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Is this an acurate description of "Fundamentalist"

Is this an acurate description of "Fundamentalist" thinking?

  • 1. Yes, for the most part I can see this as an accurate description of MANY, not ALL Fundamentalist

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Psychological traits of fundamentalism:

A strictly hierarchical and authoritarian worldview. Everything has to have a First, a Somebody in Charge. In any partnership, one partner has to have the deciding vote. Groups and societies work best with rigidly defined roles and stratifications. (There are people who believe this way who are not fundamentalists: at least, not religious fundamentalists.)

Ethical development at the "reward and punishment" stage: morality must be defined and enforced by an external authority.

A lot of guilt and fear about sex.

Basic distrust of human beings; certainty that "uncontrolled," human beings will be bad and vicious, particularly in sexual ways.

Low tolerance for ambiguity. Everything must be clear cut, black and white. Nothing can be "possibly true but unproven at this time, we're still studying it." Fundamentalists regard science as flawed precisely because science changes. (A striking characteristic of fundamentalists is that their response to any setback which may instill doubt is to step up evangelizing for converts.)

Literalism, usually including a limited sense of humor.

Distrust of their own judgment, or any other human being's judgment.
Fear of the future. The driving motivation of fundamentalism appears to outsiders to be fear that oneself or the group one identifies with is losing power and prerequisites and is in danger from others who are gaining power. This is not how fundamentalists put it.

A low self-esteem that finds satisfaction in being one of the Elect, superior to all others. It seems to be particularly rewarding to know that rich people have a real hard time getting into Heaven.

The life experience of fundamentalist that seems to encourage these traits include:

Conditional love: parents, or other authority figures, withheld love to control behavior.

Other factors -- sometimes mental, emotional, or even physical abuse -- that minimized self-esteem.

For those who grew up fundamentalist, the church was the central activity of family life, all else was subsidiary to the church, and social interaction with "non-believers" was discouraged, except when evangelizing.

Those who have converted to fundamentalism often grew up without any firm philosophical framework, or experienced some trauma that destroyed their former framework. They were at a time in their lives when they needed absolute Answers.

Fundamentalist groups reinforce these traits:

They insist on a rigid hierarchy of authority. The more extreme the group, the more authority is concentrated in one central figure.

The group, and the authority figure(s) within the group, withhold or bestow love to control behavior. Misbehaving members are cut off from communication.

They magnify current social and individual evils and dwell on the "innate wickedness of man."

Sexual "immorality" is often their central cause.

They promote a Truth which is superior to all other truths because it is absolute and unchanging.

They promote distrust of one's personal judgment, being subject instead to the given truths of the group, the judgment of the church as a body, or the proclamations of a central authority figure.

They are apocalyptic, foretelling an immanent and horrifying future which only the faithful will survive. Any disaster in the news is magnified as "a sign of the apocalypse.
 
Re: Is this an acurate description of "Fundamentalist&q

Soma-Sight said:
Psychological traits of fundamentalism:
A strictly hierarchical and authoritarian worldview.

Agree somewhat that this is a trait.
Ethical development at the "reward and punishment" stage: morality must be defined and enforced by an external authority.
Agree somewhat that this is a trait
A lot of guilt and fear about sex.
Strongly agree that this is a trait
Basic distrust of human beings; certainty that "uncontrolled," human beings will be bad and vicious, particularly in sexual ways.
Agree a little that this is a trait
Low tolerance for ambiguity. Everything must be clear cut, black and white. Nothing can be "possibly true but unproven at this time, we're still studying it." Fundamentalists regard science as flawed precisely because science changes. (A striking characteristic of fundamentalists is that their response to any setback which may instill doubt is to step up evangelizing for converts.)
Agree very strongly that this is a trait - this is where I think the fundamentalist worldview simply is not true to the "data of life"
Literalism, usually including a limited sense of humor.
Agree with the part about literalism - fundamentalists would of course see this as a strength
Distrust of their own judgment, or any other human being's judgment.
Strongly agree that this is a trait - I beleive that fundamentalism is partly driven by a (possibly sub-conscious) desire to be "told what to believe, think, and do". This is not so problematic until one abdicates personal responsibility for what one ultimately chooses to believe and do.
Fear of the future. The driving motivation of fundamentalism appears to outsiders to be fear that oneself or the group one identifies with is losing power and prerequisites and is in danger from others who are gaining power. This is not how fundamentalists put it.
I have not come to this conclusion re fundamentalists.
A low self-esteem that finds satisfaction in being one of the Elect, superior to all others. It seems to be particularly rewarding to know that rich people have a real hard time getting into Heaven.
I have not come to this conclusion re fundamentalists.

I happen to believe that fundamentalism has a number of significant weaknesses. On the other hand, I am certainly not drawn to a form of Christianity that is liberal to the point that, for example, it denies the reality of God and the necessity of redemption through Christ's sacrifice (how such redemption can actually be attained is a whole 'nuther controversy).

I see no reason why people cannot claim a form of Christianity which uncompromisingly holds to certain foundational doctrines - divinity of Christ, necessity of redemption through acceptance of Christ (however actually achieved), existence of sin, value of the Scriptures in disclosing the character of God, etc while not embracing other doctrines / concepts which seem to me to be incorrect - literalism, inerrancy, anti-intellectualism, young earth, overly uptight attitudes towards human sexuality, etc.)

There is a lot of explanation that should be added. This is a large topic.
 
Would you or would you not consider the words fundamental and foundational are interchangable in this case? (and in most cases actually)

Again I say, what is being described here is basically a form of radical fundamentalism. Pretty ironic, since Soma is a bit of a radical himself. 8-)

Soma, admit it, you are anti-establishment, to a certain degree. But lets not try to put Jesus into that same anti-establishment mold. That is a 'hippylike' mentality. I used to think the same way in the 70's. "Jesus must have been a hippie. He had long hair and taught peace" was the train of thought back then. We don't know for sure He had long hair. Also, as I read and learn more about His teachings and ministry, I find He wasn't really anti-establishment, other than for His distaste for the Religious establishment of His time.

I find His teachings to be both fundamental and revolutionary.
 
A strictly hierarchical and authoritarian worldview. Everything has to have a First, a Somebody in Charge. In any partnership, one partner has to have the deciding vote. Groups and societies work best with rigidly defined roles and stratifications. (There are people who believe this way who are not fundamentalists: at least, not religious fundamentalists.)

Agree.

Ethical development at the "reward and punishment" stage: morality must be defined and enforced by an external authority.

Agree.

A lot of guilt and fear about sex.

Maybe externally. But a lot of those fundies are often the ones that would rationalize extra-marital sex and adultery.

Basic distrust of human beings; certainty that "uncontrolled," human beings will be bad and vicious, particularly in sexual ways.

Agree. But then again, who really can or does really trust human beings anyway? And uncontrolled humans will often have uncontrolled sexuality. I think they should have the freedom though.

Low tolerance for ambiguity. Everything must be clear cut, black and white. Nothing can be "possibly true but unproven at this time, we're still studying it." Fundamentalists regard science as flawed precisely because science changes. (A striking characteristic of fundamentalists is that their response to any setback which may instill doubt is to step up evangelizing for converts.)

Agree.

Literalism, usually including a limited sense of humor.

Agree.

I'll just stop there and say that I agree that most of that is accurate.[/quote]
 
I am a fundamentalist to the core and this is not representative of myself. This is like saying you can pin down the traits of a pagan with a few observations of one.
 
Actually that pretty much sums up the 'cultish' church I grew up in. You've just described my life! It was quite upsetting reading that actually but it is very true!

I'm out of there now but I am constantly finding things that need to be worked on and damage that need to be healed. Praise God he's helping me through these things.
 
I would consider myself a fundamentalist.

A Christian fundamentalist is someone who adheres to the fundamentals of the faith...

I don't know of any true fundamentalists who would justify adultery.

That is fundamentally wrong! ;-)

I am a bible believer. I look to the scriptures as my final authority for faith and practice.

If that makes me a fundamentalist then I happily accept the label.
 
BB - you must read it again. This is fundementalism gone wrong. There's nothing wrong with sticking to the fundementals of Christianity but when you use it to control others and put one sin above another etc etc (basically all that is said in the OP) then it's wrong! There is something wrong with it because it's 'cultish' and not the 'true' fundementalism that you are referring to.
 
Merry Menagerie said:
BB - you must read it again. This is fundementalism gone wrong. There's nothing wrong with sticking to the fundementals of Christianity but when you use it to control others and put one sin above another etc etc (basically all that is said in the OP) then it's wrong! There is something wrong with it because it's 'cultish' and not the 'true' fundementalism that you are referring to.

Hi,

I agree with you. The only thing I am saying is that what is described in the opening post isn't biblical fundamentalist teaching at all. It is something else altogether.

You wrote in your post "and not the true fundamentalism that you are referring to".

Satan has been attacking the fundamentals of the faith for centuries.

So, we really don't disagree on this.

God bless,

Robert
 
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