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peace4all

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ok, I have been reading for a day or so now, And i have read most of genisis, and I got stuck on a few parts.

first, I am reading teh :new jeruselum version" : pocket edition.

anywho, I was reading and it was when abraham and god were talking, and abraham bartered with god to spare the city of sodom and gonorahhe (i can never spell it right) if atleast 10 were good people. The next line starts "then the two angels entered the city" well, why is it "the two angels" where did these said angels appear from? the way it is written. "the two angels" implies that there were already the said 2 angels. and that they had already been introduced and spoken of.


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well, of course the angels talk with lot, and they tell him to leave the city of sodom, and take his wife, and 2 daughters who were virgins ( i am confused as to why he offered his 2 daughters virginity, away (isnt that a sin, they had husbands, yet hadnt consimated, and then he was goign to have them have sex with others? forced?)) and so that ='s 4 ppl being sent off.
I never recall reading anything of the town of gonorahhe (man i cant spell that at all.) and if the peopel there wer ecounted or anything, it jsut suddenly skips to the fire and brimstone.

#3 the creation parts. ther eare the 2 stories right? the "god formed man of clay and earth in hsi immage" and then the whole, adam and eve, pull out a rib thing. which one is correct?

I think this might solely be because i have the pocket version (but it is relaly thick so...)
 
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The two angels: I don't know where they came from. It's possible they were mentioned earlier on, but I didn't really see anything. Either way, I don't think it's really a crucuial part of the story, and I wouldn't owrry about it too much.

Offering his daughter's virginity: Yes, it was wrong for Lot to do this, but I think he did so because he knew who teh two men were, and would rather sacrifice his daughters than see harm come to the two men.

Gomorrah: I think the reason there was more attention given to Sodom was because it was the only city where righteous people were found. I think Gomorrah wasn't talked about because htere was no one in there that deserved to be warned. That's the only reason I can see for it being left out.

Creation of man: Are you talking aobut Genesis 1 verses Genesis 2? Both stories are correct. Gen. 1 just gives an overview of creation, while Gen. 2 goes into more detail, specifically with how man and woman were created.

Hope this helped.
 
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peace4all

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ok, ty, question 1 and 2 are basically cleared up... although 2 still offers me some dificulties now..

force 2 to sin, to save 2 others. thats like "kill 2 of your four unborn babies, to let the other 2 that have a more promissing life survive" sorta right??

SO both versions are correct!! eep.. talking snake? sexism now :sad ty though..

I have to admit, these are good answers actually given :tongue
 

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The two angels mentioned in Gen 19:1 are two of the three "men" in chapter 18. They were angels who had taken on the form of men. The third is God.
 
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peace4all said:
#3 the creation parts. ther eare the 2 stories right? the "god formed man of clay and earth in hsi immage" and then the whole, adam and eve, pull out a rib thing. which one is correct?
Chapter 1 is somewhat of a general introduction, both to creation and to God's Masterplan which is concluded in Revelation. There is one set of 'seven' in Genesis and either 10 or 7 sets of 'sevens' in Revelation (I cannot recall off the top of my head, it's one or the other).

The first set of seven goes along with Genesis 4:15:
And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

and Matthew 18:21:
Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

And the sevenfold (times 7 or 10 :-? ) goes with Genesis 4:24:
If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

and Matthew 18:22:
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

The obsured and figurative prologue to the entire bible in Genesis one is veiled in Hebrew symbolism:
earth=field, land
darkness=misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness
waters=juice (as in wine is made from grape juice, think of the product of the fruits of God's vineyard, just for an example--the waters represent a source of life--spiritual life)
light=luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc)
divided=separate, distinguish, differ, select

It basically tells the story of evil and good--and there is mention of that which has 'its seed within in itself'--these are the ones 'born knowing God' that He knew before they were in their mother's womb (such as Jeremiah).

Cain is the darkness and Abel is the light.

There's much more, but this is just to give you an idea.

Then, in the second chapter, it is a story of the sources of life (4 rivers, God's chosen people are represented by the Euphrates) and the cleaving of the Adam and Eve into two--Eve represents the soul--the one tempted at the thought of being like God and Adam is either flesh or spirit (I am not yet totally understanding of Adam in this--either he was spirit before the soul was divided from him, and then became just 'flesh' as in 'dust to dust,' or it's something else. So don't take my Adam thoughts to the bank,lol) But I know that woman, as the mother of all living, and throughout the bible, even in Paul's epistles to Timothy, the female part is the 'soul' component of a human being.

I'm leaning toward Adam being the 'flesh', however, because after the sin of disobedience, God tells Eve she will be ruled over by her husband, and isn't it true that our flesh rules our soul, in the state in which we are born as mortal humans?

Anyway, this is the initial division that starts the whole thing--the same which is remedied by the wedding of the Bridegroom and the Bride in Revelation, which is the 'mystery of the church' as Paul speaks of.
 

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As far as # 2 goes, you have to understand the culture of the people back then. When you took a stranger into your home, you were responsible for them even to death. They were specially under your care.

Lot's choice (though extreme as it seems) was the only thing he felt he could do to protect his guests. Keep in mind that women weren't treated that equally and with the added pressure to preserve his guests at all costs, he made a rash decision.

I don't believe that he even knew they were angels. It didn't matter who it was. They took their hospitality to the extreme.
 
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The story of Lot is not to justify what he did, but to show the disgusting conditions prevalent in Sodom, and even in Lot's own family and his own values. This is why God felt it necessary to destroy them. Sodom is focused on because that is where Lot lived, and the story is about Lot--about Abraham's family.

And yet 2 Pet. 2:7 tells us Lot was a righteous man. In other words, he was a believer in the true God. So we find that, true to the rest of the Bible, salvation is not a matter of how good you are, but who your faith is in.



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Don't look back

On the level of allegory, this story also is a preliminary lesson for us regarding each 'exodus' that occurs for God's people--the first one from the slavery of labor in Egypt, and the second, upcoming one where we will be delivered from the world's cruel bondage of sin and death under 'Pharoah' Satan's rule. :wink:

Christ said, 'do not go back into your house for something you forgot' (paraphrased from Mark 13:15-16)

IOW, don't look back--just look ahead. The future is hope and light :angel: and the past destruction and doom. :evil:
 
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The "story" isn't a story, it's the truth!

Genesis 1-2 does not contradict each other, so they're both true! If there were actual contradictions, then the good word of the Lord would be wrong! If it's wrong, then this great religion would be all wrong and there would be no meaning to life! We'd all have to kill ourselves!

As for Lot giving up his daughters, they SHOULD be given up! If you have to make your family and friends sin so you can save others, DO IT!

Jesus said:
Luke 18:29-30 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake, Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

Don't forget Mark 10:29-30, and Matthew 19:29-30 AMEN!

Give up your families now! The love of God is the only thing you should have!
 

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ErikSalaan said:
Genesis 1-2 does not contradict each other, so they're both true! If there were actual contradictions, then the good word of the Lord would be wrong! If it's wrong, then this great religion would be all wrong and there would be no meaning to life!
This is referred to as the fallacy of circular reasoning.

ErikSalaan said:
As for Lot giving up his daughters, they SHOULD be given up! If you have to make your family and friends sin so you can save others, DO IT!
:o Please prove this with Scripture.

Mark 9:42, "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe to stumble, it would be better for him if, with a heavy millstone hung around his neck, he had been cast into the sea."

ErikSalaan said:
Give up your families now! The love of God is the only thing you should have!
Mark 12:28-31, "28 One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" 29 Jesus answered, "The foremost is, `HEAR , O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD; 30 AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.' 31 "The second is this, `YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these.""

1 John 1:9-11, "9 The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now. 10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes."

1 John 3:14-16, "14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love abides in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer; and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16 We know love by this, that He laid down His life for us; and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."

1 John 4:7-11,19-21, "7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another....19 We love, because He first loved us. 20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 21 And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also."

Just a few quick passages. Please prove your point with Scripture.
 

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The long link I pasted below is a study page for Genesis 19:
Once you are at the page, click on the links on the right and/or on the left columns to further your research.

Some tips on navigating at that site:
The left side column - are tools for study.

The middle column - contain bible verse from Genesis 19
(You can click on each verse - if you want, and find more pages of these same tools and comentaries. )

The right side column - is a list of more commentaries for individual verses.

http://www.studylight.org/desk/?l=en&query=Genesis+19:1-38&section=0&translation=kjv&oq=Genesis%2019:1-38&new=1&sr=1&nb=ge&ng=19&ncc=19

Also,
Here is a link to an in depth commentary on Genesis 19:
http://www.scripturestudies.com/Vol3/C4/c4_ot.html

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