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History and Revisionism

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I get concerned at times with younger generations not being exposed to much history of my era ('60's) and my parent's era. I have no doubts there is a concerted effort to 'dumb-down' later generations, especially with previous history. And I think this is one of the deceptions for the last days. No doubt folks in my generation were in a similar boat when we were young. But I sense there's more historical revisionism being done today.

I do know historical revisionism was a tool used by the Communist Party in my era. One of the first sources where I heard about that idea was by the British socialist author George Orwell in his book called 1984. The story in his book carried it to the extreme. Works like Farenheit 451 went further with the idea by destroying books altogether, outlawing even posession of them. In the recent movie The Book of Eli, this theme is present with the main character having the only copy of The Bible then existent, all others being destroyed on purpose after a nuclear holocaust.

What I've learned, is that the further back you go with finding a historical work, often the more reliable; not always, but more often. Go to the library and research just subject titles in pre-'80's Reader's Digests compared with subject titles in today's editions, and you'll see part of what I mean. (That might even make a good thesis for someone, correlating the difference in subject matter covered between different eras. It would reveal a progression of ideas over time.) That's one of the problems with revisionism; part of its basis is on progressive thought. If some truths sound too old-fashioned, it should be discarded for newer progressive ideas, that's the dangerous thinking.

How is revisionism applied, someone might say? One of the problems is a lack of primary sources. A primary historical source is a work by an eye-witness, someone who was there. The four Gospel Books of The Bible are primary sources for our Lord Jesus' Ministry, crucifixion and resurrection. A secondary source is once removed, like a later disciple who was told by one of Christ's Apostles. And a tertiary source is one who was told by that disciple. The further from the primary source one gets, the less accurate the story. And that's what a lot of historical works coming out today are like. A student of history becomes a professor, does research with what's available, which usually means the amount of more modern versions available are greater. A new work winds up being based on more later revisons because of not enough primary sources being available.

With a lot of school texts revisionism is worse, sometimes with no attempt to hide a lack of research into primary sources of the era.

The effect this produces is that a later generation will tend to accept the so-called authorities of the day and their views they dug up from other less modern views, with supposed clarifications of what really happenned or what the original author meant. An example would be when the U.S. Constitutional founders declared the United States as a Constitutional Republic, that word Republic somewhere gets changed to Democracy, when the meaning of those two terms are quite different. Or some start declaring the U.S. never was known as a Christian nation, when there is much proof in primary sources about the stamp of Christianity in the early history of our nation. Going back to primary source material solves much of that revisionism. The mainstream media are some of the most guilty with historical revisionism. They know most people are too lazy to go check out primary sources for themselves.

Websites like Wikipedia perfectly fit means for doing historical revisionism. I'm not saying everything on it is a lie. It's simply too easy to put up info on electronic media that gets away from hard copies of rare primary source work. Don't be deceived by that.

Why is the idea of revisonism so important to socialists who want to place theirselves over us as our benefactors and caretakers? Simple, it helps remove the past out of the minds of later generations. That way they can more easily mold a younger generation for their purpose. In other words, for the purpose of propaganda. What and how the masses think has always been important to governments and rulers. That's why so much money and time is spent on studying and influencing public opinion (i.e., "political correctness"). Have you noticed those little info tidbits of stats in newspapers of how many like this or dislike that, believe or disbelieve something, agree or disagree with some idea? What about TV shows that represent what is in good taste, or in bad taste, much of the thinking done for you?

Bottomline:
Think for yourself, do your homework, as much as you can.
 
These quotes are from the Encyclopedia Americana,1961 edition.
"Words are frequently changed in an entirely arbitrary way, just for the sake of change, as is the case with taboo, and cant. The purpose is to deform the word in any possible way and render it unrecongnizable."
"Cant ,the secret language of a corporation or class of persons, such as criminals, hoboes, students, soldiers, railroaders, conspirators, and the like." This quote should have also included secret societies.
"Canopus. In Egyptian mythology, a water god, represented on vessels of a spherical shape." That is, the shape of a serpent.
"Cannibalism, Kan/i/bal/ism, a customary, socially approved practice, among certain barbarous peoples, of eating human flesh." "The fact that the older, learned term "anthropophagy" derives from the classic Greek anthropos (man) , and phagein (eat), suggests that from ancient times barbarous peoples were known to eat human flesh, or at least were accused of doing so."

Here is a list of proper names of some snakes.

Apostolepis: nick name, messenger snake.
Acanthophis: Adder's.
Canna, Pseudaspis: Mole snake.
Candidus, Bungarus.
Candoia: #1. Aspera, #2. Bibroni, #3. Carinata.
Caninus, Corallas: Emerald tree boa.
Cantherigerus, Alsophis.
Cantil, Agkistrodon bilineatus.
Cantori, Trimeresurus.
Canum, Gyalopion: Western hook-nosed.
Canus, Tropidophis.
Vatican
The word Vatican is a compound word, but you will not find a dictionary that tells you that. Have you ever given any thought to the term,social engineering?

Cancun
Ekab is now called Cancun. And Quintana Roo was the name of Andres Quintana Roo, a Yucatecan journalist and statesman during the days of the Yucatecan Independence movement.
Cancun means Nido de Viboras in Maya, or Nest of Vipers.
The word Maya as a name for the indigenous inhabitants of the area is not accepted by all experts. In Tulum, the people call themselves Itzá, among other names, but when the Spaniards began to speak to them in Spanish they answered, "Ma-u-than," which may be translated "Don't understand your language."
This was later evidently misinterpreted as "Mayat'an," or language of the Maya. Yucatan is probably a misinterpretation of "ki-uthan," which means "He speaks well." Catoche almost certainly meant "Our homeland." The Mayan word kan does mean serpent. Kan is a letter of the Mayan alphabet represented by the face of a snake. Kukulkán means The Plumed Serpent. The usual interpretation of this is that it refers to both a god and historical figure, known as Quetzalcoatl in Nahuatl, the language of the northern tribes of Mexico. Kukulkán is associated with the planet Venus. Kan may also be a generic term for king or great leader. It is interesting to note that Mayas are clearly linked genetically to the Mongols of Northern Asia, in appearance, blood-type and in the characteristic Mongol "blue spot" which newborn infants bear at the base of the spine. The Mongols also called their national leader Khan. Although contemporary Mayas agree that kun means nest, this translation does not appear in the standard Cordomex dictionary of the Mayan language. Modern Maya contains many Spanish words. The Spanish word for den or animal's nest is cuna. It also means cradle. Kun can be a suffix that changes a noun into an active verb, somewhat the way "-ing" turns the noun snake into the verb "snaking." In this sense it seems to mean acting or beginning from. Thus Cancun could mean where kan acts or where kan begins. It could also mean The Refuge of Kan, since Quetzalcoatl did flee Mexico and find refuge in Yucatan. The problems of translation are complicated by the existence of two different forms of the sound 'k.' One is pronounced like the European or American k, but with a crisp click. The other is written k' and indicates a glottal stop (similar to the common mispronunciation of "bottle" as "bo'-le"). Kan and k'an are two different words, as are kun and k'un, with several meanings. The earliest recorded spelling of Cancun was Cancuen. Ku means god or great. It could also mean enchantment. Cancuen would then seem to mean where great kan (or where God Kan) was. Entwined serpents are common in Maya sculpture. Quetzalcoatl had a twin, Ehecoatl. The Mexican word cuate, for buddy, is derived from the Nahuatl coatl, which means snake, but also means twin or brother. Jose Diaz-Bolio proved that the snake in question was the rattlesnake, and in 1968, the Mexican national seal was changed to reflect this discovery. Bolio has demonstrated very convincingly that the markings of the rattlesnake are echoed in the Mayan calendar, architecture and mathematics.

Canary Island
It is said that the Fortunate Isles are called Canaria after the multitude of huge canines who live there.
So why is a bird named after a dog? A person might think that the islands were named after the birds, but according to Pliny such is not the case. "Canary" derives rather from the Latin word canis, "dog", and the name Canaria was given to one of these islands because of its population of fearsomely huge canines. According to the chamber of commerce there never was a population of wild dogs. The Island was known for it,s snakes that would leap from tree limbs to catch little bird in flight. That means that the story Pliny told is a fabrication. Now what do you think of that?

Refutation of James Bernstein
First Bernstein says it was the church, not the councils that set the canon, then two pages later he says the church determined the canon. Yet Bernstein tries to prove his point by telling us the canon was determined by the Council of Laodicea A.D 363 and third Council of Carthage in A.D 397. Obviously then Bernstein contradicts himself. First he says it was not the councils, then he refers to two church councils to prove the church had the authority to set the canon.
The first council accepted only 26 books and rejected the book of Revelation, while the second council accepted all 27 books including Revelation. The obvious question: What good is the "authority of the church" if it contradicts itself? One council rejects the book of Revelation the other council accepts Revelation. Which "authority" was right?
What does it mean for the Catholic Church to canonize scripture? Note: The Book of Enoch was accepted a scriptural from 167BC to about 700 AD.

khan (kän, k?n)
noun.
From Persian kh?n means house, from Middle Persian.
From ancient times people would remark while in the Vatican dungeon, that they were in the belly of the beast or serpent, or, in the can. And that is where the word can comes from. Even to this day people in prison or jail will say they are in the can.

Jeremiah 51:34
"Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon has devoured us, he has thrown us into confusion, he has made us an empty jar. Like a serpent he has swallowed us and filled his stomach with our delicacies, and then has spewed us out.

The word "canon" is derived from the Greek noun ????? "kanon" meaning "reed" or "cane," or also "rule" or "measure," which itself is derived from the Hebrew word ??? "kaneh" and is often used as a standard of measurement.
 
mdo757 said:
What is [a Merry can] or [Can ada] or [Mex i can] or [A fre can]?
i hate to bust your bubble, and mujahid will do it far worse in that.
pakistan(stan) means poeple, khan is correct in that it means house,but why doesnt the pakistanis use that for their land?

veteran, i have found that to be the general case with history books, the older they are they tend to be more accurate and honest about the story.
 
I don't read books about American history pre-1920s.

I try to avoid history books on Christianity that are pre-1800

All the Bible studies I trust are pre-1800

We live in a touchy-feely word... Men are not allowed to be manly. Woman are expected to be masculine. Its better to lie than to hurt someones feelings. We change words to keep from making people feel bad.

It's sad. It's despicable.

And yes, it all comes from revisionism.
 
in florida, the indians that have the worst reputation of war atrocities are these:
billy bow legs
osceloa
both were seminoles.

the seminoles were driven to florida by the cherokee tribe in georgia and also north carolina, the creek tribe was mainly in alabama. when the spanish dealt with them they called(seminoles)they called them cimmarons which some how got to the word in english seminole. problably a florida cracker trying to say that spanish word.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
jasoncran said:
mdo757 said:
What is [a Merry can] or [Can ada] or [Mex i can] or [A fre can]?
i hate to bust your bubble, and mujahid will do it far worse in that.
pakistan(stan) means poeple, khan is correct in that it means house,but why doesnt the pakistanis use that for their land?

veteran, i have found that to be the general case with history books, the older they are they tend to be more accurate and honest about the story.

I have just finnished banging my head on my desk after reading mdo's post.

I suggest you take some colloege level linguistic courses at your local college. you seem very interested in the morphology and history of world languages, so I think you would enjoy them. The cost per class should be fairly affordable.

The human tongue can only make a certain number of sound combinations from our mouthes, so if diffeent languages use the same prefix or suffix in various words, it does not mean there is a corilation.

you referenced the word Khan, Khan is not pronounced with the english letter "k" it is pronounced with a gutteral "khaf" (like your haulking a loogi), but the english version of "k" is found in Arabic, Farsi, urdhu - if you use "soft k" to say kahn - you are now refering to an entirely different thing than Khan.

I gotta go tend to the gaping wound on my forehead now.
I suggest you have a cup of coffee and wake up. The languages being spoken about are Mayan and Spanish. Hello! :yes
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
my forehead is fine now BTW

Okay, then a few questions:

1. why did mention the use of "can" in other languages like latin, persian, english?
2. why did you bring up Ameri - can , Can - andian , Afri - can?
3. how are spanish and mayan linguisticly alike, aside form shared words adopted by either group after contact was made by the two civilizations?

Spanish and Mayan dialects developed entirely seperate from one-another, on seperate continents and withs seperate histories and influences. The only connection they would theoreticly have with one another would be based on a ancient "Adamic" language spoken by the first humans, and lost when mankind spread across the globe.
It seems that because language was basically the same in the beginning, that some words today have relationships with each other, although spelled or pronounced differently. Khan means house which contains people, and a snake that swollowed it's prey contains it's food. Other words to think about: Ar-kan-sas, Kan-sas, cantrip, cantrap, canard, canal, ect.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
Okay, I can see where your coming from, this is just your theory on ancient words carried over through time from the original language man kind spoke in the beginning.

but its a little flimsy, you should try and compile other phrases and word groups that are held throughout the world.

Also take a look at the oldest languages first, like Aramaic, sanskrit, latin, and tamil. The oldest language group is vedas, it comes from the indo-persian area, spoken by the first rel empire the Arains.

Sanskit is also an interesting language to lok at. It is one of the most exact languages known to man and actually NASA wants to employ sanskrit in computations, since it essentially has a 0% variation level, which means, there are no synonyms to get in the way of meanings.

It probbaly should be put in a new thread, but I would be interested in what you come up with.
I was not able to edit my first post here, so here is a edited version, link to my post: http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.c ... &thread=37
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
I recently heard a interview on NPR with an historian who was pointing out the revisions in American history in regards to native Americans. This revision did not take place in the history books, but in pop culture

Like most stuff on NPR, that's wrong. Well, partially wrong...

If we look at the change in textbooks during the 1920s you will see how drastic the changes were. History was LITERALLY being re-written.

Curriculum is another giant factor in this revisionist view of history. If you teach the youth something new, it will eventually be as if it was true, even if it isn't. The school curriculum has changed a lot, even between your schooling and mine. We actually hardly learn anything about history at all any more. It's this social studies bologna about dealing with other cultures, bunch of junk really.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
Pard said:
[quote="Mujahid Abdullah":2owwvo01]I recently heard a interview on NPR with an historian who was pointing out the revisions in American history in regards to native Americans. This revision did not take place in the history books, but in pop culture

Like most stuff on NPR, that's wrong. Well, partially wrong...

If we look at the change in textbooks during the 1920s you will see how drastic the changes were. History was LITERALLY being re-written.

Curriculum is another giant factor in this revisionist view of history. If you teach the youth something new, it will eventually be as if it was true, even if it isn't. The school curriculum has changed a lot, even between your schooling and mine. We actually hardly learn anything about history at all any more. It's this social studies bologna about dealing with other cultures, bunch of junk really.

Im not saying text books havent been revised over the years, Im saying this is one instance where pop culture changed our perception of history, so I dont know how its "wrong".

and Im not much older than you, so I dont think our text books were very different. I do agree History is much neglected subject in school, but so are all the rest.[/quote:2owwvo01]
I have read history books that are more than 100 years old. Believe me, they are different. As a matter of fact, some things that are said are very offencive.
 
Mujahid Abdullah said:
This is true, it was a common held belif by european historians and scientists that whites were superior to all other races. Evolutionists taught that blacks had not evolved to the points of whites, historians considered blacks to be only 3/4 human.

It seems revision goes both ways.
brief digression into what is called social darwinism by that one.
evidence.
 
I can certainly agree that there is something odd when it comes to comparing the writings of the late 1700s and today's. Recently, I took the time to read the Federalist Papers. It is so different from the kinds of things we hear on the political talk circuit. I'm referring to both Fox News and CNN. I won't bother adding MSNBC to the mix.

I suspects the pundits would be in for a shock, if the Founding Fathers could have a chat with them. It seems today's politicians and ideological supporters either look at the past with an eye only for what they want to hear; as opposed to the whole truth.

Here is a case in point. I wanted to discover the truth about George Washington and slavery. I did a google search and found a detailed account of Pres. Washington's dealing with that wretched institution. The author took the time to give an unflinching look at the distant past. As it was from a university, the author may not have been a conservative. The author showed a man who was quite honorable and didn't fall victim to popular beliefs of the South. Yes, Washington was a slave owner and was a little slow to make certain connection. However, he was open to God's influences in his life. The author did say that Washington did opposed the slave trade; however sought to oppose it in a subtle way.

This is in sharp contrast to an albeit honest look at President Washington that I discovered on David Barton's site. Barton did corroborated what the author said; however David's articles sought to stress how Washington did indeed sought to reform Virginia's laws. It is only by combining these two reports did I come away with a greater respect for President Washington.

Granted, I'd be more on the side of the abolitionists who wanted the thing ended immediately and not the gradual process that Washington favored. Sadly, too many are not willing to take the time to discover the truth. Some times, we hear things and don't bother to question it or ask "Did anyone challenge this? Did he ever change?" By doing some digging, that's precisely what I learned about George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.
 
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