If the bible isn't a book where every verse has a symbolic meaning to it, then why do many of the traditional bible teachings have some flaws?

[for_his_glory]

Youve failed to see the bigger pictures, & you've chosen instead to remain more of a follower than an independent thinker

What are the bigger pictures you speak of? Could it be seeking other gods through a heretical new age enlightenment movement?

There are no independent thinkers who follow the carnal thoughts of their mind when it comes to Christianity. We are followers of Christ for what He has already taught over 2000 years ago as the word of God never changes, but man will twist it and manipulate it to say what they want it to. There are no independent thinkers as all truths come by the Holy Spirit of God in unison of the word of God teaching us all truths, John 14:26.

 

[for_his_glory]

Why do you insist on refusing to do anything but traditional bible theology to guide your thinking about what the bible could say? It's circular reasoning that you've been displaying this entire thread. Just test out some verses & keep an open mind to the theology I presented. What's so hard about that? Are you afraid that the theology I presented could be untrue & if you tested it out youd have wasted a lot of time?

My friend, any time spent towards uncovering biblical truth is nothing short of time well spent. I have no clue why you'd believe otherwise. So you being biased towards the theology I presented is completely ignorant to that.

My question to you is where is your proof in scripture where it speaks of reincarnation? Why are you hesitant to share these scriptures if you want us to learn?

We have shown you the scriptures that disputes that of reincarnation now it's up to you to show us scripture that speaks of reincarnation. The ball is in your court as you have the opportunity to back up what you teach.

 

[ezrider]

for_his_glory and OzSpen

I'm not defending any doctrine of reincarnation here, but I would ask you a simple question:

Do you believe that the Lord God Almighty has the power and capability of reincarnating a soul?

 

[ezrider]

Tell me, what's the symbolic meaning of just one of the words in those verses? Also, keep in mind never once on this thread did I claim that some verses can't also have a literal meaning.

Lets start with a easy one: whats the symbolic meaning of fire? If you fail to correctly answer, you are probably not ready to decipher the symbolic meaning of any word that exists

You search for symbolism in every verse, but chasing down the meanings of the root words in the Strong's Concordance is not the path to Life, for the letter killeth.

If you want to understand the true symbolism of the Bible, then you should start by considering that the Bible is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. All who eat the fruit thereof have sinned Adam's sin and seeketh after a covering. Like the temptation in the garden, there are some who seek after the knowledge of the words of the book, that they might climb up into the seat in the temple of God, showing themselves that they are God: judging the very Word of God.

 

[OzSpen]

for_his_glory and OzSpen

I'm not defending any doctrine of reincarnation here, but I would ask you a simple question:

Do you believe that the Lord God Almighty has the power and capability of reincarnating a soul?

ezrider,

Simple answer is, No! God will not create that which is contrary to his nature and plan for humanity.

His plan is that all human beings will die once (numerically) and after that face judgment (Heb 9:27 NIV).

Since God is immutable, he cannot change his mind about the destiny of all human beings. So, he would not practise reincarnation. As for being capable, that is a superfluous question as His intent is contrary to reincarnation.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

Why do you insist on refusing to do anything but traditional bible theology to guide your thinking about what the bible could say? It's circular reasoning that you've been displaying this entire thread. Just test out some verses & keep an open mind to the theology I presented. What's so hard about that? Are you afraid that the theology I presented could be untrue & if you tested it out youd have wasted a lot of time?

My friend, any time spent towards uncovering biblical truth is nothing short of time well spent. I have no clue why you'd believe otherwise. So you being biased towards the theology I presented is completely ignorant to that.

TiP,

I spend my time in Scripture, 'rightly handling the word of truth' (2 Tim 2:15 ESV). I'm not the slightest bit interested in 'traditional Bible theology'. My core belief in understanding Scripture is to exegete the text.

My plain/literal interpretation of Scripture means I accept figures of speech and symbols as part of literal interpretation.

However, what you are promoting that every word in the Bible has a symbolic meaning is gnosticism. You attempt the find the 'deeper meaning', which is a core gnostic belief.

Why don't you own up to what you do as a promoter of gnosticism? I won't fall for that false teaching.

Oz

 

[Butch5]

Try testing out if it's true

Because sometimes people simply don't understand what they're reading. One's presuppositions can often lead one to draw false conclusions. Many read the Bible in a vacuum. They don't take the historical setting into account. They don't take into account the different cultures that there were at that time. Often people take things out of context and often Christians apply statements to themselves that weren't meant to be applied to them. All of these lead people to come to incorrect conclusions about what the text says.

 

[for_his_glory]

for_his_glory and OzSpen

I'm not defending any doctrine of reincarnation here, but I would ask you a simple question:

Do you believe that the Lord God Almighty has the power and capability of reincarnating a soul?

God is supreme in all power and capable of that which He purposes as His word will not turn back to Him void. No where in scripture doe He teach us that when we die we come back as something else.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.

Genesis 3:19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We return to the dust of the ground when this physical body dies and our breath/spirit returns to God as we wait for Gods final judgment when Christ returns.

It's only Eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism that believe and promote reincarnation. Truth_is_powerful729292 refuses to give us any proof of what he believes and insist that we need to be independent thinkers separate from the word of God. He just expects us to take his word for this.

 

[ezrider]

Simple answer is, No! God will not create that which is contrary to his nature and plan for humanity.

Why would reincarnation be the creation of something contrary? Reincarnation doesn't imply anything created, only recycled.

I find it amusing that your answer was NO to God having the power and capability of reincarnating a soul, when you would defend to your death that God has the power and capability of raising the dead.

His plan is that all human beings will die once (numerically) and after that face judgment (Heb 9:27 NIV).

And yet Paul says we die daily

Since God is immutable, he cannot change his mind about the destiny of all human beings. So, he would not practise reincarnation. As for being capable, that is a superfluous question as His intent is contrary to reincarnation.

You said since God is immutable, he can not change his mind; yet it is written in the scriptures that God repented of the evil he thought to do to his people. Sounds to me like God can change his mind when he wants. It is the words of the book that do not change.

 

[ezrider]

God is supreme in all power and capable of that which He purposes as His word will not turn back to Him void.

What the heck is this supposed to mean? I asked you a simple question, a YES or NO answer would have been sufficient. But you didn't even answer the question.

No where in scripture doe He teach us that when we die we come back as something else.

Actually it can, or someone could make a case that it does...

Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him,

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Here dust + breath/spirit from God = a living soul. When the flesh dies physically it returns back to the dust of the ground and our spirit is preserved with God for final judgment.

Genesis 3:19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ecc 12:7 then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

We return to the dust of the ground when this physical body dies and our breath/spirit returns to God as we wait for Gods final judgment when Christ returns.

It's only Eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism that believe and promote reincarnation. @Truth_is_powerful729292 refuses to give us any proof of what he believes and insist that we need to be independent thinkers separate from the word of God. He just expects us to take his word for this.

What does any of this have to do with the question I asked you?

 

[JohnDB]

There are only 2 True KJV translations...and the second revision really didn't do much to the first. The third one is actually a scholastic enterprise between Oxford and Cambridge Universities. It was labeled as KJV but King James and all the original translators were dead when this one was made.

And as such the only true would be the autographs made by Moses, David, Solomon and the prophets and the Apostles in the original languages.

So how could an English translation be inspired whatsoever?

Besides...the Geneva Bible has had a larger impact on the English Speaking world anyway.
Until the mass marketing of the Oxford/Cambridge translation of the KJV in the 1900's it was pretty much discarded...the reason for the mass marketing was because the copyright had fallen off. Others required a royalty to be paid.

Today there are many good translations into English. The original manuscripts have been conglomerated into a single common text and distributed freely.

Codex Sinaiticus being the oldest and most complete. (Genesis and Revelation of course were damaged in this tome from 100AD)

 

[for_his_glory]

What the heck is this supposed to mean? I asked you a simple question, a YES or NO answer would have been sufficient. But you didn't even answer the question.



Actually it can, or someone could make a case that it does...

Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him,



What does any of this have to do with the question I asked you?

I would have thought by what I said would have showed you a yes to your question. It's just in me to not just say yes or no, but to also explain my answer. Sorry it was not clear to you.

Those scriptures I gave in Genesis and Ecclesiastes make it clear that God gives us life, being one life and when we die we return back to the dust of the ground as all wait until the resurrection when Christ returns, John 5:28, 29.

You only quoted 1 Corinthians 15:36-38, but neglected the full context of what is being taught as you have to read the full from vs 35-58 to understand these verses are talking about the resurrected body. There is no implication of reincarnation within them.

 

[ezrider]

I would have thought by what I said would have showed you a yes to your question.

A yes to my question means that you believe God possess the power and capability of reincarnating a soul.

It's just in me to not just say yes or no, but to also explain my answer. Sorry it was not clear to you.

Why do you feel the need to explain yourself. Did not Jesus say let your yay's be yay's and your nay's be nay's?

When you feel the need to explain yourself, it shows that you are not really listening or are interested in a conversation, but rather it demonstrates that you only know how to push your own doctrine and theology, and that leaves you in a position of sitting in judgement over the word of God

You only quoted 1 Corinthians 15:36-38,

I only quoted those scriptures as a response to you comment about no where in scripture.

No where in scripture doe He teach us that when we die we come back as something else.

I gave you the verses that explicitly states you come back as something else (thou sowest not that body that shall be,). Just because you believe those verses have to do with the resurrection body does not negate the fact that those words exist within the scripture. That's not nowhere.

 

[for_his_glory]

A yes to my question means that you believe God possess the power and capability of reincarnating a soul.

No, by giving you a yes to your question does not mean that I believe God in all His power and capability would ever reincarnate anyone as all those scriptures I gave explains why as it would come against what He has already taught about life and death.

Why do you feel the need to explain yourself. Did not Jesus say let your yay's be yay's and your nay's be nay's?

When you feel the need to explain yourself, it shows that you are not really listening or are interested in a conversation, but rather it demonstrates that you only know how to push your own doctrine and theology, and that leaves you in a position of sitting in judgement over the word of God

I have no need to explain that which is so clearly written, but to give that which has already been written. It's not my doctrine or theology, but the very word of God for what He has already spoke.

I gave you the verses that explicitly states you come back as something else (thou sowest not that body that shall be,). Just because you believe those verses have to do with the resurrection body does not negate the fact that those words exist within the scripture. That's not nowhere.

Like I already said, 1 Corinthians 15:35-49 is all about the resurrection of our body as nowhere does it state that we die and come back as something else. People are not recycled.

A cross reference for vs 35-38 that explains this better is found in Galatians 6:8.

Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

It's very important to have the full context as anyone can twist scripture to make it say something it does not say.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

Every verse has a symbolic meaning. You have to test it out for yourself.

I agree Israel are Gods people today, pharaoh is the devil, Egypt is the old life. The promised land can be heaven, or it can be a renewed life with Jesus Christ. That is a summary of symbolic context, to most of the old testament books.