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had there been the option for me to put "Son of God" instead of yes or no to the question "are you a Christian" would we be now entertaining this issue ?

We will all see who are sons of God and who is not, when we stand before our Lord on that Day.

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36


JLB
 
We will all see who are sons of God and who is not, when we stand before our Lord on that Day.

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36


JLB

it matters not to me if you in this moment believe yourself to be a Son of God or not, as it is not my job to persuade you either way, seeing only the Father reveals the Son

i intend no offence to anyone by not labeling myself after a religion i do not share in most of its beliefs .... nor do i share in the view that Christians have authority over Gods books ... to me the Bible is a gift from my Father to me His Son, and no man has the right to label or impose his religious beliefs on me ....

i am who i am
 
to be of Christ does not actually say "God called them Christians" ... it's more like sons. As you know it was in Antioch that they were first called this, with no specifics within that verse, as to who called them this.

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas ; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided ? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Christian is a name that is used to cause division, as is the further labeling of what kind of Christian you are ...

Who told you that you were a Christian ?

For God to call you a son is not of a truth cast down.

had there been the option for me to put "Son of God" instead of yes or no to the question "are you a Christian" would we be now entertaining this issue ?

Christian is to mean to be Christlike as being a child of God like that of His only begotten Son Christ Jesus and is a label we give ourselves from the day of Pentecost where they were first called Christians in Antioch set apart from other religions, but yet look at how many call themselves a Christian, but yet have not Christ in them.
 
it matters not to me if you in this moment believe yourself to be a Son of God or not, as it is not my job to persuade you either way, seeing only the Father reveals the Son

i intend no offence to anyone by not labeling myself after a religion i do not share in most of its beliefs .... nor do i share in the view that Christians have authority over Gods books ... to me the Bible is a gift from my Father to me His Son, and no man has the right to label or impose his religious beliefs on me ....

i am who i am

Latin root word for religion is bondage, which is different then that of Gods pure religion of James 1:27, but that of following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true Church. The Latin root word is religare as re is a prefix that means return and ligare means to bind. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations, traditions and doctrines. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because the Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about mans religion, nor does he recognize religion. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
 
Christian is to mean to be Christlike as being a child of God like that of His only begotten Son Christ Jesus and is a label we give ourselves from the day of Pentecost where they were first called Christians in Antioch set apart from other religions, but yet look at how many call themselves a Christian, but yet have not Christ in them.

had there been the option i would have put Faithist, but even that is a name ?‍♂️
 
Latin root word for religion is bondage, which is different then that of Gods pure religion of James 1:27, but that of following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true Church. The Latin root word is religare as re is a prefix that means return and ligare means to bind. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations, traditions and doctrines. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because the Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about mans religion, nor does he recognize religion. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

love it

said another way same truth

religion is a coming to God in ones own name it being the crooked path of a serpent which Jesus made straight ...
 
Do your teachings come from the Oahspe?

no .... and i had to google Oahspe as i had not heard of it ...

what i am sharing comes only from the 66 books ... which i study by word ... for example the word tree ... i study every verse in the book which has the word tree in it in relation to the words around it that give it its meaning so as to get a feel as to why it is used ... i do this also by studying every translation i can find of the verse the word appears as well as its definition in Strong,s as well as in dictionary's ....

but most importantly i do not force my will onto something ... if i do not understand a thing in the moment, i wait for Him to reveal it to me .... i also hold to nothing because i have found that Truth is forever expanding by remaining the same ...
 
Would this be the Universal Faithist? If not then what do you mean by Faithist?

i have not heard of a Universal Faithist ..... the greatest statement of faith is i am

God created all things by faith and it is only by faith that we see, but faith is not merchandise gained, but a gift of God, which is Himself, by which we are made whole by seeing as He sees
It is our faith (which is the gift of God, "If thou knewest the gift of God') that makes us whole. It is by our soul that we measure the Word of God and why we must lose our soul to find it. All of creation testifies of this path back. Jesus received the spirit without measure because he did not measure. He was tempted in his wilderness to prove that he was, but he knew that he lived, the son lives by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

there is only one faith, as there is only one God
 
And again we come upon this....

Speaking clearly so others can understand you without getting caught up in meaningless debates over particular words versus just using what is commonly understood is a problem Paul addressed several times.

In the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries people referred to themselves as Deists instead of belonging to a particular denomination because the particular denominations were basically engaged in guerilla warfare with each other. But they ALL had faith in God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
People today take the term Deist of old and make it out to be some kind of atheist or agnostic beliefs but that was far from the truth. People like Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin claimed to be Deists instead of Baptists or Methodists or whatever. But both of these men were highly moral and each held a deeply seated faith in God and scriptures. Both owned their own Bible... Thomas's Bible was one he personally translated from Latin into English.

Instead of using the term Christian... because at the time people who didn't believe in Jesus were dead... killed outright by the communities they tried to live in. And people had a more healthy fear of using the term Christian because it is part of Jesus'(God's) name.

Different times and people.

And now with the use of the internet...
We have people from around the world all speaking English dialects. 999 out of 1000 people who believe in Jesus refer to themselves as a Christian....the one who doesn't is a liar and division maker. Because God isn't about division amongst his people...He is about unity.

So...
What is it going to be with you? Creating division or creating unity?
 
FHG,

What is this 'single truth' the Bible speaks to?

As for the word needing no outside interpretation, this is a straw man fallacy. All of the Bible needs careful exegesis - obtaining the meaning from the text.

Do you realise that is not a single word in the NT that explains Greek grammar and syntax? If I didn't use J W Wenham's Elements of New Testament Greek, I would have a clue about the original NT language and how to translate it.

Whatever translation you use needed translators with an intricate knowledge of the original languages. They had to have knowledge acquired from outside sources to understand the original languages.

I find it to be a simplistic brushing aside of the importance of other Bible teachers for you to say: 'the word needs no outside interpretations'. The fact is that without outside interpretations we would have no Bible translations. I have a friend who is a SIL Bible translator in a foreign land. He went to Australian National University to get a degree in linguistics to assist him in developing a Bible translation for a tribe whose language was not in written form. It takes a lot of work to bring oral tradition into print and then to translate a Bible in the lingua franca of the people.

Frankly, I'm tired of your pushing the line that 'the word needs no outside interpretations' or the Bible is self-interpreting.



This is a false accusation, and that by a moderator. I know some of his beliefs by his stating he is not Christian in his avatar.

Are Christians called to judge false doctrine? With your statement in bold, you provided no biblical reference. Could you be referring to Matt 7:1?

However, you've missed a lot of other Scriptures that call Christians to discernment (being judges of false and correct). I'm thinking of verses such as:
  • 1 Corinthians 5:11–13 (NIV): 'But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ‘Expel the wicked person from among you.’
  • 1 Cor 6:4 (NIV): 'Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, do you ask for a ruling from those whose way of life is scorned in the church?'
  • 2 Thessalonians 3:6 (NIV): 'In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us'.
  • 1 Timothy 6:20 (NIV): 'Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge'.
  • Titus 3:9 (NIV): 'But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless'.
  • Etc, etc.
Based on these and many other verses it is the responsibility of Christians on this earth to be judges.

Until my dying day, you will never ever convince me that 'we judge no man or woman as judgement belongs to God'. When you make this kind of statement you promote false doctrine.

Oz
Hi Oz,,,,
I'm chiming in because I'm on another thread with a member that is telling me I'm using an incorrect term because it's not in the bible...the term is Moral Law. I've been learning and reading about the Moral Law from the time I began to really study scripture.

If we just read the bible and come to our own conclusions,,,we might NOT understand biblical language in general...whereas if we study (to any degree) we do learn many terms that we would not otherwise know.

This does not mean that that anyone is wrong...we just each have our different ways.

And as to judging...you're right.
If we can't judge, how do we know what's right and what isn't?
We can't judge a person's soul...
but we are called to judge their behavior,,,
 
hello NNS

i am a son of God and view everyone in the same light ... in this there is no religion ... i do not judge anyone because from where i see He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. and so who am i to judge Him ....
You sound a little bit like Baha'i, maybe.
And I can agree.

I do not, however, agree that we are not to judge anyone.
We are not to judge their soul. But we can judge their actions.

If what you say is true...then I could just judge everyone to be wonderful and without sin...
and this is how God will judge me.

Nothing is further from the truth.

If Paul tells us not to pass time with immoral persons,,,how are we to follow this rule if we're not allowed to judge who is immoral?
 
I'm sorry but I really don't believe that as I don't see any proof, but even if that was the case that doesn't say anything about him.
I agree that it doesn't say anything about anyone in particular.
And you don't have to believe Europe is atheist....
but it's true nonetheless.
 
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