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Have any of the 7 seals opened?

Skrumpelnubb

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I was wondering that too(encapsulation), especially since almost the same words are used by Rev 6:12-13 as Matt 24:29. Next verses is about the return of Jesus, Matt 24:30-31
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I've gone back and forth on the encapsulation thing. But right now I'm beginning to think that Revelation is chronological with some overlaps. One reason is because of the verses you quoted.

Revelation 6:12-13 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

After the tribulation the moon in Mt. 24 doesn't her give light. That's different than a moon that is said to be blood red. Granted they are both celestial events but I think the difference is that the blood red moon is at the beginning of tribulation just after the opening of the first 4 seals which would also be confirmed by a great earthquake most likely in the Middle-East. The reason for that is when pollutants are released into the atmosphere it causes the moon to appear red especially when it first rises. As the tribulation progresses and gets worse with natural disasters like volcanoes to add to the mix eventually the moon will be darkened...after tribulation.
I get a headache about that book.:crazy I will consider what you've just wrote.

I think I will make a sketch later in 'open office draw' or something? With a timeline, and try to put things in order.

As new angles appears, I can change it then. Like an on-going project. If I do that I will post it here later. :)
 
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Stars are often angels in the Bible, could be that angels are falling down to
earth?
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Probably not. This verse seems to be all celestial as the sun, moon, and stars are affected. 1/3 of the angels are said to fall in Revelation etc. but that may have more than one story to it. The celestial events of verse 29 are said to have occurred after the tribulation. That's when Satan and his fallen angels are just about done with all their work. Then the Lord Returns to bind them for 1000 years in what's probably called tartarus.

The stars would probably not be seen at all at that time. If the moon "no longer gives her light," then the stars which are much dimmer may not be seen at all. One note on the darkened moon. The moon will shed light of course but more likely seen as a glow within the clouds, "of pollutants."

The word heaven is also the word that describes, "the vaulted expanse of the sky with all things visible in it," as well as region of the clouds. http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3772&t=KJV
 
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The moon and stars figured in Josephs dream.
And in the reckoning of the Jewish calendar.
Stars are often angels in the Bible, could be that angels are falling down to earth?
Angels are any messengers of God; not necessarily only heavenly creatures. So we could have people entrusted with conveying God's will to the world, but corrupting their duty and thereby losing their holy status, requiring them to be thrust back into the rest of profane humanity.
 

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Yikes you mean to say there are angels here ! :shocked!
 

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Angels are any messengers of God; not necessarily only heavenly creatures. So we could have people entrusted with conveying God's will to the world,
Angels or messengers were given the writings of the Apostle John concerning the spiritual walk of their churches in Revelation Chapters Two and Three, and I fully believe them to be the pastors of those seven churches.

Many times in my Christian experience mine or another pastor has had a message from the pulpit that fit exactly the problem in my life at that time, and I doubt they even knew it lest I told them. In these times they were the messenger God used to reach me.

I once invited a friend to the church I was attending for some years, and had never heard the message that came forth that morning. My friend was quite involved in business; he owned a bowling alley, a motel, a liquor store, and he was a Mason big time. Guess what the sermon was about that morning? You got it; Masonry, and my pastor didn't know him or anything about him. I will say that certainly got his attention.
 

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