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If the bible isn't a book where every verse has a symbolic meaning to it, then why do many of the traditional bible teachings have some flaws?
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Truthfrees
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God's words are amazing - love them all even if i don't understand them all
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Every verse has a symbolic meaning. You have to test it out for yourself.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Can you show me the symbolism in the above verses as they read very literal to me.
Many verses are literal and some symbolic like Truthfrees said about Revelations that is a good example of both. If you are seeing everything in scripture as being symbolic the you are not seeing the literal Christ.
Tell me, what's the symbolic meaning of just one of the words in those verses? Also, keep in mind never once on this thread did I claim that some verses can't also have a literal meaning.
Lets start with a easy one: whats the symbolic meaning of fire? If you fail to correctly answer, you are probably not ready to decipher the symbolic meaning of any word that exists
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I'm asking you what the symbolic meaning of just those two scriptures I gave you. You are the one who said and I quote you saying in post # 5 Every verse has a symbolic meaning.
God's word is not flawed, but man does flaw in their understanding when they allow man to teach them apart from the Holy Spirit teaching them first.
Fire symbolizes many things in scripture like that of passion, desire, rebirth, resurrection, eternity, destruction, hope, hell and purification.
Many words are literal, symbolic and can be both within the full context of scripture.
John 1:1 is claiming that God is the very essence of the messages God gives to influence his creation.
John 3:16 is claiming that God gave up his son's life in order save the world. The verse is saying that God saved the world by separating his son from him by putting his son into human flesh inside of this world.
Life = not being separated from God who is in heaven.
The verse is saying that who ever believes in God's son will be given eternal alliance with God, in heaven. God's son is not who the traditional bible teachings say he is.
John 1:1 I don't see the essence as being symbolic, but literal of the word being God's word spoken to us.
John 3:16 there is no symbolism, but literal in what God gave to the world through giving His only begotten Son so we can have eternal life through Him.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
God never left Jesus as he and the Father are one, John 10:30. In John 16:32 Jesus told his disciples they would leave him alone, but Jesus told them he is not alone for my Father is with me. 2 Corinthians 5:19 God was in Jesus reconciling the world to himself.
God never forsook Jesus while he hung on the cross as according to Hebrews 10:7-10 (read the whole Chapter) it was by the offering of the body of Jesus that once and for all we are sanctified through his offering for sin. Jesus was not made sin for us, but made a final offering for us to reconcile ourselves back to the Father as it was ordained by God in the beginning as his word became flesh to walk among us, John 1:1-5 until Jesus now sits at the right hand of God, Matthew 22:44.
Hebrews 13:5 says God will never leave us nor forsake us. God never forsook any of His prophets in the OT so why would He forsake Jesus while he hung on the cross. Psalms 22:1, 24 is prophetic fulfillment of Jesus making a proclamation to those Jews gathered at Golgotha that as David cried out to God in his hour of despair that God never left David and was right there with him and for all who calls on his name will never be alone as the Father will never leave His own.
If God's son is not who the Bible says He is then who is He?
God's son IS who the bible says he is, but not who the traditional bible teachings say he is. The traditional bible teachings are purely men's flawed interpretations of what the original bible & the KJV truly said.
God's son is a man in human flesh who walks the earth today, his title is: "Christ Jesus"
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Truthfrees
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are you saying every verse has ONLY a symbolic meaning?
are you saying every verse cannot also have a literal meaning?
Im saying some verses have both a literal & symbolic meaning & I'm saying not every verse has a literal meaning but every verse has a symbolic meaning.
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Truthfrees
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if every verse has a symbolic meaning is it one specific meaning or can each person derive a personal symbolic meaning from a verse?
what do you mean when you say symbolic vs literal? - do you mean rhema vs logos? - can you describe what the difference is?
are you tying symbolic meaning to this verse? - Psalm 25:14
what makes you say every verse has a symbolic meaning but only some verses have a literal meaning?
Traditional teachings of man can be flawed when they follow a man's doctrine and not the true doctrines of Christ for what He has already taught us.
I'm confused, please clarify. Are you saying Jesus still walks the earth today in human form? If so, this comes against the scriptures of the living Christ that has ascended up to the Father and sits at His right hand making intercession for us before the Father.
what do you mean?
A symbolic verse has words in it that have symbolic meanings. For example, symbolically speaking, the word "male" describes masculine character/a masculine being. The literal meaning for male would be what some men have interpreted to be the true meaning of male in some or all verses.
In short, the symbolic meaning of a word is the main spiritual use of the word. For example, fire is a physical tool, but it is used not just to physically burn things but also to discipline through the physical & mental pain caused by it's burning.
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I've been exposed to undeniable proof that every verse has a symbolic meaning & that some verses have a literal meaning.
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Im saying God's son is not Jesus Christ. I am saying Jesus Christ was God in human flesh, & God's son is the one in the bible who is called "Christ Jesus" rather than "Jesus Christ"
What is your source for this.
1 Corinthians 1:1 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: 3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Take notice of vs. 3 as Paul speaks of God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ being two different beings. There is no difference if we say Jesus Christ or Christ Jesus as He is the second of the God head being Father, Son and Holy Spirit in what is known as the Trinity.
The name Jesus is derived from the Hebrew name Y'shua/Yeshua meaning to deliver/to rescue/redeemer/savior and the list goes on. Yeshua/Y'shua was in common use by the Jews during the second Temple period. There were no vowels in the original Hebrew alphabet as they were added between 600CE and the beginning of the 10th century.
The word Christ is a title, not a given name. It derives from the Greek "Christos" which is a translation of the Hebrew mashiakh meaning anointed. In English it is transliterated as Messiah".
The Hebrew title "Yeshua HaMashiach" meaning the anointed one is conferred on Yeshua by God for mankind's recognition of eternally.
In Exodus 3:14 the personal name of God is revealed to Moses as "I AM". In all reality there are around 72 different names/titles for "I AM" with the most common in English being the name "God". There are 198 names/titles for "Yeshua" commonly known as Jesus in the English language.
people wrote down their false interpretations in the bible of what they thought Jesus Christ said. Everyone has a different father.
Jesus do that he was the truth, he also claimed to be God by using the 'I am' which was reserved for God's use and he also claimed to be one with God.
If you believe that different biblical authors lied or made mistakes you will need to prove your case not just here but to every Christian organisation.