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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
I bet you have a point. :)
 
Jesus words are truth but I cannot live up to them.
Question to you Brother kiwidan, what do you think of the following instruction? Jesus did not tell the young man below that he hadn’t kept all the law. Have you any idea why Jesus told the woman to sin no more in Jn 8:1 if mankind can't do it?

Mat 19:17 . . . there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
What IS the law??
Is it the 10 commandments? (which, of course are covered by Jesus' Two Great Commandments)

Is the the entire law in the Torah?

I've come to learn that different persons understand the Law to be different.
 
I am trying so hard to keep from saying too much. (Some of which I am no authority on).

Do we need to establish covenant theology before we do the Law?

Redneck
eddif
 
I am trying so hard to keep from saying too much. (Some of which I am no authority on).

Do we need to establish covenant theology before we do the Law?

Redneck
eddif
Start a thread on covenant theology?
It would be good.
 
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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW?

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Here is how the Sabbath was kept according to the law of Moses.

14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15

Before the law was added, the Sabbath was simply a day of rest for man to rest from his work.


JLB
 
I am trying so hard to keep from saying too much. (Some of which I am no authority on).

Do we need to establish covenant theology before we do the Law?

Redneck
eddif

The Abrahamic Covenant was established, then later the law was added until the Messiah.

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:19

Once the Messiah came, the law of Moses was abolished in His flesh, having been nailed to the cross and taken out of the way.

having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
Ephesians 2:15

Again

having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Colossians 2:14

Now the Sabbath has returned to simply being a day of rest and points us to the fulfillment when we will reign with Him on Earth for a thosound years, which is the seventh prophetic day, when all our enemies will have been removed.


JLB
 
What IS the law??
Is it the 10 commandments? (which, of course are covered by Jesus' Two Great Commandments)
Is the the entire law in the Torah?
Dear sister, for the moment I'll just leave a couple sources explaining some of this to us. If there are still questions please ask. I too am not an expert on the entirety of the law. I'll also refer you to these following scriptures.
Gen 26:5 . . . Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
Num 36:13 These are the commandments and the judgments, which the LORD commanded by the hand of Moses unto the children of Israel in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho.

There were ten commandments, and many ordinances of that law even governing the manner in which a heifer was to be sacrificed. This following list may be of help to you.
http://www.aish.com/h/sh/se/48945081.html

Another source is Got Questions.
What is the difference between laws, commands, commandments, decrees, and statutes?
https://www.gotquestions.org/laws-commands-decrees-statutes.html
 
Do we need to establish covenant theology before we do the Law?
Morning Brother eddif. To me this is taking into consideration those things which has become known as Dispensations. In other words, to me God never gave me the command in Gen 2:16 to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Another can be whether God deals with the Church in the same way He will when Israel enters the millennial kingdom. :shrug
 
Now the Sabbath has returned to simply being a day of rest and points us to the fulfillment when we will reign with Him on Earth for a thousand years, which is the seventh prophetic day, when all our enemies will have been removed.
Hi Brother JLB, and thanks for your input. My understanding of the reply you've made is that you too are referring to a dispensational day of a thousand year rest. Are you agreeing then that we're not under the ten commandments concerning the Sabbath? Thanks.
 
I am trying so hard to keep from saying too much. (Some of which I am no authority on).

Do we need to establish covenant theology before we do the Law?

Redneck
eddif

What a great question. The short answer is, yes, for we need to understand covenant. The long answer is yes/no, for the reasons that JLB put down!

I'd bet money that the Sabbath is observed during the Millennium and afterwards, in heaven (the New Jerusalem).
 
I'd bet money that the Sabbath is observed during the Millennium and afterwards, in heaven (the New Jerusalem).
Brother Edward!!!
There is scripture referring to God's rule during the millennial kingdom, and as always it will be His word, and that I believe to be the "Rod of Iron" which includes all the law we read of in Rev 19:15. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW
? {highlighting mine}

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Emphatically, no! When I try to get into a conversation on the subject people will, quite intentionally, go livid, making any intelligent exchange with them impossible. This, very important facet of our faith is critical, if we want to appear at the Bema Seat instead of the Great White Throne Judgment. I saw on these forums proclaim them to be one and the same. there is so much chopping of the Word that it suprizes me to no end that I can still walk into a store and buy a copy without Black Marketing.

The Chosen People of God, the most devoted of them could not keep the Law, and if we think we are better than then... they are beyond any Truck Driver s help. The Law, contained in the first five books of the Bible is useful in a number of ways.

The first I always see is the Ten Commandments are the perfect Word Picture of the essence of the Messiah, the example of what we hope to see grow within ourselves. This the picture we must strive to grow into. You listed the important scriptures to me on this teaching, so I'll just pour my thoughts our on the subject.

We will not become sinless beforewerecieve
 
We will not become sinless before we receive
Dear Brother th1b.taylor, thanks and that is one of the things I hope to clarify in this thread.
What is the law referred to in 2Co 3:7 as the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones? None but Jesus ever satisfied that so that we might have eternal life through believing on Him.

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Brother, I know from your testimony that you are born of God. How is it said then in 1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; is this not the new nature of Christ you received the moment you called upon the name of the Lord? Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
:woot2
 
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Joh 8:11 . . . go, and sin no more.
DO WE KEEP THE LAW
? {highlighting mine}

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
You who keep the law, is the Sabbath a part of it? (Oh but I don't kill anyone)

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Emphatically, no! When I try to get into a conversation on the subject people will, quite intentionally, go livid, making any intelligent exchange with them impossible. This, very important facet of our faith is critical, if we want to appear at the Bema Seat instead of the Great White Throne Judgment. I saw on these forums proclaim them to be one and the same. there is so much chopping of the Word that it suprizes me to no end that I can still walk into a store and buy a copy without Black Marketing.

The Chosen People of God, the most devoted of them could not keep the Law, and if we think we are better than then... they are beyond any Truck Driver s help. The Law, contained in the first five books of the Bible is useful in a number of ways.

The first I always see is the Ten Commandments are the perfect Word Picture of the essence of the Messiah, the example of what hopes to see grow within ourselves. and I find that without viewable growth there in no love for the Master.

When I let God, four, oft, forgotten words of the scriptures are, perhaps the least used tool in the Christian's Toolbox, ¨Psalm46:10, Let God.¨ As a child of God we are responsible to keep the connection open, all of the time.

If we choose otherwise, even if saved,we loose.
 
Dear Brother th1b.taylor, thanks and that is one of the things I hope to clarify in this thread.
What is the law referred to in 2Co 3:7 as the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones? None but Jesus ever satisfied that so that we might have eternal life through believing on Him.

2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Brother, I know from your testimony that you are born of God. How is it said then in 1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; is this not the new nature of Christ you received the moment you called upon the name of the Lord? Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
:woot2
i messed up, be right back with you
 
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