How much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation do partial preterists view as fulfilled?

[GodIsMySavior]

Question:
How much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation do partial preterists view as fulfilled?
Thanks

 

[JLB]

Question:
How much of the Olivet Discourse and Revelation do partial preterists view as fulfilled?
Thanks

I couldn't say what others believe.


What do you believe still needs to be fulfilled?



JLB

 

[precepts]

I couldn't say what others believe.


What do you believe still needs to be fulfilled?



JLB

The true interpretation is misinterpreted Full Preterism, because the events took place in heaven and not on earth.

Full Preterism was falsely defined by the world to hide the truth of there being a heavenly world and kingdom, falsely defined by the children of the flesh, carnal minded people, as Chris defined them, that interpret spiritual things as carnal, why they think heaven will be on earth and not in heaven.

 

[JLB]

The true interpretation is misinterpreted Full Preterism, because the events took place in heaven and not on the earth. It was falsely defined by the world to hide the truth of there being a heavenly world and kingdom, falsely defined by the children of the flesh, carnal minded people, as Chris defined them, that interpret spiritual things as carnal, why they think heaven will be on earth and not in heaven.

Maybe you could explain what you mean, and share what you believe about Preterism.

 

[precepts]

Maybe you could explain what you mean, and share what you believe about Preterism.

Explain what? I told you they were fulfilled in heaven.

The 2nd coming is a parable that was fulfilled in heaven.

The 1st and 2nd resurrections were the fulfillment of the 2nd coming, when "those who were standing there" on the mount of olives with Christ, "tasted death," as prophesied on the mount, when they "saw" Him coming on the clouds into His kingdom, a 1,000 yrs after the 1st resurrection in heaven, in the lake of fire.

It is a parable.

 

[JLB]

Explain what? I told you they were fulfilled in heaven.

The 2nd coming is a parable that was fulfilled in heaven.

The 1st and 2nd resurrections were the fulfillment of the 2nd coming, when "those who were standing there" on the mount of olives with Christ, "tasted death," as prophesied on the mount, when they "saw" Him coming on the clouds into His kingdom, a 1,000 yrs after the 1st resurrection in heaven, in the lake of fire.

It is a parable.

Matthew 24 is a parable?

Are you saying the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past?

 

[precepts]

Matthew 24 is a parable?

Are you saying the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past?

Here we go again.

 

[for_his_glory]

precepts
If the Olivet Discourse and the book of Revelation was fulfilled in the 1st century, why is there no evidence in the early church writings that the church understood things in this way?

 

[JLB]

Here we go again.

Matthew 24 is a parable?

Are you saying the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past?


JLB

 

[precepts]

Matthew 24 is a parable?

Are you saying the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past?


JLB

The scriptures have been tampered with. It's the reason why you think a parable is just a story. Read Nu. 23 and 24.

A parable was a prophesy told in a wise way so the fool couldn't understand. That's why Christ spoke in parables, why God/Christ speaks in parables, which is called prophesy/prophesying.

Secondly, I already explained how, when, and where the prophesy was fulfilled.

 

[JLB]

The scriptures have been tampered with. It's the reason why you think a parable is just a story. Read Nu. 23 and 24. A parable was a prophesy told in a wise way so the fool couldn't understand. That's why Christ spoke in parables, why God/Christ speaks in parable, which is prophesy/prophesying.

Secondly, I already explained how, when, and where the prophesy was fulfilled.

Your opinion is well noted.

Here was my question —

Are you saying the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past?



JLB

 

[precepts]

Your opinion is well noted.

Here was my question —

Are you saying the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past?



JLB

The answer to your question is in post #5 and it's not an opinion. Your response is.

 

[JLB]

The answer to your question is in post #5 and it's not an opinion. Your response is.

Here is your post number 5 —

Explain what? I told you they were fulfilled in heaven.

The 2nd coming is a parable that was fulfilled in heaven.

The 1st and 2nd resurrections were the fulfillment of the 2nd coming, when "those who were standing there" on the mount of olives with Christ, "tasted death," as prophesied on the mount, when they "saw" Him coming on the clouds into His kingdom, a 1,000 yrs after the 1st resurrection in heaven, in the lake of fire.

It is a parable.

It appears you are promoting the idea that the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past.


Is that true?


JLB

 

[precepts]

Here is your post number 5 —




It appears you are promoting the idea that the resurrection of the dead in Christ is past.


Is that true?


JLB

Am I not using the past tense when referencing the 2nd Coming?

 

[JLB]

Am I not using the past tense when referencing the 2nd Coming?

Then you are promoting heresy and have strayed from the truth.


And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18

• have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past

When the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs, it will be at His coming, when He physically returns and destroys the wicked and puts an end to all evil rule in the earth.


For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:22-26


When the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs we will have glorious bodies that shine like the sun, and won’t die anymore.


Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

• But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,

As long as people are still marrying and they can die, the resurrection has not yet taken place.




JLB

 

[precepts]

Then you are promoting heresy and have strayed from the truth.

Talk is cheap. You and Christianity don't know the truth.

And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some. 2 Timothy 2:17-18

• have strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past

If the 1st resurrection is a 1,000 yrs before the 2nd resurrection, which happened in 98 ad during the reign of the 11th Roman emperor (the historical 12th), how could have the 2nd resurrection been past when this argument was presented, lets say, decades after the crucifixion? So, it is a heresy.

When the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs, it will be at His coming, when He physically returns and destroys the wicked and puts an end to all evil rule in the earth.

Which is your stumbling block. The 2nd Coming prophecy is a parable/prophecy fulfilled in heaven after the 1,000 yrs reign in heaven, the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse, when "those were standing there" during the Olivet Discourse tasted death in the lake of fire in heaven. Yours and Christianity's stumbling block is not recognizing the fact that there are 3 resurrections. The 3rd resurrection being the "Wheat and Tares" resurrection, where and when the earth will be reaped, the righteous into the barn which is the New Yahrushalem and the wicked straight into the lake of fire. That's separates the 3rd resurrection from the 2nd, the fact there will be no throne judgement in the 3rd resurrection.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:22-26

Which you can read in Revelation, the 2nd Coming at the 2nd resurrection in heaven.

When the resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs we will have glorious bodies that shine like the sun, and won’t die anymore.

Again, at the 1st and 2nd resurrections in heaven.

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

• But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore,

Which has nothing to do with the fact.

As long as people are still marrying and they can die, the resurrection has not yet taken place.





JLB

So when the 1,000 yrs begins and you get your new bodies and are not given to marriage, where will the sinners be during that 1,000 yrs?

 

[for_his_glory]

Explain what? I told you they were fulfilled in heaven.

The 2nd coming is a parable that was fulfilled in heaven.

The 1st and 2nd resurrections were the fulfillment of the 2nd coming, when "those who were standing there" on the mount of olives with Christ, "tasted death," as prophesied on the mount, when they "saw" Him coming on the clouds into His kingdom, a 1,000 yrs after the 1st resurrection in heaven, in the lake of fire.

It is a parable.

Wow, so you do not believe what has already been written in the scriptures? Where do you then get your information from?

 

[for_his_glory]

Which is your stumbling block. The 2nd Coming prophecy is a parable/prophecy fulfilled in heaven after the 1,000 yrs reign in heaven, the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse, when "those were standing there" during the Olivet Discourse tasted death in the lake of fire in heaven. Yours and Christianity's stumbling block is not recognizing the fact that there are 3 resurrections. The 3rd resurrection being the "Wheat and Tares" resurrection, where and when the earth will be reaped, the righteous into the barn which is the New Yahrushalem and the wicked straight into the lake of fire. That's separates the 3rd resurrection from the 2nd, the fact there will be no throne judgement in the 3rd resurrection.

More heresies as there is nothing mentioned about any of this in the Olivet Discourse. There were no others, but only the disciples who were with Jesus as He answered their three questions, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Jesus proceeds to tell them those things which must come first before His return, Matthew 24:4-28 and in Matthew 24:29-31 shows them what to look for in His second coming.

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Rev 19:11-21 is that of Christ second coming that was mentioned in Matthew 24:29-31 as at that time on the last day He will destroy the beast and the false prophet, casting them alive into the lake of fire, and the lake of fire is not in heaven for no evil can exist in the Spiritual realm of God. At His second coming He will also send His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather all that are His own that are in the grave, John 5:28, 29; John 6:40, Matthew 24:29-31, and those alive at His coming as they will evermore be with the Lord. Then God ushers down the new heaven and the New Jerusalem after He cast all those who rejected truth, casting them into the lake of fire.

Either you believe what Jesus has already taught and have eternal life with Him, or you reject His truths and find yourself in the lake of fire with all those false teachers that are teaching you these heresies.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[precepts]

Wow, so you do not believe what has already been written in the scriptures? Where do you then get your information from?

I get my info from the scriptures, but it has to be line upon, precept upon precept, because the scriptures is not without fault.

 

[for_his_glory]

I get my info from the scriptures, but it has to be line upon, precept upon precept, because the scriptures is not without fault.

I can't even say you are twisting scripture as none of what you have said doesn't even come from the written word. If it did you would be giving us the scriptures you are teaching from. We do ask our members to give scripture in support of what they speak so we can discuss them together.