What's new
  • Do not use Chrome Incognito when registering as it freezes the registration page.
  • Guest, Join Papa Zoom today for some uplifting biblical encouragement! --> Daily Verses
  • No longer will OSAS vx OSNAS be allowed to be debated, argued, or discussed in theology forum. Too much time is required to monitor and rescources used to debate this subject which hasn't been definitively decided in 3,000 years.

Is the Prophet Mohammed Turning in his grave

Andyintheuk

Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
239
Gender
Male
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/17/eight-dead-30-wounded-suicide-bomb-attack-pakistan/

Are the perpetrators of these mindless crass atrocities a few idiots on the fringes of Islam or a groundswell of increasingly mainstream Islamics with many sympathisers and supporters?

Is Islam a peaceful or a warrior religion, convert or die?

O You who have believed! Do not take the Jews and Christians as your allies (Auliya). They are allies of one another. He among you who takes them for allies is one of them. God does not guide the oppressive folks. Quran, 5:51

I love the few Muslims I know. Many that I know first and 2nd hand are questioning the values of their faith that seems to support these atrocities and other questionable practices such as honour killings, forced marriage, enforced burqa etc.

Please pray that many more Muslims will come to the conclusion that Jesus stated: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
 

for_his_glory

Light in darkness
Supporter
Joined
Apr 22, 2011
Messages
11,367
Gender
Female
Christian
Yes
From the early days of Islam to today's globally televised beheading's, Muslims are simply acting-out what Mohammed believed, and what the Quran teaches. And when Quranic Law was given the opportunity to govern, its violent, 7th century intolerance was seen through the eyes of Afghanistan's Taliban - a view of converting and uniting the Arab world under Islamic Law by sword first, and everyone else second.

What truly is at the heart of the Islamist hatred today is no different than that which fueled Mohammad's hatred as he wrote the Quran. It is the belief and goal of a one-world, global Islamic empire run by Quranic Law whereby everyone must, in the end, convert to their fundamentalist ideology or face beheading. The hatred that fuels this theocracy dates back to Ishmael and his son-in-law Esau, and from there, compounded to form the foundations of Islamicism which is the reason why most of the world conflicts today involve Muslims.
 

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
We hear all kinds of things about islam, some say its peaceful others say its not, but nothing can explain islam better than islams most trusted sources, the quran and the sahih hadiths.
 
Last edited:

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
muhammad was never a prophet..
But he did believe his first revelations, that was only a bad dream, were demonic.

The amazing thing is, the source didnt change.
 
Last edited:

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
It is amazing how even Mohamud himself believed his first revelations were crooked, and after he was convinced by his wife and her cousin he must be a prophet, even they were not there or witness anything, he continued to recieve these revelations from the same source. The revelator didnt change.

So Mohamud thinks his revelations were demonic and he was possesed and was freaking out and wanted to jump off a mountain to not have shame with his tribe, then two people, his own wife and her cousin say the revelations must be from God surely you are a prophet, so Mohamud believes them, then he continues recieving these revelations by the same revelator he believed was evil and possesed him to the point of suicide.

Then when the revelations stopped for a short period he got suicidal again.

Delusional.
 
Last edited:

Jim Parker

Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
11,259
Gender
Male
Christian
Yes
Are the perpetrators of these mindless crass atrocities a few idiots on the fringes of Islam or a groundswell of increasingly mainstream Islamics with many sympathisers and supporters?
Is Islam a peaceful or a warrior religion, convert or die?
Have you read the Koran?
Those perpetrators of atrocities Re fundamentalist Muslims.
Please pray that many more Muslims will come to the conclusion that Jesus stated: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
I pray for them daily.
 

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
History of Al-tabari Volume V1 p 93
The Messenger of Allah proclaimed Allah's message openly and declaired islam publicly to his fellow tribesmen. When he did so, they did not withdraw from him or reject him in any way, until he spoke of there gods and denounced them.


Notice how the pagans of mecca had no problem with Mohamud until he dennounce there gods. We are told by world leaders we should never offend other peoples faiths.

History of Al-tabari Volume V1 p 101
We have never seen the like of what we have endured from this man. He has derided our traditional values, abused our forefathers, reviled our religion, caused division among us, and insulted our gods. We have endured a great deal from him.


For those who don't know the Al Tabari. They are first of the two large works, generally known as the Annals (Arabic Tarikh al-Tabari). This is a universal history from the time of Qur'anic Creation to 915, and is renowned for its detail and accuracy concerning Muslim and Middle Eastern history. Tabari's work is one of the major primary sources for historians.

Thats great, we like the most trusted and accurate sources available.
 
Last edited:

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
Islam is peace because the quran is peace.

Surah 9:111
Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight (love) in the cause of Allah , so they kill (love) and are killed (loved).
 

Andyintheuk

Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
239
Gender
Male
I sometimes like to compare and contrast. From what little I know of Islamic religion, quite a few have tried to explain this to me, maybe I'm slow or maybe there is no answer, but Islam does not seem to have a truly definitive solution to sin, other than trying harder to be better?

When the first man sinned that set God and man on a collision course because God cannot put up or come to terms with sin, whether it's one little sin or mass murder, it's very binary - sin or perfection. Jesus died and took on the punishment that was ours so just by saying yes to Jesus, you're free from the punishment of sin. Free from sin, believers have a one2one walk and relationship with God here and now and a 1st class reservation to Heaven. I've not heard of an equivalent solution to the 'sin problem'. Is there one?
 

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
I sometimes like to compare and contrast. From what little I know of Islamic religion, quite a few have tried to explain this to me, maybe I'm slow or maybe there is no answer, but Islam does not seem to have a truly definitive solution to sin, other than trying harder to be better?

When the first man sinned that set God and man on a collision course because God cannot put up or come to terms with sin, whether it's one little sin or mass murder, it's very binary - sin or perfection. Jesus died and took on the punishment that was ours so just by saying yes to Jesus, you're free from the punishment of sin. Free from sin, believers have a one2one walk and relationship with God here and now and a 1st class reservation to Heaven. I've not heard of an equivalent solution to the 'sin problem'. Is there one?
In islams most trusted source, allah is not just when it comes to sin because he somehow sweeps sin under a rug.
 
Last edited:

Andyintheuk

Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
239
Gender
Male
Are you somehow agreeing with my point that Islam fails to deal with the issue of sin? Are Muslims left hoping that they've done enough or trying to deflect the blame on the Jews and Christians? There's not the certainty you get with just saying yes to Jesus is there?

Is there no quran equivalent to: 'For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son so that whoever believes in Him WILL have everlasting life?'
 

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes
Are you somehow agreeing with my point that Islam fails to deal with the issue of sin? Are Muslims left hoping that they've done enough or trying to deflect the blame on the Jews and Christians? There's not the certainty you get with just saying yes to Jesus is there?

Is there no quran equivalent to: 'For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten son so that whoever believes in Him WILL have everlasting life?'
There is plenty of sources out there. Im not the most knowledgable on these things as im not a scholor.
 
Last edited:

kiwidan

Supporter
Joined
Feb 17, 2013
Messages
12,929
Christian
Yes

There has never been a greater attack on Jesus and Paul than the false prophet that come and consumed the biblical earth.
 
Last edited:

Andyintheuk

Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2017
Messages
239
Gender
Male
Thanks Kiwidan. I’m beginning to learn a little bit more about Islam but this so far I can’t see any Islamic answer or solution to the central and crucial sin problem.

In John’s gospel chapter 3 Jesus said the only way to get into Heaven is by being re-born, born a 2nd time, only this time in perfection by saying yes to Him.

The Bible tells me that even if natural man were theoretically able to get past Jesus and enter into Heaven to be with God, that man wouldn’t be able to cope being with God whilst in a polluted sin stained state. I’m pretty sure that man would actually be better off and have an easier time in Hell than Heaven. Read the.account of Moses’s glimpse of God’s back :

“And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.” Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” And the LORD said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.””
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭33:18-23‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The sin question has to be dealt with, there’s no sweeping it under the carpet. Now have a look at John’s epistle chapter 3:

“Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

You need to make sure that your sins great and small are sorted, or keep looking for that solution. Good luck in your quest
 

godsquadgeek

Member
Joined
Sep 1, 2017
Messages
4,634
Obama targeted Christian Churches and Conservative Charities with the IRS, but ordered investigations into Hezbollah to be stopped. Let that sink in. Is Obama catering to Islam or chrisrianity? Trump made executive order protecting Christians in his first few months.
 

Jim Parker

Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
11,259
Gender
Male
Christian
Yes
Obama targeted Christian Churches and Conservative Charities with the IRS, but ordered investigations into Hezbollah to be stopped. Let that sink in. Is Obama catering to Islam or chrisrianity? Trump made executive order protecting Christians in his first few months.
Obama is a Muslim communist.
He promoted the Muslim Brotherhood with his "Arab Spring" garbage that Hilary went to the Arabs to promote.
He refused to even see the leader of Israel when he visited the USA.
He enabled the world's primary terrorist state, Iran, to acquire nuclear weapons.
He supported the Muslim Brotherhood rebellion against Qaddafi resulting in the chaos in Libya.
He intentionally withdrew US forces from Iraq before they were ready to keep ISIS subdued so that ISIS could promote the Caliphate by force of Arms.
He supported with weapons the gaggle of terrorist organizations which he and the media labeled "insurgents" in Syria.
His policies resulted in the "peaceful" Muslim invasion of Europe.
He used US money and resources to promote terrorism in the middle east and north Africa.
Obama is a terrorist.
 
Joined
Jun 1, 2015
Messages
2,515
Christian
Yes
But he did believe his first revelations, that was only a bad dream, were demonic.

The amazing thing is, the source didnt change.
Obama is a Muslim communist.
He promoted the Muslim Brotherhood with his "Arab Spring" garbage that Hilary went to the Arabs to promote.
He refused to even see the leader of Israel when he visited the USA.
He enabled the world's primary terrorist state, Iran, to acquire nuclear weapons.
He supported the Muslim Brotherhood rebellion against Qaddafi resulting in the chaos in Libya.
He intentionally withdrew US forces from Iraq before they were ready to keep ISIS subdued so that ISIS could promote the Caliphate by force of Arms.
He supported with weapons the gaggle of terrorist organizations which he and the media labeled "insurgents" in Syria.
His policies resulted in the "peaceful" Muslim invasion of Europe.
He used US money and resources to promote terrorism in the middle east and north Africa.
Obama is a terrorist.
I didn't think anyone else was paying attention. What does that say about how he got elected 2nd. term? I still can not figure out the American people? Give me your thoughts on he made a 2nd. term?
 

Jim Parker

Member
Joined
Apr 17, 2015
Messages
11,259
Gender
Male
Christian
Yes
I didn't think anyone else was paying attention. What does that say about how he got elected 2nd. term? I still can not figure out the American people? Give me your thoughts on he made a 2nd. term?
First, I think Mitt Romney rand a very dull and ineffective campaign. (I'm not all that sure he wanted to win.)
He tried to "reach out" to the alleged undecided rather than going to his base.
He did not hammer Obama on the debacle in Benghazi or his arming of the Syrian terrorists.
He reminded me of Bob Dole running against Billy-Jeff Clinton. Mr. cold spaghetti against Mr. Charisma.

Also, consider that half the voters voted for Hilary Clinton who, if one is paying attention, was complicit in the murder of our four men in Benghazi; took a $10 million bribe from the Russians (while husband Billy-Jeff collected another $500,000 "for a speech") to OK the sale of our uranium to them. They ignored the trail of dead bodies that crop up any time the Clintons are in town. In my opinion, they would vote for the devil himself as long as he ran as a Democrat.

Obama was the Democrat and, IMO, Democrats vote party line without any thought of who that might be.

IT appears that most Democrats are very liberal and have no problem with giving more and more control of their lives to a more and more powerful central government.

Compare the campaign that Romney ran with the campaign that Trump ran. Republican voters (not the wealthy, elite, inside the beltway, RINO entrenched oligarchy and their rich patrons) responded to what Trump had to say. Romney put them to sleep.

That's kind of scattered but, then, so am I. :confused2

iakov the fool
 

Help Support this site

Total amount
$737.00
Goal
$5,020.00
Top