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[__ Science __ ] Genesis - The Story of the Beginning

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No one can say how old the earth is as even science can not agree with its age using carbon dating. It might be possible to date the generations of man if we backtrack through all the generations ending with Adam, but that would seem impossible since all of us are that generation of Adam. We could even try to use the timeline of Noah and the flood, but yet that will bring no conclusion.

Moses give us the account of the creation events of God in Genesis Chapter 1,2 before God created man, but there is no evidence anywhere in scripture how long each day was or how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1-31; 2:1-3 we read the first six accounts of creation as each part that was finished God saw that it was good as the evening and morning only numbered the days it took, but gives no actual timing of how long each day could have been. I believe each day from evening to morning are only symbolic of a certain length of time it took God to create the heaven and the earth before He created man as God's timing is not the same as our timing, Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.

God calls each day by number from day one to day six as being evening and morning, but on the seventh day Moses only mentions the word day, but no closing of it as in evening. It was only called a day that God rested from all His work. God set it apart as a day (time) of rest as it has no ending like that of the time of rest when God ushers down the New Jerusalem, Rev 21 and we will have eternal rest without end. There is no mention of it being a Sabbath day rest, but only a day that God set apart as all His work was finished. The seventh day of rest has no ending and if we read Hebrews 4:1-10 this will teach us what Gods day of rest is for those who are faithful to Him and walk in obedience.

Strong's Exhausted Concordance;

The Hebrew word "yowm", Hebrew #3117, translated "day" in English means a day from sunrise to sunset, a space of time defined by an associated term, season, a process of time as in other times (day)

The Hebrew word "ereb", Hebrew #6153, translated "evening" also means dusk, evening, night.

The Hebrew word "boqer", Hebrew #1242, translated "morning" also means dawn, breaking of day, morning with possible metaphoric usage. Our English expression: "The dawning of an age" serves to illustrate this point. The intended meaning of the word should be determined from the context.
 

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Amen. However, In my opinion, my biblical perspective is as close I can get as humanly possible to the One Truth, which is God's Truth. That is because it's NOT my view but what is actually written in Genesis and which I have found agrees in EVERY way with EVERY discovery of Science and History.

God wrote the Bible and concealed His Truth Dan 12:4 except to those who live in an age of increased knowledge, which is Today. The mysteries of Genesis are opened by understanding this agreement. It took more than 30 years of study with the help of the Holy Spirit to understand.

The Big Bang or the beginning of our Universe was on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The first Stars appeared hundreds of millions of years later on the 4th Day. Gen 1:16 This scientific discovery is very recent.

There is no interpretation needed since Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at some 13.8 Billion years ago in man’s time, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago in Genesis, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time.

And Today, we are still in the 6th Day of Genesis. The End of the 6th Day is still in the Future. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF you can understand God's Holy Word.

Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CANNOT Lie would get all these things scientifically correct, even today.

I like the FACT that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the THIRD Day and the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT put forth their Light until the FOURTH Day Gen 1:16. Science has recently learned that it took Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the FIRST Stars put forth their Light. It's PROOF that ONLY God could have written Genesis. God and True Science Discoveries are in agreement.

In fact, we are still living at Gen 1:27 at this moment of time, since, God is still working saving sinners who call upon the name of the Lord by Creating them in the image and likeness of God, spiritually.

Genesis 1:28-31 is a prophecy which will not happen until Jesus return to this planet at Armageddon and reigns for a thousand years. The End of the 6th Day of Genesis is still future. The 7th Day of God' Rest has No Evening and No Ending = Eternity.

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Each of God's Days in Genesis 1 & 2 is NOT 24 hours since the word days comes from the Hebrew word Yowm which can mean 12 or 24 hours, a lifetime or an Eternity. A Day is a period of labor and God has ONLY 6 periods of labor when He is working to make His perfect Heaven and fill it with perfect mankind.

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day of God.... and the 6th Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5

In fact, today, God continues to create and save sinners in Christ which means that we live today at Gen 1:27 because God is STILL creating Adam (mankind) in Christ. We will NOT advance to the prophecy of Gen 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus returns.

2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest in Gen 1&2, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End.
 
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What got me questioning how old the earth is was when I read Genesis 1:28 when God told Adam and Eve to replenish the earth. In order to replenish there had to have been others here way before Adam and Eve, but for whatever reason they were wiped out.

Just my own thoughts.
 

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God wrote the Bible with His terms, not ours. In order to understand One MUST seriously study the Scripture to show himself approved unto God.

This also explains WHY God used the Hebrew Language. It shows that His blessing of this Day is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

[Isa 46:10 KJV] 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to One of the 7 Days of Creation, shown in it's Entirety.

It opens up many of the mysteries which ancient men traditional view could NOT have understood and it reveals the Literal God because it shows us the FUTURE since No man of the time could have told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day, which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this planet.

As I have posted before, Today, we are still living at Gen 1:27 as we speak, since God is still saving and creating sinners in Christ, spiritually,Today .... and the rest of Genesis 1:28-31 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.

Below, are few more Biblical Proof Texts for additional information, reference and serious study:

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

This is a Future event which will take place in the thousand year reign of Christ on this Earth. At that time, Humans will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living thing that moves on this Earth. That includes Mosquitoes, Viruses and Sharks. It is something which has NEVER taken place on Planet Earth Before, as the next verses show:

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, AND EVERY TREE, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Again this is a prophecy of the Future since we will NOT eat from the Tree of Life until All Christians are in the New Heaven. Rev 22:14

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Another future happening, except the end of this prophecy is clearly shown in:

Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

When you read the verse in context, this event happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon. Isa 11:1-7

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Finally God's Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is complete and Earth is Safe for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will the God, Who sees the end from the beginning, says, It was very good, at the end of the present 6th Day of labor in which God is making a perfect heaven and filling it with His Immortal Children, called Christians.

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Reconcile and on the seventh day God rested from,all that he made.
 

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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and All the Host of them.

The word finished in Hebrew means brought to perfection, since, that is HOW God's work always ends. Also, notice that ALL the Host of Heaven (including the last sinners to be saved) are present in Heaven at this time - since, Christians are among the Host of Heaven.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from ALL his work which he had made.

The 7th Day, the Great Sabbath, which God sanctified (set apart) is the Day of Rest when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy in the New Heaven and New Earth which will Never End because the 7th Day (Gen 2:3) has No Evening and No End.

The Sabbath was created for us - not for God himself, since, God does not grow tired or need rest. He rested (past tense) as an example to us so that we would rest on the Shabath day, just as he did, ETERNALLY.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set apart): because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Notice that this verse tells us that God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. IF God had already rested in the past from ALL of His work, it would be too late to become a Christian, since, it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to CREATE a new creature in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:26 ; Jhn 14:16.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

This also explains WHY God used the Hebrew language It shows that His blessing of the Sabbath Day is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

God Bless
 

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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and All the Host of them.

The word finished in Hebrew means brought to perfection, since, that is HOW God's work always ends. Also, notice that ALL the Host of Heaven (including the last sinners to be saved) are present in Heaven at this time - since, Christians are among the Host of Heaven.

Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from ALL his work which he had made.

The 7th Day, the Great Sabbath, which God sanctified (set apart) is the Day of Rest when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy in the New Heaven and New Earth which will Never End because the 7th Day (Gen 2:3) has No Evening and No End.

The Sabbath was created for us - not for God himself, since, God does not grow tired or need rest. He rested (past tense) as an example to us so that we would rest on the Shabath day, just as he did, ETERNALLY.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it (set apart): because that in it He had rested from ALL His work which God created and made.

Notice that this verse tells us that God rests from ALL of His work on the 7th Day. IF God had already rested in the past from ALL of His work, it would be too late to become a Christian, since, it takes the AGREEMENT of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit to CREATE a new creature in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:26 ; Jhn 14:16.

Continue to study and realize that I am edifying The Great Sabbath, the 7th Day, when ALL Christians will cease from our labor on Earth and we will join Jesus for the Age of Joy which will never end because the 7th Day has no evening and no end.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

This also explains WHY God used the Hebrew language It shows that His blessing of the Sabbath Day is FUTURE, since it is written in Hebrew ImPerfect Tense, which means that the action is not yet complete.

God Bless
Even the reformed will disagree.

The blessings to obey the Shabbat were then.trust in,God ,eat the mannah,and rest ,from work ,its symbolic of God working created all that he choose then desire.

You imply God wanted to create ,sin,he made to fall,yes He foreknew it but he allows

God's restoration to eden ,doesn't include eating meat.

@stovebolts,rashi or Adam,Clarke or ramban ?
 

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Everything in,the Torah is shadows .I,have never heard God calling His creation imperfect ,less then good before the fall.

Death,suffering ,if that was Good ,Good wouldn't end it
 

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According to the book of Genesis, God created the world and all this is within it in six days. Then He declared it all to be very good, Genesis 1:31. The creator rested on the seventh day, Genesis 2:1-3.

While there were other creation stories among the pagan nations of the ancient world the Biblical account is unique in that God existed before creation and called the physical world into being from nothing, Genesis 1:1, 2; John 1:2,3. These pagan nations, particularly the Babylonians, believed the material universe was eternal and that it brought their gods into being. But, Genesis describes a God who is superior to the physical world.

God began organizing a shapeless barren earth, Genesis 1:2 providing light, 1:3-5, and separating the land from the water, 1:6-10. The creation of plant and animal life followed, including creatures of the sea, land and air, 1:11-25. Man and woman were created on the sixth day, 1:26-28, before the creator's Sabbath rest, 2:1-3.

Scholars disagree about the length of the creation days. Some believe these were actual 24 hour days, while others believe they were periods undermined length. Regardless of the length of these days, the Biblical writer is declaring that God created the world in orderly fashion as part of a master plan. The world did not just evolve on its own or by accident.

The "gap" theory, advanced to reconcile the Biblical account of creation with geology, holds that creation in Genesis 1:1 was followed by a catastrophe, 1:2, then succeeded by God's re-creation or reshaping of the physical world, 1:3-31. But, this theory reduces God to a weak being with little control over His own creation. The powerful God who created the world also presides over its destiny.

Man and woman are the crowning achievements of God's creative work, Psalms 8:5. As free moral beings who bear the image of God, they were assigned dominion over the natural worlds, Genesis 1:27, 28. They alone among the living creatures of the world are equipped for fellowship with their Creator.

God's seventh day rest came when he rested after He saw that everything was good that He created. Our seventh day rest will come when the seventh trumpet is sounded and Christ returns to make an end of all abominations here on earth while we are gathered up to Him. Then once again this present earth and heaven will be made new again and the New Jerusalem will be ushered down and out seventh day of rest begins, Rev 21:1-7.
 

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Even the reformed will disagree.

The blessings to obey the Shabbat were then.trust in,God ,eat the mannah,and rest ,from work ,its symbolic of God working created all that he choose then desire.

You imply God wanted to create ,sin,he made to fall,yes He foreknew it but he allows

God's restoration to eden ,doesn't include eating meat.

@stovebolts,rashi or Adam,Clarke or ramban ?
No one ever ate meat until the days of Noah after the flood when God gave to man to eat of it. But also gave instruction of how to eat that which He permitted.

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. 3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
 

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Also, notice that ALL the Host of Heaven (including the last sinners to be saved) are present in Heaven at this time - since, Christians are among the Host of Heaven.
The host of heaven that God created in the beginning are the host of angels that will return with Him on the last day, Rev 19:14, as the first man Adam was formed from the dust of the ground and then did God breath life into him, making Adam a living soul. Then was Eve formed from the rib of Adam. From Eve's first conception God formed man within the womb, Isaiah 44:24, and when the child was born, God breathed the breath of life in him.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 3:19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

No one that has ever died has gone up to heaven as it is only our breath/spirit that returns back to God who gave it. It is reserved with God unto the day of judgement when the resurrection comes in the last day, John 5:28, 29.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 

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Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Heb- Air) and the Earth (Heb- Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form (Dust), and void; and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the Deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the Waters.

Based on the Scripture above, NO planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-2.


What existed was earth/ground without form (Dust) and void (Empty), which was used to make Adam's firmament of heaven on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day.

Trying to force the words to mean that God made the first Earth in Gen 1:1 is refuted by Gen 1:10 and Gen 2:4 which BOTH show the formation of the first Earth on the 3rd Day.

Teaching that God FAILED in His first attempt to make a Physical World shows a complete misunderstanding of our God.


God doesn't FAIL and He wouldn't be God if He did. He made Heaven (Air), Earth (Dust), and Water, BEFORE the first Day to be used by Jesus to form or shape everything which exists and His Creation will be brought to perfection at the end of Genesis Chapter 1 - showing that God does NOT make mistakes, and He certainly doesn't hide His "supposed" mistakes from us. No one Scripture is of any private interpretation. 2Pe 1:20

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There is no such thing as Hebrew - air or Hebrew-ground. In the beginning there were no Hebrews or Gentiles, but only those who God created, until the days of Abraham who was the first to be called a Hebrew being the first Hebrew patriarch, Genesis 14:13.

The word "Hebrew" in the Hebrew language is עִבְרִי "Ivrie" which means to cross over from the other side, or pass through. It's better defined in Joshua 24:3-15. The Hebrew alphabet had no vowels so "Ivrie" would be the English spelling.

We see this in Abraham being born in a pagan family and also helping to build the Tower of Babel where God confused the languages. Abraham first began to speak in the Hebrew language during this time as he crossed over from the paganism lifestyle of his culture and started seeking out the true God of all creation.

There are three heavens:
First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

CREATION:
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion

DESTRUCTION:
Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

NEW HEAVENS and NEW EARTH
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 

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Strong's gives us the various usage of the words used in Scripture however, which usage of these words used is the view of mere mortal men. Some, who study these words, give more credence to man's views than God's views.

A good example is that the word heaven can be used to mean air, heaven/universe, or the sky.

Transliteration
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shä·mah'·yim heaven (398x), air (21x), astrologers (with H1895) (1x
שָׁמַיִם shâmayim, shaw-mah'-yim; dual of an unused singular שָׁמֶה shâmeh; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):—air, × astrologer, heaven(-s).

Beware those who try to force their extreme biased view into the account while refusing to acknowledge whether or not there’s another meaning of the usage “word” that clearly agrees with the full context of the text of the cited Scripture.

They do NOT understand that Genesis agrees in EVERY way with EVERY other discovered Truth so they invent their own Spirit-free view. This view does NOT agree with either Scripture, Science nor History so they claim there is one Truth for the Bible and another for scientists and historians.

This is FALSE since God's Truth MUST agree with EVERY other discovered Truth or you have the WRONG interpretation of Scripture since there is ONLY One Truth and God's Truth ALWAYS agrees with every other discovered Truth.
There is NOT a single planet existed BEFORE the first Day, Gen 1:1-5 What existed was earth/ground without form and void (Dust), which was used to make Adam's firmament on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8 and Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:10

Again, Gen 1:1-2 In the beginning God Created the heaven (Hebrew - Air) and the Earth (Hebrew -Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

In fact, God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Again, here's what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries two thousand years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning - but without form and void. God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, He would have to send his Son into our physical world to give light/life and to mold the FORMLESS Earth / Ground (Dust)... and destroy the darkness/death which was upon everything God had created APART from his invisible spiritual realm.

The emergence of Light was when YHWH, the Son of God, came forth or begotten from the invisible Spirit of God into the physical world when He commanded and spoke the first Word in the beginning and said... Let there be light; and there was light. (Gen 1:3) before anything is made that was made.... before the world was.

WHERE did this invisible energy come from. Based on the cited Scripture, below, is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Then, on the 3rd Day, YHWH or Jesus, the Son of God, took some of this physical matters - air, dust, and water - and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos. That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes our worlds.

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You said there is NOT a single planet existed BEFORE the first Day and used Genesis 1:1-5 for your support for this. Vs. 1 says heaven and earth, not earth and then the heaven. The earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Deep could mean the craters within the earth. God moved on the face of the waters. Water comes from the atmosphere of the first heaven. Light comes from the second heaven and God commands all He creates from the third heaven.

Look at vs. 6-8 and the word firmament. This is speaking of the first heaven (atmosphere) that surrounds the earth from where the water and the light comes from.

Let's put the three heavens I showed you in perspective according to the earth being created as there is nowhere in scripture that says earth was created before any other plant. Moses is only writing about the earth within our relationship to it.

Starting with the third heaven where God has always been with no beginning and no end.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

The third heaven had to exist before anything else. Now let's look at the second heaven.

Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).
The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.

This heaven is above the earth's atmosphere where all the other planets are found.

Now the first heaven that surrounds the earth

First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.

Here is God's creation:

CREATION:
Isa 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Jer 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion
 

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seve You said there is NOT a single planet existed BEFORE the first Day and used Genesis 1:1-5 for your support for this. Vs. 1 says heaven and earth, not earth and then the heaven. The earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Deep could mean the craters within the earth. God moved on the face of the waters. Water comes from the atmosphere of the first heaven. Light comes from the second heaven and God commands all He creates from the third heaven.

Look at vs. 6-8 and the word firmament. This is speaking of the first heaven (atmosphere) that surrounds the earth from where the water and the light comes from.

Let's put the three heavens I showed you in perspective according to the earth being created as there is nowhere in scripture that says earth was created before any other plant. Moses is only writing about the earth within our relationship to it.

Starting with the third heaven where God has always been with no beginning and no end.

Third Heaven - This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

The third heaven had to exist before anything else. Now let's look at the second heaven.
I am sorry to inform you my friend BUT your UNDERSTANDING of the 3RD HEAVEN where you think and believe God resides is CONVOLUTED and based only on your own religious speculation w/c is certainly NOT being alluded to or spoken in Genesis 1:1-5.

Why? Simply because this allege “3rd Heaven” where you think the Invisible Almighty God Father resides - is a Physical Heaven like ours and basically flawed understanding which is out of context as far as the BEGINNING of the CREATION of our PHYSICAL Worlds is concerned - Gen 1:1-5.

In fact, I am sure that you will agree with me that the Kingdom of God where the Invisible Almighty God Father resides is a Holy place and will NOT allow any UNCLEAN SPIRIT inside this Holy place including flesh and blood, correct?

Read the entire context of the only "3rd Heaven" mentioned in the Scripture - 2Co 12:2 where Apostle Paul was taken up to meet Jesus…

2Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
v3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
v4 How that he was caught up into paradise,
and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
v5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
v6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
v7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations,
THERE was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Now, do you see how detrimental the negative implication of what you want us to accept regarding your belief of the 3rd Heaven to be where God resides -- having UNCLEAN SPIRIT INSIDE the Kingdom of God, according to your view and doctrinal assumption? Come on man. Try Again.

Therefore, the rest of your allege refutation or reasoning is being squash simply because it is irrelevant; out of context and convoluted to the actual issue at hand which is PHYSICAL HEAVEN - Gen 1:1-5.

God Bless
 
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If you would have taken the time to study the scriptures I gave you, you would have read that the third heaven is not a physical heaven like that of the first and second heaven. Of course the Kingdom of God within His Spiritual realm is a holy place and no man has ever entered into the third heaven, John 3:13. One can be caught up in the Spirit, like many of us have, but yet remain here on earth just like that of Paul and also John in Revelations.

Not to many teach about the three heavens and I stumbled on this many years ago when I was studying Genesis and God's creation. All is found in scriptures that I posted as full context is the complete scriptures between Genesis and Revelations. All of creation was done within the Spiritual realm of God who in the beginning spoke all into existence.

Never refute something you have never studied as I am sure this is the first time you have ever heard of three heavens and this has everything to do with Genesis 1:1.
 

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If you would have taken the time to study the scriptures I gave you, you would have read that the third heaven is not a physical heaven like that of the first and second heaven. Of course the Kingdom of God within His Spiritual realm is a holy place and no man has ever entered into the third heaven, John 3:13. One can be caught up in the Spirit, like many of us have, but yet remain here on earth just like that of Paul and also John in Revelations.

Not to many teach about the three heavens and I stumbled on this many years ago when I was studying Genesis and God's creation. All is found in scriptures that I posted as full context is the complete scriptures between Genesis and Revelations. All of creation was done within the Spiritual realm of God who in the beginning spoke all into existence.

Never refute something you have never studied as I am sure this is the first time you have ever heard of three heavens and this has everything to do with Genesis 1:1.
Believe me, I have studied the issue at hand and know exactly what you were saying and that is why I corrected your misunderstanding and confusion of the Scripture.

In fact, your new post is not exactly the one you cited and posted before. You claimed that God dwells on the Third Heaven which I replied and cited 2Co 12:2-7 contrary to your doctrinal assumption... Why? Simply because the Third Heaven you mentioned is also a PHYSICAL HEAVEN...having unclean spirits in the premises.

In other words, your doctrinal assumption before is that the Third Heaven is where God dwells which is not scriptural. Do you agree?

If not then show me where can you find in the Scripture that the Invisible Almighty God Father dwells on the third heaven?

See your own quote below...


Starting with the third heaven where God has always been with no beginning and no end.

Third Heaven -
This is where God, Jesus and the holy angels dwell plus the very breath of just men dwell as when we die it is that breath that returns back to God. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God (John 3:13).

The third heaven had to exist before anything else. Now let's look at the second heaven.
Below tells us where the Invisible Almighty God dwells, just so you know:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

God Bless
 
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Please show me the scripture where it says the third heaven is a physical place.
 

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Please show me the scripture where it says the third heaven is a physical place.
Sure, read below:

[Rev 21:1-2 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. v2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God Bless
 
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