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Insight and thoughts? I noticed one thing.... she denounced Jesus to live? interesting!

Peter denied Jesus 3 times before Jesus raised from the dead. When it comes to severe persecution it would not be easy for anyone to hold faith.

That's one reason why I think the Gospel has credibility, because Jesus early followers were willing to go to there death not for what they read, or what they were told, but what they had seen.

We never seen we only read and get told so it's harder. Blessed are they who have not seen yet believed.
 
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Interestingly the early church history I quoted said welcome, but on repentance.
Why forgiveness? It is not your job to forgive a backsliding Christian.

Change the imagery. A Christian tried, convicted of sexual abuse arives at your church.
What do you do?

On talking to them, they do not recognise they have done wrong. Would you welcome them or what?

Accept that person into the house of God and show them the error of their way that they will repent of their actions. Jesus said, he without sin cast the first stone.

If a convicted murder that did prison time and released walked in your church seeking God, would you shun them or would you welcome them into the house of God and help teach them about Christ?
 
My greatest fear is that I would let God down in a situation like this. But I would just have to rely on the Holy Spirit to strengthen me. It is not up to us to judge. Yes I would accept and welcome someone who had been through this. Peter is a great example. When he had received the Holy Spirit he was an amazing leader.

That's all we can do if we are faced with persecution, even to death, to draw on God as He will strengthen us in those situations. With my dying breath I will praise the Lord.

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
 
Accept that person into the house of God and show them the error of their way that they will repent of their actions. Jesus said, he without sin cast the first stone.

If a convicted murder that did prison time and released walked in your church seeking God, would you shun them or would you welcome them into the house of God and help teach them about Christ?
I believe in his post it was stated that they refuse to repent...
 
Persecution of Christians has always been with many dying a martyr's death in many countries. While thinking about these persecutions I wrote this article to share with others and ask the question, what will you do?

Nut shell scenario of what will happen during the first six trumpets of Rev Chapter 8-11 that leads up to the seventh trumpet and the events of Chapter 13 with the beast out of the sea and out of the earth.

God’s wrath is poured out into the world as chastisements for disobedience, but also a warning that man needs to repent and turn back to God before the door of salvation is closed forever.

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our wellbeing will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.


This great mountain burning with fire could be another meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed. There is only one ocean, but divided by four regions as being the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. This would be like the four corners of the earth as being North, South, East and West. The only difference between the ocean and the sea is that the ocean is much larger and feeds into the 108 seas around the world that also flow into our lakes and streams that provide us with fresh drinking water and other sources of food.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. IMO Marshal law will be enforced as we see history repeat itself with many Christians taken captive that did not flee and killed as they refuse to denounce Christ and take the mark. They will also die a martyr's death, Rev 6:9-11, especially vs. 11. Also we are not to fear what man can do to us, Matthew 10:28.

This is where the mark of the beast comes in during the seventh trumpet as this NWO is a Luciferian system of economics, political and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God.
 
It's upon repentance that we acknowledge we are sinners needing God's grace. Whether or not these guys didn't repent, but wanted back into the church doesn't mean that once they were accepted back in that they would eventually repent as the Holy Spirit would convict their hearts. Everyone needs a chance to walk through the door of God's salvation.
 
Who Me I was replying to your previous post sorry I did not see the last one. I would never judge anyone. Even people who judge people :lol
Yet you make judgements about people every day, in chosing where to sit on a bus or train, which checkout queue to use, other drivers, politians, pop stars etc.

There is nothing wrong in making a judgement.
Two rules.
Be prepared to be judged by what ever standard one uses.
Make a judgement based on correct knowledge and judge justly.

In this caseyour judgement could cost you your freedom or your child its inocence.

In represive countries agents are used to find andbetray Christians and they have been know to use lapsed Christians.
An unrepentant sex abuser well use your imagination.
 
I think sexual abuse and not repenting is a bit off topic to what this thread was designed for, yet I will entertain your thought. I believe Paul stated in such a case to give them over to satan for a season and not associate or fellowship with them. I still love them just not the sin. Remember, we are talking apples to oranges here. The 2 do not go hand in hand. Denying Christ and returning to the body afterwards is a form of repentance in itself.

Off topic yes, but both equally serious.
To show them love yes, but also discipline and if unrepentant exclusion.
 
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