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You can believe whatever you want my friend.

The fact is, I made my assertions on this thread supported by the Scripture, Science and History. Unless you can refute what I have posted and claimed using the same methodology, my post stands on its own!
You also can believe what you want....
but Hebrews 11:3 means worlds, the universe,,,,,not multiverse.

If you claim it means multiverse,,,,you'd have to show how you came to that conclusion.
Otherwise, your opinion is worthless since Christian theology does not agree with you.

2. by metonymy of the container for the contained, οἱ αἰῶνες denotes the worlds, the universe, i. e. the aggregate of things contained in time (on the plural cf. Winers Grammar, 176 (166); Buttmann, 24 (21)): Hebrews 1:2; Hebrews 11:3; and (?) 1 Timothy 1:17; (Revelation 15:3

(in some passages, world denotes a time period)
 

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I am not sure if I read your post correctly. Pardon me, my friend. I should rather say...

They can believe whatever they wanted to my friend. I am not here to convince them or anybody. Just posting what I believe to be true for discussion.

The fact is, I made my assertions on this thread supported by the Scripture, Science and History, if needed be. Unless they can refute what I have posted and claimed using the same methodology, I thought that my posts can stand on its own!

God Bless
By THEY I meant those that wrote the scriptures to which you are referring.
The writers of the O.T. and the N.T. DID NOT KNOW about any such thing called a multiverse.

To this day, the idea is not accepted by most scientists and is just an idea.
 

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By THEY I meant those that wrote the scriptures to which you are referring.
The writers of the O.T. and the N.T. DID NOT KNOW about any such thing called a multiverse.

To this day, the idea is not accepted by most scientists and is just an idea.
That's exactly the point that you are missing, my friend. No, it is not just an idea. As I have posted before, God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 3 universes as far as we (humans) are concerned. Today's physics has confirmed that it's possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to prove those equations. Physicists have confirmed through their String Theory that it is possible that we live in a Multiverse with some 11 Universes.

The Universes are within the more massive Multiverse which means that the Gravity of the Multiverse is pulling from ALL directions. Just wait until the other US or Europeans launch the Satellites which will confirm this, sometime in the coming years.


The above is an old video from Michio Kaku which explains HOW the Satellites will confirm what I have told you BEFORE it is confirmed. NASA was supposed to launch these Satellites but somehow, some politicians were able to cut the funding. When it happens, you can tell everyone a Creationist read about this in the Bible. It's PROOF of God, since NO man knows this even today.

You just have to be patient since our science is a slow moving vehicle when it comes to proving God's work of creation.

Again, No Ancient Men nor Moses - who many believe to be the author of the Book of Genesis - could have known this scientific facts and theories. Only God who sees the end from the beginning could have known these who authored the Book of Genesis that we are now beginning to understand.

Our God is an Awesome God.
 
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You also can believe what you want....
but Hebrews 11:3 means worlds, the universe,,,,,not multiverse.

If you claim it means multiverse,,,,you'd have to show how you came to that conclusion.
Otherwise, your opinion is worthless since Christian theology does not agree with you.

2. by metonymy of the container for the contained, οἱ αἰῶνες denotes the worlds, the universe, i. e. the aggregate of things contained in time (on the plural cf. Winers Grammar, 176 (166); Buttmann, 24 (21)): Hebrews 1:2; Hebrews 11:3; and (?) 1 Timothy 1:17; (Revelation 15:3

(in some passages, world denotes a time period)
It does not matter to me whether other Christians agree with me or not. What matter is... if they can directly prove my assertion and claimed to be wrong - contrary to what I have posted using the Scripture, Science or History. It's an open challenge.

Perhaps, you missed reading my previous article that I posted before. Let me cut and paste for your convenience and hopefully for your understanding.

Read below:

Some extreme loyalist of the Ancient Traditional View of the Scripture spend their time trying to force their religious position to agree with the Scripture. The FACT is that the word heaven (Heb - shamayim) is used to indicate air (literally speaking) and sky as well as the heaven/firmament where Jesus is today, physically.

However, those extreme believers who rely on studying these ancient words REFUSE to accept the fact that these words have more than one meaning. However, those who pray for more wisdom and understanding and have been Born Again Spiritually are the ones that can only possibly understand the actual intended meaning of the words and which definition the Holy Spirit used when He authored Genesis from within the men who penned them. 1Co 2:14

Strong's gives us the various usage of the words used in Scripture however, which usage of these words used is the view of mere mortal men. Some, who study these words, give more credence to man's views than God's views.

A good example is that the word heaven can be used to mean air, heaven/universe, or the sky.

Transliteration
shamayim
Pronunciation
shä·mah'·yim heaven (398x), air (21x), astrologers (with H1895) (1x
שָׁמַיִם shâmayim, shaw-mah'-yim; dual of an unused singular שָׁמֶה shâmeh; from an unused root meaning to be lofty; the sky (as aloft; the dual perhaps alluding to the visible arch in which the clouds move, as well as to the higher ether where the celestial bodies revolve):—air, × astrologer, heaven(-s).

Beware those who try to force their extreme biased view into the account while refusing to acknowledge whether or not there’s another meaning of the usage “word” that clearly agrees with the full context of the text of the cited Scripture.

They do NOT understand that Genesis agrees in EVERY way with EVERY other discovered Truth so they invent their own Spirit-free view. This view does NOT agree with either Scripture, Science nor History so they claim there is one Truth for the Bible and another for scientists and historians.

This is FALSE since God's Truth MUST agree with EVERY other discovered Truth or you have the WRONG interpretation of Scripture since there is ONLY One Truth and God's Truth ALWAYS agrees with every other discovered Truth.

God Bless
 
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That's exactly the point that you are missing, my friend. No, it is not just an idea. As I have posted before, God tells us we live in a Multiverse, composed of at least 3 universes as far as we (humans) are concerned. Today's physics has confirmed that it's possible and currently scientists from all over the world are seeking to prove those equations. Physicists have confirmed through their String Theory that it is possible that we live in a Multiverse with some 11 Universes.

The Universes are within the more massive Multiverse which means that the Gravity of the Multiverse is pulling from ALL directions. Just wait until the other US or Europeans launch the Satellites which will confirm this, sometime in the coming years.


The above is an old video from Michio Kaku which explains HOW the Satellites will confirm what I have told you BEFORE it is confirmed. NASA was supposed to launch these Satellites but somehow, some politicians were able to cut the funding. When it happens, you can tell everyone a Creationist read about this in the Bible. It's PROOF of God, since NO man knows this even today.

You just have to be patient since our science is a slow moving vehicle when it comes to proving God's work of creation.

Again, No Ancient Men nor Moses - who many believe to be the author of the Book of Genesis - could have known this scientific facts and theories. Only God who sees the end from the beginning could have known these who authored the Book of Genesis that we are now beginning to understand.

Our God is an Awesome God.
You said it's POSSIBLE.
This I can agree with....
however, I still don't see this in the bible....
Especially not in Hebrews 11:3....
and most scientists are abandoning this old idea.

Anyway, what would it show to you?
Why is it important to you?

I think the bible has validated enough scientific discoveries to
affirm its inspiration.
 

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It does not matter to me whether other Christians agree with me or not. What matter is... if they can directly prove my assertion and claimed to be wrong - contrary to what I have posted using the Scripture, Science or History. It's an open challenge.

Perhaps, you missed reading my previous article that I posted before. Let me cut and paste for your convenience and hopefully for your understanding.

Read below:
I agree with the above.
I think I said this in my post just before this one.

But YOU have to prove your assertions, others do not have to prove them for you.
I gave you the reason I don't accept your definition of WORLDS...but you have not given
me any support for your definiton of worlds in Hebrews 11:3.

I DO believe that the bible has been correct in explaining what science is finding out...
the big bang would be the most basic....This is in Genesis...LET THERE BE LIGHT....the beginning.
 

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I agree with the above.
I think I said this in my post just before this one.

But YOU have to prove your assertions, others do not have to prove them for you.
I gave you the reason I don't accept your definition of WORLDS...but you have not given
me any support for your definiton of worlds in Hebrews 11:3.

I DO believe that the bible has been correct in explaining what science is finding out...
the big bang would be the most basic....This is in Genesis...LET THERE BE LIGHT....the beginning.
WRONG. I don't have to prove anything to you! As I have said, you can believe whatever you want to... for all I care.

Now, If my post bothers you that much, then, it your responsibility to prove me wrong - contrary to the context of what I have posted directly, claimed and asserted by using the Scripture. Can you? I don't think so.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

It's a Multiverse Alright.
 
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WRONG. I don't have to prove anything to you! As I have said, you can believe whatever you want to... for all I care.

Now, If my post bothers you that much, then, it your responsibility to prove me wrong - contrary to the context of what I have posted directly, claimed and asserted by using the Scripture. Can you? I don't think so.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

It's a Multiverse Alright.
Whateva.....
 

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Can you refute the Scientific Fact that everything physical consists of air, dust, and water?


Carbon dioxide, for example, contains none of those. Neither does Bromine. Nor does absolute ethanol. Nor does lead. Among many, many others.
 

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Can you refute the Scientific Fact that everything physical consists of air (gas), dust (solid), and water (liquid)? Living creatures also have the Fire of Life added by Jesus as John 1:4 tells us. Does this give you a reason to see that God created the Creation Elements of the air, dust, and water for Jesus to shape or mold into Adam's Earth on the Third Day?
Carbon dioxide, for example, contains none of those. Neither does Bromine. Nor does absolute ethanol. Nor does lead. Among many, many others.
Elements can be classified based on their physical states (States of Matter) e.g. gas, solid or liquid. This element is a liquid at room temperature.. The halogens exist, at room temperature, in all three states of matter - Gases such as Fluorine & Chlorine, Solids such as Iodine and Astatine and Liquid as in Bromine.

Solid, liquids, and gases: Example: Water can exist in several states, including ice (solid), water (liquid), and water vapor (gas).

The carbon dioxide undergoes a phase transition, from one state of matter to another, when it is turned into dry ice. This process is called deposition, and refers to a gas transforms into a solid.

Physical and chemical properties. Free bromine is a reddish brown liquid with an appreciable vapour pressure at room temperature. Bromine vapour is amber in colour. Bromine has a pungent odour and is irritating to the skin, eyes, and respiratory system.

Ethanol is a volatile, colorless liquid that has a slight odor. It burns with a smokeless blue flame that is not always visible in normal light. The physical properties of ethanol stem primarily from the presence of its hydroxyl group and the shortness of its carbon chain.

What state of matter is for lead? Answer: Lead is solid at room temperature.

Try Again?
 
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So we have plasma, and other states of matter as well.

None of this fits your earth/air/water model.
 

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So we have plasma, and other states of matter as well.

None of this fits your earth/air/water model.
Read again... Air (gas), Earth (solid) and Water (liquid)...

"Plasma (physics) Plasma (from Ancient Greek πλάσμα, meaning 'moldable substance') is one of the four fundamental states of matter, and was first described by chemist Irving Langmuir in the 1920s. It consists of a gas of ions, atoms which have some of their orbital electrons removed, and free electrons"

Therefore, EVERYTHING Physical is composed of these matter, correct?
 
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Therefore, EVERYTHING Physical is composed of these matter, correct?
No. There is at least one more state of matter. Maybe more, depending on your definition.
 

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No. There is at least one more state of matter. Maybe more, depending on your definition.
Perhaps, you also missed reading my OP below... It might shade some LIGHT to your misconception of my post and hopefully let you understand where I stand with regards to the continuing discussion.

Once again, Jesus IS the LIGHT of the first Day. Gen 1:3 as He will also be the one to provide the light in the New heaven and New Earth in the end. Amen?

Rev. 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

The Son of God is the same Yesterday, Today, and Forever. His glory is Brighter than the Noon Day Sun - Act 26:12-15

See below...

Energy doesn't appear physically except when it's changed into physical matter. It took scientists thousands of years before Albert Einstein confirmed God's Holy Word with his theory of relativity.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the Worlds (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


Einstein learned the SAME thing. He learned that matter and energy were the same. In order to make matter, it takes energy to produce matter in physical form. Then, you will have things which are seen, but made from things which do not appear to the eye.

WHERE did the energy to make two or more Universes come from, you might ask. Below is the answer for it tells us where God lives:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the LIGHT which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Can any one here who believe that Genesis is only figurative and not LITERAL tells us HOW Moses or other ancient men, who lived thousands of years before science, authored the the Book of Genesis... and knew the theory of relativity?

Of course not. It took men thousands of years before Albert Einstein discovered that Scientific Fact of Theory of Relativity. It's proof of our God……

Our God is an Awesome God.
Thus, Genesis 1:1 begins by telling us that the 3 elements created BEFORE the first Day - It was Air, Dust, and Water. YHWH, the Son of God, took some of the air, dust, and water and made the firmament of heaven of Adam's World on the 2nd Day.

At the beginning of the 3rd Day, YHWH or Jesus took these three matters and changed it again into energy by causing a Singularity. Exactly as YHWH or Jesus knew it would, matter inflated from the Black hole made by the first of the first Huge Stars to implode and become a Singularity which produced other Universes.Millions of years later, the Universe had cooled enough to become visible.
 
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