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The Bible does say that there will come times when people will order others to abstain from certain foods (1 Timothy 4:3). Do you think veganism is one of the new age deceptions, one of satan's tools to destroy people's health? What can we make of all the scientific studies that show that a vegan diet reverses certain illnesses? Are they fabricated? Who can we trust? How do we know what's good to eat anymore?
 
The only problem with studies I can see would be potential bias, rooted in money and maybe ideology. I guess trace the study's authors? If they are funded by some vegan think tank or something think twice.
 
The Bible does say that there will come times when people will order others to abstain from certain foods (1 Timothy 4:3). Do you think veganism is one of the new age deceptions, one of satan's tools to destroy people's health? What can we make of all the scientific studies that show that a vegan diet reverses certain illnesses? Are they fabricated? Who can we trust? How do we know what's good to eat anymore?

I think this is a really good question Lucian.
Whether it will be NWO I don't know. There are some religions that promote veganism, such as SDA but they don't force it on anyone, they advise it.
I can eat lamb but all other meat makes me ill. Whole wheat bread is very good for most people but that makes me ill. Cheese is very popular but that makes me ill. I think you have to find out for yourself what suits your body, and nobody has the right to force you to eat what they say.

Medical science change their minds all the time. Don't eat butter eat margarine, then don't eat margarine eat butter.
Who can we trust? Nobody! Work out what is good for you and your family yourself.
 
Well, what are you supposed to do if the doctor recommends you a certain diet and then, if you refuse to follow it, he refuses to see you anymore and tells you that you're on your own?
A doctor is there to advise you but you have the choice of whether you follow that advice. Pray for guidance. It may be good advice

Sometimes the only way you can find out is by trying it.
 
A doctor is there to advise you but you have the choice of whether you follow that advice.
Yes, you do have the choice of whether to follow the advice or not, and he has the choice to refuse to be your doctor if you refuse to follow his advice. So you have the choice between following his advice and not having a doctor.

Also, watch this video, please:

 
Yes, you do have the choice of whether to follow the advice or not, and he has the choice to refuse to be your doctor if you refuse to follow his advice. So you have the choice between following his advice and not having a doctor.

Also, watch this video, please:

If you try what the doctor tells you and find that it isn't helping you can then go back and tell him. He then has a duty to try something else.
Will have to come back later for the video, sound problem.
 
The Bible does say that there will come times when people will order others to abstain from certain foods (1 Timothy 4:3). Do you think veganism is one of the new age deceptions, one of satan's tools to destroy people's health? What can we make of all the scientific studies that show that a vegan diet reverses certain illnesses? Are they fabricated? Who can we trust? How do we know what's good to eat anymore?
It isn't a deception, just a manner of food preference.
Where the vegans' saying "It is a sin to eat meat and dairy!"...it would be deception, as God gave us all things to eat.
It is sanctified by the word of God and prayer, so how can it be bad? (1 Tim 4:5)
To that I will add...be moderate in all things.
Three ponds of "sanctified" ice cream is not good for you.
 
Sorry Lucian I can"t get the sound on the video. I don"t think it is anything to worry about.
 
I think this is a really good question Lucian.
Whether it will be NWO I don't know. There are some religions that promote veganism, such as SDA but they don't force it on anyone, they advise it.
I can eat lamb but all other meat makes me ill. Whole wheat bread is very good for most people but that makes me ill. Cheese is very popular but that makes me ill. I think you have to find out for yourself what suits your body, and nobody has the right to force you to eat what they say.

Medical science change their minds all the time. Don't eat butter eat margarine, then don't eat margarine eat butter.
Who can we trust? Nobody! Work out what is good for you and your family yourself.
I agree, I eat mostly a plant based diet just because it makes me feel good and I’m an animal lover. I say do what’s right for you.
 
That time is of course already here where people abstain from certain foods for a variety of some reasons. I don't think that this is a problem in itself. I mean, I do know some religions that were strictly vegan or vegetarian (have met some seventh day adventists that were to follow that diet and they were not supposed to have any type of caffeine as it "altered judgement"), but I noticed that a lot of them were not in good health this way and struggled to follow such a diet and some of them were slipping chocolate now and then. I don't think a religion or a belief system of such should control how you eat or what you eat if it's not scriptural, and I don't see that as scriptural.

Some people avoid wheat, gluten, peanuts, seafood, citrus, soy, milk, etc. etc. because they are having a crazy amount of health issues with it considering now a days how our gut microbiome isn't as great as it should be. We have such an evolution of diets that have come about like Atkins, paleo, keto, mediterranean, raw food, macrobiotic, etc. Many commercial farms out there are not committed to producing healthy food (sprayed down with pesticides or herbicides, pumping livestock with hormones and food that makes them sick) and have modified some of the foods AGAINST God's design (so why should we even eat it if our conscience tells us no on this part)?

Not all avoidance is bad, I suppose it depends why the avoidance is initiated. What I think of when I think of 1 Timothy 4:3 is Gnosticism and other beliefs that say things of the physical form are evil like the human body, delicious foods, and also Gnostics would reject marriage as they were against all forms of sexuality and they taught people not to eat of certain foods.

Have you heard of the cases of people that believe they can only live off of the fresh air? No sustenance at all? There have been some of those people out there and unfortunately some of them have been parents of children who have starved to death because food was "evil." It's heartbreaking; it's not biblical.

So, 1 Timothy 4:3 says:
3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Notice the sentence "They forbid people to marry AND order them to abstain from certain foods." I would thing that "and" joined the two ideas together to target a specific idea. I could be wrong, but that's how I'm reading it.
 
Yes, you do have the choice of whether to follow the advice or not, and he has the choice to refuse to be your doctor if you refuse to follow his advice. So you have the choice between following his advice and not having a doctor.

Also, watch this video, please:


You make it sound like there is one doctor out there. There are many. People often switch providers because of insurance reasons, personal preference, etc.

Some people do have health issues and avoiding meat may help them rebound for a few reasons. Sometimes there are a lot of omega 6's in commercialized meats. Avoiding excessive meat can cause an improper omega 6 to omega 3 ratio, which can cause health issues. Some people have gut absorption issues and they may not be able to digest food well. Steamed veggies, green juices, etc. can ease up the burden some people have of breaking down all of that fiber. Most people out there aren't getting as many veggies as they should. Veggies should fill half of our plate per some recommendations at meal time, but many meals don't include veggies at all.

Many modernized western diets go like this: A bowl of cereal for breakfast (usually a lot of carbs and sugar) with milk, a burger with fries, and then lasagna for dinner. High carb, low vegetable, and that alone causes problems. A lot of people are eating more carbs and meat than their bodies actually need and not giving their body enough vegetables. When people eat only vegetables, they are probably meeting that goal so they feel a whole lot better and they stick with it. It's true, in this country our consumption of meat is generally way more than our body will actually use. So these people are probably not imagining they feel better. However, I don't think this type of diet should be long term, the body does need protein as building blocks for many things like your skin, muscle contracting, blood clotting, etc. Vegans and vegetarians have been more creative about getting protein in their diet along with a lot of new products out there these days, but meat has an easier source of iron, zinc, and vitamin b12 that can be beneficial.

The Beyond Meat stills scares me - too much estrogen, grown in a lab, what can go wrong, right? Hopefully it's a market that won't last. Some meat impostors are created using a fungus, which some people can have fatal reactions to. It's not natural to grow meat, I stay away. I don't eat at restaurants that serve it because I don't want my meat replaced. Some places are guilty of making that mistake or running out of beef so they serve you the imitation instead.
 
It is sanctified by the word of God and prayer, so how can it be bad? (1 Tim 4:5)
So anything that God declares good is good even if it causes physical pain to the animals? I don't get it. If we get our moral compass from God, and our moral compass makes our feel pity for the animals, how come God doesn't feel pity for the animals and allowed us to eat them and for them to eat each other?
 
So anything that God declares good is good even if it causes physical pain to the animals? I don't get it. If we get our moral compass from God, and our moral compass makes our feel pity for the animals, how come God doesn't feel pity for the animals and allowed us to eat them and for them to eat each other?

May I suggest you re read what you have written.
Here is a test for you. Who said, " Did God really say? "
And why are you echoing him?
 
The Bible does say that there will come times when people will order others to abstain from certain foods (1 Timothy 4:3). Do you think veganism is one of the new age deceptions, one of satan's tools to destroy people's health? What can we make of all the scientific studies that show that a vegan diet reverses certain illnesses? Are they fabricated? Who can we trust? How do we know what's good to eat anymore?

I never thought about that before. It might be. It sure seems kind of weird and my impression of veganism (is that a word?) was one of amusement and I know I could never be a vegan. I like steak too much and have hunting ingrained into me for many years. I believe that while originally man was meant to eat organically, but after the fall of man God already knew that man would need meat to feed the people for many years...and consequently, many animals destiny is to be eaten and become food. That is the animals portion of suffering while here on earth and it is within God's will that they become food for us. (Praise God for this!)

I've never felt conviction for eating meat. The only time that I ever felt convicted about hunting was when I stood over the very first Deer that I had ever shot while hunting. The thought occured to me that...as the saying goes you're supposed to drink a cup of the blood of the deer...some sort of rite of passage thing or calms the deer's spirit or some gobbledegook like that. But the thought of the scripture came to my mind also, the one which tells us to not drink the blood of animals but to pour it out upon the ground. So I didn't drink the deer blood. But the jerky and steaks was wonderful.

Beyond that, or if you're not a hunter. Just continue to eat what your Mother used to feed you. But, how to know if what we eat nowadays is safe? Oh, my Brother! That is why we pray a blessing over our meal before eating while giving thanks. I've been known to pray, ...please bless my food Lord, and make it clean and nutricious for me to eat. And Bless you Father for being my provider...

Then it's safe to eat. In other scripture it says take no thought for what you will eat. IOW don't worry about it because it's a given that you have given thanks for each meal anyway. And the Lord is not slack in His promises so even if you would drink poison you will not die.
Just don't forget to say the Blessing. :wink
 
May I suggest you re read what you have written.
Done.
Here is a test for you. Who said, " Did God really say? "
The serpent in the Garden of Eden.
And why are you echoing him?
Because that's how I feel. I feel angry against God due to the insufficient knowledge I have in regards to why things work this way. What should I do? I've tried praying, but how does one pray to a God one feels like he disagree with?
 
how does one pray to a God one feels like he disagree with?

Very simple, you admit you are ignorant, repent and start following Jesus's commands.

To be brutal, when your family, your friends and your work colleagues are all practicing Christians then you can start worrying about cute fluffy animals and there ' suffering '.

Face reality, those people I've mentioned face an eternity without God, and you are concerned about animals.

Jesus gave up the glory of heaven to become a man, endured facing a brutal death, before undergoing said death in order that you, me and everyone you know might be saved.

What is important your parents, your friends or a herd of animals?

Jesus died and rose again for people. Suffering in the world, both human and animal is directly linked to sin. You can do something about sin and as a result about the suffering it causes.
 
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