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I don’t sense anyone has addressed my underlying question as to why God went down to Sodom and Gomorrah to ascertain whether their sin was as great as the outcry suggested if he was omniscient. In addition, there are other scriptures where God asks questions. If God were omniscient, why did He ask these questions?

For example, in Num 22:9-11, God asked Balaam who the Moabite officials that were with Balaam were:
Num 22:9 God came to Balaam and asked, "Who are these men with you?"
Num 22:10 Balaam said to God, "Balak son of Zippor, king of Moab, sent me this message:
Num 22:11 'A people that has come out of Egypt covers the face of the land. Now come and put a curse on them for me. Perhaps then I will be able to fight them and drive them away.'"

God also asked Satan where he came from and whether he had considered his servant Job:
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."
Gen 19:13 For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.

I have addressed your question, but you refuse to understand that God never went down to Sodom and Gomorrah, but sent His angels down transforming them into the likeness of man to warn Lot in order to get him out of the city before God worked through these two angels to destroy these cities. It's like Elijah in 1 Kings 18:38 it was not Elijah that sent fire down from heaven, but that God sent fire down in order for the people to know who the great "I AM" is in all His power and authority.

You are reading things into scripture that is not there. Do you really think that God did not know who the Moabite officials were or where Satan came from! Yes, God asked them these questions, but it was for there understanding, not God's.
 
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

Melchizedek was a king of God's righteousness found in him, but he was not God.

You need to read the full context in Hebrews 7 as Melchizedek is being compared to Jesus.

Genesis 18:1-6 The lord appeared to him by sending him three angels who are the messengers of God who speak what God gives them to speak. Same with all those other scriptures you posted as you need to read the full context and learn how God works and speaks through his angels in only He can transform them into looking like a man for the purpose of His ministry.

No one can or ever did see God face to face as God does not have a physical body as He is Spirit without form and the glory of His countenance is to brilliant for anyone to look upon and live. That is why He put Moses in the cleft of the rock as He passed by him in Exodus 33:22.

I explained all of this in post #14, but you are not seeing the full context if you are only using one or a few verses without the full.
Post #14 deals with whether we can see God’s face and live. I addressed that in post #15. I will first address the claim that Melchizedek could not have been God because no man can see God and live. I will then address the claim that Melchizedek was not God, but rather, a priest of God.

CLAIM I: MELCHIZEDEK COULD NOT HAVE BEEN GOD BECAUSE NO MAN CAN SEE GOD AND LIVE
I am not stating that Melchizedek was God in his full form and glory. I am saying he was a manifestation of God that was not total. It was a partial manifestation so that He could be seen and perceived. In this way, Melchizedek was like the “man” that wrestled with Jacob and the “Lord” that appeared to Abraham in the form of three men.

Interpreting Exodus 33:20 to mean that no one can see a manifestation of God contradicts other scriptures. For example, Exodus 24:9-10 states that Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and Seventy Elders of Israel “saw the God of Israel.” Exodus 33:20 is not stating that God cannot be seen. It is stating that He cannot be see in his full glory.

When John wrote “no one has seen God” (John 1:18), he was conveying an idea that was not in conflict with the accounts of Moses, Aaron, Jacob, Abraham and other accounts of sightings of God in the Old Testament. Rather, he meant that no person had ever seen God in his totality (i.e., in all of His glory). The accounts we find in the Old Testament sightings of God are partial views of God. When God was revealed to Moses and to others, he hid his face (e.g., Exo 33:23) or took on a form other than his full, true essence:
- He appeared to Moses as an angel through a burning bush (Exo 3:2);
- He appeared to Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu and seventy elders (Exo 24:9-10);
- He appeared to Jacob as a “man” who wrestled him (Gen 32:24-30);
- He appeared to Abraham as “three men” (Gen 18:1-6);
- He appeared to King Nebuchadnezzar as “the Son of God” in the fiery furnace (Dan 3:23-28).

All of these appearances to man were not total and were not in all of God’s glory. While God has manifested himself in manifold ways throughout history, no one has seen God revealed in all His glory. If God were to totally reveal Himself to sinful humans, they would be consumed. Therefore, God transforms and appears in ways that can be seen, but that are not manifestations of God in his full glory. We can “see” him, but not with all of His glory and holiness exhibited. Moreover, God, as an omnipresent being, cannot be fully perceived with human eyes. Only portions of God that He chooses to manifest may be seen by man.

CLAIM II: MELCHIZEDEK WAS NOT GOD, BUT RATHER, A PRIEST OF GOD
The Scriptures, when read as a whole, appear to indicate that Melchizedek was God, or a member of the Godhead (most likely, Jesus). Melchizedek could not have been a human because he had “neither beginning nor end of life” (Heb 7:3). He was immortal. He “remains a priest forever” (Heb 7:3) and is “said to be living” (Heb 7:8). God “alone has immortality” (1Ti 6:16). Melchizedek is “[w]ithout father, without mother, without genealogy” (Heb 7:3). This indicates that Melchizedek must have been God, not a mere mortal man.

Melchizedek held the dual role of king and priest: He was king of Salem and priest of God (Gen 14:18). Jesus also held this dual role: he was a king (Mat 21:5) and priest (Heb 6:20).

Melchizedek was king of Salem. Salem is often used interchangeably with Zion. Consider Psalm 76:2: “His tent [i.e., temple] is in Salem, his dwelling place in Zion.” God dwelled in the temple; therefore, Salem must be Zion. Zion is in turn defined as the “City of David” (2Sa 5:7; 1Ki 8:1), which is generally considered to be Jerusalem. Therefore, Salem, Zion and Jerusalem are interchangeable. Melchizedek is thus king of Salem, the equivalent of king of Zion and king of Jerusalem.

Jesus is, figuratively speaking, king of Zion, which is His holy city Jerusalem. For example, Psalm 2 discusses the Lord’s “Anointed One” (Psa 2:2) who is installed King of Zion (Psa 2:6) and who is the Lord’s Son (Psa 2:7). “Anointed One” and “Son” have been interpreted to refer to Jesus (see, e.g., the NIV Study Bible notes), though it is possibly a reference to King David or any of David’s heirs. If it does mean Jesus, then both Jesus and Melchizedek are King of Zion, which further points to them as being the same person.

There is thus ample evidence to suggest that Melchizedek was an appearance of Jesus in the Old Testament.

for_his_glory wrote that “Melchizedek was a king of God's righteousness found in him, but he was not God.” I would point out that Hebrews states that Jesus is a priest. Specifically, Jesus is “a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek” (Heb 5:6). Therefore, it is possible that Melchizedek could be Jesus, who is God, and at the same time, a priest of God. This is because Jesus is a person separate from God, but at the same time, He is God. The mysterious nature of the Trinity allows one of its persons to hold dual roles, just as Jesus, who is God, prayed to God in the Garden of Gethsemane.
 
Nothing is "hidden" from the Lord. God did know as the judgment had already been made and was carried out. The angels may not have known nor Abraham. For their sake God let them see/know the extent of the evil perhaps to bring them some comfort as they were destroying people as God had commanded.
If that were the case, I would expect God to say, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down to show the angels and Abraham the extent of their sin."

Instead, God said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know" (Gen 18:20-21).

In other words, rather than state that He will go down to show Abraham and the angels the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah, He says He will go down to see if what they did was as bad as the outcry that reached him, so that he would know.

This indicates that the three men who visited Abraham, whom the scriptures identify as the "LORD" (Gen 18:20) did not know the extent of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah before the angels went down.
 
If that were the case, I would expect God to say, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down to show the angels and Abraham the extent of their sin."

Instead, God said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know" (Gen 18:20-21).

In other words, rather than state that He will go down to show Abraham and the angels the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah, He says He will go down to see if what they did was as bad as the outcry that reached him, so that he would know.

This indicates that the three men who visited Abraham, whom the scriptures identify as the "LORD" (Gen 18:20) did not know the extent of the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah before the angels went down.
They could not hide what they do from Gods Spirit. God informed Abraham what He was about to do. Abraham pleaded for them. Angels do not have Gods eyes. I believe they were allowed to investigate for their sake and the sake of the reader that all could see and know the extent of the wickedness. In the end Gods judgment was carried out.

The judgement was already made before the visit. "God" knew.
When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?
 
I don’t sense anyone has addressed my underlying question as to why God went down to Sodom and Gomorrah to ascertain whether their sin was as great as the outcry suggested if he was omniscient. In addition, there are other scriptures where God asks questions. If God were omniscient, why did He ask these questions?

For example, in Num 22:9-11, God asked Balaam who the Moabite officials that were with Balaam were:
Num 22:9 God came to Balaam and asked, "Who are these men with you?"
Num 22:10 Balaam said to God, "Balak son of Zippor, king of Moab, sent me this message:
Num 22:11 'A people that has come out of Egypt covers the face of the land. Now come and put a curse on them for me. Perhaps then I will be able to fight them and drive them away.'"

God also asked Satan where he came from and whether he had considered his servant Job:
Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."

Well, you sense wrong. It is clear you are not looking for an explanation. You think you have found some so-called contradiction concerning God. And no explanation will suffice. Explanations have been given.

Be happy with your non-omniscient god you create. You have provided nothing to show that the God of the Bible is not omniscient, and that I should change my opinion of God.

Quantrill
 
In regard to the Father as is written about the Son. I would state, "All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge reside with Him." In regard to the Father as is also the Son I would state, "Nothing is hidden from Him" The Father always makes sure His plans prevail as He has made known the end before it has happened.
Even the thoughts and attitudes of mans hearts are known by God. Even the number of hairs on your head is known by God.
The outcry of Nineveh was also known to the Lord. He gave them 40 days. They believed God and did not seek to bring harm to Jonah. They repented and God relented.

This is the rebuke Jesus gave to those who didn't believe He was from God. If He performed the miracles He performed for the Israelites in Sodom they would have repented and would still exist that day. Therefore they will have a better judgment. This suggests to me they were judged according to the flesh only. For they died apart from any law given and before the light of Jesus had been given.
 
Specifically, Jesus is “a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek” (Heb 5:6).
Re-read this again. It says after the order of Melchizedek, meaning just as he was a kingly priest unto God's righteousness so would be the order of Jesus when He would begin His ministry here on earth. Two separate persons. Melchizedek was a shadow in the OT of what Jesus would be in the NT. The OT always shadows who Christ is from the beginning as comparisons are given.
 
In regard to the Father as is written about the Son. I would state, "All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge reside with Him." In regard to the Father as is also the Son I would state, "Nothing is hidden from Him" The Father always makes sure His plans prevail as He has made known the end before it has happened.
Even the thoughts and attitudes of mans hearts are known by God. Even the number of hairs on your head is known by God.
The outcry of Nineveh was also known to the Lord. He gave them 40 days. They believed God and did not seek to bring harm to Jonah. They repented and God relented.

This is the rebuke Jesus gave to those who didn't believe He was from God. If He performed the miracles He performed for the Israelites in Sodom they would have repented and would still exist that day. Therefore they will have a better judgment. This suggests to me they were judged according to the flesh only. For they died apart from any law given and before the light of Jesus had been given.
We can take this a step further back as God's plan of salvation in Christ was before the foundation of the world. This too shows that God knows everything that will happen, even before it does. Man tries to limit God's omniscient thinking they can hide from God, Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? Do we really think God did not know the location of Adam in the garden!
 
We can take this a step further back as God's plan of salvation in Christ was before the foundation of the world. This too shows that God knows everything that will happen, even before it does. Man tries to limit God's omniscient thinking they can hide from God, Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? Do we really think God did not know the location of Adam in the garden!
That's predictive as God is the only without sin. No other God will be formed after Him. Even a third of the angels sinned. How much more so then man in the weakness of flesh. God has laid down His plans from start to finish and watches to make sure they come to pass. God sees and understands all things. Mans spirit as in volume is only in our body. So as in volume Gods Spirit covers the earth and possibly all the heavens. As in vast.

In Ezekiel the evil they did under the temple was not hidden from God.

I know from the Lord nothing is hidden from Him just as I know from Him in any judgments made it will be His words that prevail. I know Him. He knows me.

So in God all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge abide. And with His understanding and eyes He will see what coming to pass. He will make sure His words and plans will prevail.

God is active in His plans.
The LORD said to me, "You have seen correctly, for I am watching to see that my word is fulfilled."
 
In regard to the Father as is written about the Son. I would state, "All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge reside with Him." In regard to the Father as is also the Son I would state, "Nothing is hidden from Him" The Father always makes sure His plans prevail as He has made known the end before it has happened.
Even the thoughts and attitudes of mans hearts are known by God. Even the number of hairs on your head is known by God.
The outcry of Nineveh was also known to the Lord. He gave them 40 days. They believed God and did not seek to bring harm to Jonah. They repented and God relented.

This is the rebuke Jesus gave to those who didn't believe He was from God. If He performed the miracles He performed for the Israelites in Sodom they would have repented and would still exist that day. Therefore they will have a better judgment. This suggests to me they were judged according to the flesh only. For they died apart from any law given and before the light of Jesus had been given.
I do not believe it can be said that Jesus is omniscient. In Mark 13:31-32, Jesus said that He did not know the hour when heaven and earth will pass away:

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mark 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

In Matthew, Jesus’ words are similar:
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
 
They could not hide what they do from Gods Spirit. God informed Abraham what He was about to do. Abraham pleaded for them. Angels do not have Gods eyes. I believe they were allowed to investigate for their sake and the sake of the reader that all could see and know the extent of the wickedness. In the end Gods judgment was carried out.

The judgement was already made before the visit. "God" knew.
When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?
I don't believe the text supports the view that God made up His mind to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah before the angels went down to witness the sin.

God said: "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know" (Gen 18:20-21).

It does not state, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and destroy them."

When the Lord said in Genesis 18:17, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?" I believe He meant that He would send His angels to Sodom and Gomorrah to determine whether their sin was as bad as the outcry that reached God.

It is possible that God said to Abraham before the angels were sent that He intended to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. However, it is not recorded in Scripture.
 
jmt356 I'm not going to argue this with you, but if you click on this link below it will explain it better than I have. It was to long to copy and paste in here.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/920-questions-about-melchizedek

I have opened a separate discussion to whether Melchizedek is God and/or Jesus as it is an ancillary question to the issue of this thread on God's omniscience. The thread on Melchizedek is now at https://christianforums.net/Fellows...was-melchizedek-god-if-so-was-he-jesus.85440/. I address one issue with the Christian Courier article you posted.
 
I don't believe the text supports the view that God made up His mind to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah before the angels went down to witness the sin.

God said: "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know" (Gen 18:20-21).

It does not state, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and destroy them."

When the Lord said in Genesis 18:17, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?" I believe He meant that He would send His angels to Sodom and Gomorrah to determine whether their sin was as bad as the outcry that reached God.

It is possible that God said to Abraham before the angels were sent that He intended to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. However, it is not recorded in Scripture.
you should believe this about God
"Nothing is hidden from Him"
 
I do not believe it can be said that Jesus is omniscient. In Mark 13:31-32, Jesus said that He did not know the hour when heaven and earth will pass away:

Mark 13:31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mark 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

In Matthew, Jesus’ words are similar:
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mat 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
The Father by His own authority kept that date to Himself. Nothing on this earth is hidden from the Lord.
 
The Father by His own authority kept that date to Himself. Nothing on this earth is hidden from the Lord.
Because the Father did not reveal the day and the hour to Jesus, Jesus did not know the day and the hour. Therefore, Jesus did not know all things.
 
If God is omniscient, why did He ask Satan where he came from in Job 1:7?

Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."

If God is omniscient, wouldn't He already have known where Satan came from?
 
If God is omniscient, why did He ask Satan where he came from in Job 1:7?

Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."

If God is omniscient, wouldn't He already have known where Satan came from?
For the sake of the reader and/or to make a point with Satan.

The Spirit acts on the point of Gods will.
He did not have to state this.
This was for mans sake as in the reader.
Then he said to me, "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to it, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Come, breath, from the four winds and breathe into these slain, that they may live.'"

Again I state in this manner all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge reside in the Father and Son. And nothing is hidden from Him. As in Sodom and the surrounding towns/cities.

Abraham asked this because He knew Gods judgment. It had been made and was carried out.
Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?

By allowing Abraham to ask His questions in regard to intercession it gave Abraham comfort and understanding how how wicked the area had become. Because Abraham knew when the judgment was carried out that not even 10 righteous people were found.

God stated the outcry had reached Him. He knew.
 
If God is omniscient, why did He ask Satan where he came from in Job 1:7?

Job 1:7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."

If God is omniscient, wouldn't He already have known where Satan came from?
Job 1:7 Whence comest thou?

I'm paraphrasing for the sake of clarity.

I came to and fro throughout the earth seeking who I could destroy as I came among the sons of Job seeking to destroy them.

The perspective here is not that God did not know where Satan was, but that Satan was walking to and fro in the earth seeking in whom he could devour as he came among the sons of Job when they presented themselves before the Lord as Satan always tries to buffet our prayers when we come to God as his only thing to do is to try and steal our faith, 1 Peter 5:8.

The answer to your question is found in Job 1:7-12 Where are you coming from that you think you could destroy my servant Job and then God proved that no matter what He allowed Satan to inflict on Job he could never steal his faith in God.
 
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