God isn’t finished with Israel yet!

[reba]

ok then I will bite. I am of isreal, a jew and I can also point you to men who know their tribe. a levite, so he being saved like me isn't part of isreal?in jewish thought theres not a big separation of spiritual and physical. there is an isreal in heaven,. woops. I wish these futurists would read the Talmud see where it does line up.even jews don't think the earth and the eretz isreal will be forever
.by this I mean that theres no concept of redeemed men on the earth without the eternality with YHWH.all jews in the end of the earth will live in heaven forever with YHWH.

Jason is your salvation by the blood of your parents? Do you believe you can deny Christ and then because you have Jewish, Hebrew, or Israeli blood you will be saved under the guise of ALL ISRAEL? We both know you know better...

 

[jasoncran]

no, of course not.

 

[Grappler]

Actually Paul in 1 Corinthians 10.32 acknowledges the existence of Jew, Gentile and church of God as three distinct entities. I understand the grating in of Israel spoken of in the middle chapters of Romans as referring to events after the Rapture.

Why wouldn't Paul acknowledge Jews or Gentiles or the children of God?? There are still Jews walking the Earth today...they are destined for judgment and the lake of fire unless they repent and accept Jesus but they still exist. With all due respect you have made some assumptions that are in error #1 I have never seen the word rapture in my bible....I have seen the words gathering and being caught up...is this what you mean by Rapture? #2 What scripture do you use to support your belief that the "grafting" in of Gentiles is some kind of future event after this Rapture that is not even mentioned in scripture?

 

[Grappler]

sigh I will bite. why then do most Jews that I know that are saved never mention the idea of isreal's return that lead them to believe in God?
How come most jews that I know never mentioned the prophecy of any return is what got them saved. I know a lot and some of them are futurists and when they give their story its I was a mess or I realized I was a sinner and repented.

God has no use for isreal to lead the world to him. that is the Holy spirits job via the church. a saved Hebrew is part of the church not isreal. we are in Christ not isreal.its One faith, one body and one baptism. a saved Jew whether or not and contrary to messianic jews(which are mostly gentiles ) teaching cant be fully under the law. they cant offer sin offerings per the old way and expect god to honor it. he did away with that in ad 70 and really even earlier the cross. if the blood of animals cleanses again that makes God cruel and a liar for telling the world to believe in the Son whom died for them sinners only to then change his mind.

Bravo!

 

[Grappler]

the idea of house their budy. when we get saved. we through our faithfulness if we are true to god will be used by God to reach the lost in our family. that is what is meant by that. its. so the GOD of the Torah didn't care for poor gentiles in isreal? he didn't care to save them assyrians via Jonah? if you believe not then why do you bother with God. God came to redeem gentiles and was going to use isreal first but the Hebrew was taught first by a gentile! even my dad says this and he doesn't believe. I can show you where even in the Talmud it says that.

Zionism has no place in the chuch when it comes to a lens to view the bible. sorry call me anti-Semite

You are absolutely correct Zionism has no place among Christians. What i find amusing about these Christians who support that modern state that calls itself Israel in the Middle East is that there are Orthodox Jews who reject it and consider it evil...and they are not even Christians!lol As children of God we are part of the true Israel and should not support that counerfeit modern state of Israel...the occultic hexagram that is on their flag should tell us who the real power is behind that nation.

 

[reba]

Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Grappler]

Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

I like that verse and it is from my favorite book of the bible. We see in John 10:16 Jesus speaking symbolically using sheep. There is only one family of God...there is only one Israel. The other sheep that Jesus spoke of was people like me...a Gentile and thanks to his love for me, i have been "grafted" into the true Israel...the family of God.

 

[Skrumpelnubb]

You are absolutely correct Zionism has no place among Christians. What i find amusing about these Christians who support that modern state that calls itself Israel in the Middle East is that there are Orthodox Jews who reject it and consider it evil...and they are not even Christians!lol As children of God we are part of the true Israel and should not support that counerfeit modern state of Israel...the occultic hexagram that is on their flag should tell us who the real power is behind that nation.

Agree! That entity calling herself by the name of God's people still thinks in her heart that she is a queen and not a widow: Rev. 18:7 Truth is she was the one that didn't remained in the old covenant Matt. 21:43 Hebrews 8:8 Hebrews 8:9 Jesus is the fulfillement of the prophecies regarding Israel Eph. 1:10 Israel is the name of God's people that now applies to the christans only, who through faith in Jesus have recieved the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 8:10 Rom 2:29 We christians who are called and chosen are the only heirs to the promise made to Abraham Acts 3:25. Jesus states: Matt. 3:9 There's no way to salvation except through Jesus John 14:6

Defenders of the state of Israel and the messianic christians may hate me for saying this? They may think I'm comitting blasphemy now?

But to bless the true Israel, a.k.a. the christians, truly brings blessing back. Not so defending the state of Israel who really is'nt a friend of God.

 

[jasoncran]

You are absolutely correct Zionism has no place among Christians. What i find amusing about these Christians who support that modern state that calls itself Israel in the Middle East is that there are Orthodox Jews who reject it and consider it evil...and they are not even Christians!lol As children of God we are part of the true Israel and should not support that counerfeit modern state of Israel...the occultic hexagram that is on their flag should tell us who the real power is behind that nation.

hexagram? that is hardly true. I know a former occultist that explained the six side symbols and its a three d image that is often draw in 2d. its two pyramids , not a six sided star.sorry you are wrong.

the jewish state is needed simply because they know only they will be the ones to defend themselves. even the us has failed the jews. I know all about that. what hitler did was known long before we entered the war. we turned many away. the so called true isreal you like to defend there, knew then and did little in the u.s.

 

[reba]

You are absolutely correct Zionism has no place among Christians. What i find amusing about these Christians who support that modern state that calls itself Israel in the Middle East is that there are Orthodox Jews who reject it and consider it evil...and they are not even Christians!lol As children of God we are part of the true Israel and should not support that counerfeit modern state of Israel...the occultic hexagram that is on their flag should tell us who the real power is behind that nation.

Please do not go any farther down this path in these forums.....

 

[Sinthesis]

I support the State of Israel for the same reasons I support any of our allies, and it has nothing to do with religious beliefs.
I criticize the State of Israel for the same reasons I criticize any of our allies, and it has nothing to do with religious beliefs.



DITTOS: reba

 

[Grappler]

hexagram? that is hardly true. I know a former occultist that explained the six side symbols and its a three d image that is often draw in 2d. its two pyramids , not a six sided star.sorry you are wrong.

the jewish state is needed simply because they know only they will be the ones to defend themselves. even the us has failed the jews. I know all about that. what hitler did was known long before we entered the war. we turned many away. the so called true isreal you like to defend there, knew then and did little in the u.s.

I would love to continue this discussion but as you can see i have been warned not to go down that path any farther by reba in post #70. I guess it must be a sensitive subject for some people.LOL Soooo let me at least say this...you are absolutely wrong about the hexagram and whatever you were trying to say about the true Israel and the war or whatever.... if you would like to continue this discussion shoot me a private message if not have a nice day hope to "talk" to you on another thread.