Jeff from france

[Not_Now.Soon]

To 1on0ne.

Hi Jeff from France. I have an idea for you. Something to test your ideas against. It's not a theology, but it is a perspective on discerning what is true and what isn't.

Simply put, it comes down to knowing if what we know and believe are true or not, and being able to correct our misunderstandings if they are corrected. And what determines if they can be corrected? That's the heart of the matter. What is the authority for the truth that can correct us when we are wrong.

Here's the idea.

•The highest authority for what is true and what isn't is God Himself. Anything that comes from Him is the most trustworthy and reliable for both how to be, and for what is true. This includes the bible, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus. It's also worth noting that the bible can be a measure for what is from God and what isn't. If it's not in the bible, but instead counters what is said in the bible then reject it on the same authority that you would reject it from trying to counter what God says. On the other hand, if it's not in the bible, nor talks about a subject in the bible, then that might just mean the topic wasn't the focus of the bible subjects. With this in mind you can still seek God's consol and pray about a matter, but you can also consider if what you believe is true based on other means as well.

-based on what I've read of your views, I think I can say that the idea of reincarnation is counter to what is in the bible. On that alone that point can be rejected, because it is counter to what the bible says.

•The second highest authority on discerning what's true and what isn't, is based on our experiences. Firstly your own experiences because they are the things you can quantify from what you saw, heard, felt, or otherwise have been through. However, this second set of authority should also include the experiences of others as well. And those who are older to be counted as more seasoned in their experiences of life, which makes their consol worth more based on that.

What this means to have experience as an authority for truth, is that experience can correct our misconceptions. You believe that the world works one way, until you find out that it doesn't because of life turning out different then your expectations. While experience doesn't always show the the truth, it acts as a knife that cuts away the fat of lies, cons, and misdirection. A well spoken lawer can defend his client based on ideals and alternating views, but a witness as young as a child can point out the criminal who they say killed, or stole, or commited any act that they saw. That is the authority that experience has. It can correct any idea based on what really happens.

-the issue with experience is that though it can correct us when we are wrong, that doesn't mean we understand what is right after we are corrected. Both seeking God, and seeking our own wisdom are our ways to finding out what is correct. But experience should be accepted as the correction to our false ideas.

•The last authority for our BS detector is our own smarts. It's no small matter that what we can deduce, investigate, and research can often be done solely by thinking about it. detective work where the whole story isn't known, and determining what isn't true comes to mind. However, even with the acculumation of all the wisdom written down for study, anything we think or believe can be corrected by both experience, and by God (as well as the bible and Holy Spirit).

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

To 1on0ne.

Hi Jeff from France. I have an idea for you. Something to test your ideas against. It's not a theology, but it is a perspective on discerning what is true and what isn't.

Simply put, it comes down to knowing if what we know and believe are true or not, and being able to correct our misunderstandings if they are corrected. And what determines if they can be corrected? That's the heart of the matter. What is the authority for the truth that can correct us when we are wrong.

Here's the idea.

•The highest authority for what is true and what isn't is God Himself. Anything that comes from Him is the most trustworthy and reliable for both how to be, and for what is true. This includes the bible, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus. It's also worth noting that the bible can be a measure for what is from God and what isn't. If it's not in the bible, but instead counters what is said in the bible then reject it on the same authority that you would reject it from trying to counter what God says. On the other hand, if it's not in the bible, nor talks about a subject in the bible, then that might just mean the topic wasn't the focus of the bible subjects. With this in mind you can still seek God's consol and pray about a matter, but you can also consider if what you believe is true based on other means as well.

-based on what I've read of your views, I think I can say that the idea of reincarnation is counter to what is in the bible. On that alone that point can be rejected, because it is counter to what the bible says.

•The second highest authority on discerning what's true and what isn't, is based on our experiences. Firstly your own experiences because they are the things you can quantify from what you saw, heard, felt, or otherwise have been through. However, this second set of authority should also include the experiences of others as well. And those who are older to be counted as more seasoned in their experiences of life, which makes their consol worth more based on that.

What this means to have experience as an authority for truth, is that experience can correct our misconceptions. You believe that the world works one way, until you find out that it doesn't because of life turning out different then your expectations. While experience doesn't always show the the truth, it acts as a knife that cuts away the fat of lies, cons, and misdirection. A well spoken lawer can defend his client based on ideals and alternating views, but a witness as young as a child can point out the criminal who they say killed, or stole, or commited any act that they saw. That is the authority that experience has. It can correct any idea based on what really happens.

-the issue with experience is that though it can correct us when we are wrong, that doesn't mean we understand what is right after we are corrected. Both seeking God, and seeking our own wisdom are our ways to finding out what is correct. But experience should accepted as the correction to our false ideas.

•The last authority for our BS detector is our own smarts. It's no small matter that what we can deduce, investigate, and research can often be done solely by thinking about it. detective work where the whole story isn't known, and determining what isn't true comes to mind. However, even with the acculumation of all the wisdom written down for study, anything we think or believe can be corrected by both experience, and by God (as well as the bible and Holy Spirit).

I agree with most of this but let me also point something out for the record. If an idea being expressed contradicts what is already written in the Bible then it is definitely unbiblical and unbelievable. However, if it doesn't contradict scripture and it just isn't written down then it can't really be proven or disproven.


For example, the Bible says that God created the Heavens and the earth but it didn't say how, so using science to explain it like I do by saying that God created the big bang is plausible in my mind. Or saying that even Jesus made (sinless) mistakes is plausible too because the Bible never said that He was perfect just sinless if you know what I'm saying. Thus we have unorthodox theology but I don't think that I'm going against scripture by those said beliefs that I gave as examples.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Oh and one more thing, the Bible would be made into millions and possibly even billions of books if it told every last single detail about Jesus and all of creation.

 

[1onOne]

Matthew 25:41-46 - Matthew 25:41 - Matthew 25:46

Matthew 25
"46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, "
as i said multiple times before : God's biggest punishment is to be recalled to nothingness, this is what it's about here : you will disappaear forever, and NEVER be recalled to life. that's the "everlasting punishment."
you know God so bad that you even consider Him punishing to eternal tortures ? Man, you got some figuring out to do, and don't listen to others saying what to think or to do, like reporting your faith on pastors because "they know better", that's like reporting your opinion to scientist because "they know better", that's how you believe in the heliocentric model instead of the Biblical Flat Earth, you end up believing fantasies.
you know in the end times people will start to get by preposterous theories that don't make sense, but because they like the sound of it, they will adopt these positions. Be careful otherwise you'll end up Satan's puppet.

exactly - this is the problem - God does not talk about it and so we do not accept it - we live by God's words - Matthew 4:4

well lots of things are not in the Bible, are they wrong anyway ? this is extremistic thinking

the Bible doens't say where hell is, the Bible doens't say how angels live, the Bible doesn't say we live in a heliocentric model, the Bible doesn't say how is heaven, the bible doesn't say where is the Holy of Holie, the Bible doesn't say what happened after Satanael's rebellion, and i can go on and on...But if you're happy not knowing, then stay on your positions and never seek knowledge from God, you know God can teach you directly right ? there is not ONLY the bible...We'll He is supposed to anyway (visions, and dreams ?)

exactly - again think of what you just said - the theologies you promote lead people away from following scripture - you want us to follow your theology even though it is not found in scripture - even though God did not say what you are saying - actually He said the opposite to what you are saying - Matthew 4:4

"But He answered and said, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” "

exactly : but you seem to live only by the Bible and not by what God has to SAY . your God could be dead it would be the same to you, very sad. God is well alive and wants to TALK to you , you know , with a mouth and sound?

we don't get an angel body - no scripture to support that - this is not found in scripture so we can not accept it - Matthew 4:4

think of what you are saying - you are promoting a theology that you admit is NOT in the bible or anywhere and you are saying we who live by only what is in scripture are the ones who live in fantasy land?

think this through - everything you have accused us of doing is really what you are doing

living by something that is not found in scripture is fantasy

how many times have you read the bible cover to cover?

if you have not read the bible cover to cover several times you are not grounded enough in scripture to create a new biblical theology

your theology is not found in the bible - your theology is unbiblical - this is why none of the christian forums will be interested in your theology - christians live by the bible

i didn't even BEGIN to describe the whole theology, why are you so quick to judge it ?
i base my theology on the Bible AND on the visions and revelations from God. But somehow your God is dead to you so all you have left is the Bible, which is being rewritten anyway.

 

[1onOne]

1on0ne



why do you feel that your revelations are more accurate than the bible? - why is the bible not the higher/highest authority in your life?



we will discuss scripture with you but if you have a theology that is not found in scripture then we won't discuss that on a christian forum



you said you were here to test your theology - for us the test is can you find it in scripture



what kind of test were you looking for? - to see if christians would accept something not found in scripture? - to see if your theology makes logical sense to people who live by scripture? -



the only people who may accept your theology would be people who do not read enough scripture to know what God says - you won't find anyone like that here



and if your website does not attract any people then that also proves that new agers are not interested either - new agers believe a lot of stuff that is unbiblical - they swallow almost anything and call it truth - so if they are not interested in your website then you should pray about what we are saying to you



why don't you read scripture and ask God if what we are saying to you is true?

well maybe you can think about the theology and THINK and see if every part of it is logical and makes sense globally and not just separately, this is simply rethoric. Because ALL exisitng theologies are full of holes bigger than in a swiss "gruyère"



the problem is that you deify the Bible, which is a sin.

1on0ne ,

What drives you so deeply to want to argue and rage against conventional Christianity in such an extreemly way?



You seem to think that I want to prove you wrong. Honestly, I have no such desire and the last thing I care to do is argue with you.



In your welcome PM, you received a note that made it very clear that we are not a debate forum.



You are our guest, and I expect you to act like a good guest. By that, I mean be respectful of our Statement of Faith and our views. More importantly, do not attack them. Remember, you are our guest and we have shown you great kindness thus far.



You said earlier you have experienced hell. Would you mind sharing your experience? What great losses have you experienced in this lifetime, and what do you hope to achieve for the coming life?

ok i'll stop debating, but please allow me to decribe fully the theology. Also it's rude to not answer to someone that ask you a question i guess? so it's a bit like debating. and NO i'm not rageful, what makes you think that? Because truth hurts?

Umm,.. excuse me? I might not be all that equipped with scripture knowledge myself but even I know that the things he talks about isn't in the scriptures.

Many people throughout history have claimed some kind of "new revelation of knowledge" and usually claim everyone up to now has been doing it wrong.

Gnostics were the first.



Usually, generally speaking, the new revelation of knowledge is used to show how they are more holy than everyone else OR how people can keep their favorite pet sins they love to commit. Possibly both things at the same time.



The main tenants of our faith are left behind. (Holy lifestyles through dependence on Jesus' sacrifice, humility, forgiveness, and agape type love)



It usually doesn't work...and the incongruity of these "alternate Faith's" are so glaring that they become very short lived.



The accuracy of the the Bible we have today is always questioned. Although we currently have original manuscripts from 1,700+ years ago that show us our Bible today is exactly the same as it always has been. Nothing added or removed. (Codex Sainiaticus and Dead Sea Scrolls)



Then there's the plethora of scripture quotes in all kinds of books and letters from over the millennia to the point where we could put together the Bible accurately from these quotes alone.

On top of all this we have archeological evidence that shows places, coins, buildings, roads, and caves that correspond perfectly with scriptures.

Exactly JohnDB

I'm curious of 1on0ne 's background within Christianity. I mean, what event drove him to these conclusions.



It seems obvious that something went terribly wrong in his life and he is seeking answers to satisfy his soul.

you don't know ANYTHING about my life, but you are so quick to judge and condemn, Remember you'll be judged the way you judged

But I'm guessing somebody taught him wrong at a younger age which shows us the destruction that can occur when we have thousands of denominations each teaching what they want to hear in order to rebel and rail against his brother.

fantasy land all over, once a gain you know nothing about my life with God. i don't take ideas from left or right, which is what you have in mind since the beginning, how come so many preconceived ideas ? i don't understand

Hate perpetuating hate. Does it ever end? But more importantly, how can we not participate in the hate?

i think you don't like truth . where did you see hate ? you are delusional

It's amazing how sometimes the things (AKA garbage) that we were taught as children can stick with us even as adults. For example I was brainwashed into believing that God was an angry God and should be feared and even though as an adult I now believe Him to be a God of love, I still have that in the back of my mind that He is just angry even though I choose to love, honor, and respect Him and constantly counting my sins. It was this exact fear that caused me to run away from Him and backslide instead of running to Him.





Even though they're just lies (along with I'm stupid, fat, and ugly) I heard them so much as a child it's really rather difficult to forget about them unfortunately.

yeah, but a God that punish to eternal torture can't be a good God in my book, so you were not so far from your actual ideas as a child...it's just you don't fear Him anymore because you know you are saved, but why so few compassion ? don't you think of other people that aren't saved?

I agree with most of this but let me also point something out for the record. If an idea being expressed contradicts what is already written in the Bible then it is definitely unbiblical and unbelievable. However, if it doesn't contradict scripture and it just isn't written down then it can't really be proven or disproven.





For example, the Bible says that God created the Heavens and the earth but it didn't say how, so using science to explain it like I do by saying that God created the big bang is plausible in my mind. Or saying that even Jesus made (sinless) mistakes is plausible too because the Bible never said that He was perfect just sinless if you know what I'm saying. Thus we have unorthodox theology but I don't think that I'm going against scripture by those said beliefs that I gave as examples.

Oh and one more thing, the Bible would be made into millions and possibly even billions of books if it told every last single detail about Jesus and all of creation.

yeah except humans basing their faith on the Bible lead to Jesus being killed on the cross by the 'closer to God' (the jews). Then the catholics rose, always based on the only thing they had in hand : the Bible. We know they were mostly wrong because protestantism came and put their ideology to the past, then the evangelicals came and brung new things to the table, and today, God knows what new theology He'll institute...



there has been so many "updates" through the 5777 years the earth has been created, and all of them thought they were 1) in the end times 2) the ultimate theology



but they were all wrong. Only God knows what He'll do next.



And maybe it's time to insert REASON into the theology ? you know so that every item makes sense compared to the rest ?

 

[GodsGrace]

Matthew 25
"46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, "
as i said multiple times before : God's biggest punishment is to be recalled to nothingness, this is what it's about here : you will disappaear forever, and NEVER be recalled to life. that's the "everlasting punishment."
you know God so bad that you even consider Him punishing to eternal tortures ? Man, you got some figuring out to do, and don't listen to others saying what to think or to do, like reporting your faith on pastors because "they know better", that's like reporting your opinion to scientist because "they know better", that's how you believe in the heliocentric model instead of the Biblical Flat Earth, you end up believing fantasies.
you know in the end times people will start to get by preposterous theories that don't make sense, but because they like the sound of it, they will adopt these positions. Be careful otherwise you'll end up Satan's puppet.


well lots of things are not in the Bible, are they wrong anyway ? this is extremistic thinking

the Bible doens't say where hell is, the Bible doens't say how angels live, the Bible doesn't say we live in a heliocentric model, the Bible doesn't say how is heaven, the bible doesn't say where is the Holy of Holie, the Bible doesn't say what happened after Satanael's rebellion, and i can go on and on...But if you're happy not knowing, then stay on your positions and never seek knowledge from God, you know God can teach you directly right ? there is not ONLY the bible...We'll He is supposed to anyway (visions, and dreams ?)


"But He answered and said, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” "

exactly : but you seem to live only by the Bible and not by what God has to SAY . your God could be dead it would be the same to you, very sad. God is well alive and wants to TALK to you , you know , with a mouth and sound?



i didn't even BEGIN to describe the whole theology, why are you so quick to judge it ?
i base my theology on the Bible AND on the visions and revelations from God. But somehow your God is dead to you so all you have left is the Bible, which is being rewritten anyway.

What if we each had a different vision?
Did you know that Jesus is the LAST revelation from God?

If you don't believe that it means Muhhamad may have been telling the truth, John Smith may have been telling the truth and L. Ron Hubbard may be telling the truth.

How can we determine WHAT the truth is if we go BEYOND what the words of God say?

What if MY visions are different from YOUR visions?
Why shouldn't I trust Maria in Croatia who sees Mary EVERY DAY and gets messages from her?

 

[1onOne]

What if we each had a different vision?
Did you know that Jesus is the LAST revelation from God?

If you don't believe that it means Muhhamad may have been telling the truth, John Smith may have been telling the truth and L. Ron Hubbard may be telling the truth.

How can we determine WHAT the truth is if we go BEYOND what the words of God say?

What if MY visions are different from YOUR visions?
Why shouldn't I trust Maria in Croatia who sees Mary EVERY DAY and gets messages from her?

yeah that's why the need to introduce REASON and LOGIC into the equation.

two important things most theologians omit

 

[GodsGrace]

yeah that's why the need to introduce REASON and LOGIC into the equation.

two important things most theologians omit

Do you believe we all have reason and logic?
Do you believe the nature of man has changed within the last, let's say, 5,000 years?

Please answer about the nature of man. Are we any different than we were 5,000 years ago?
Will be back in about an hour.

 

[JohnDB]

Codex Sainiaticus and the Dead Sea Scrolls show us that the Bible we have today is the exact same as those in the past. Thousands of years old and still accurate

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

1on0ne, two things,.. one, what God has to say and what the Bible has to say are one of the same, and two,.. if you really do believe that I don't have compassion for the unsaved then I know hundreds of people on here who will try to prove you otherwise and that's all I have to say to that. There really is no use in arguing with you anymore.

 

[Truthfrees]

God's biggest punishment is to be recalled to nothingness, this is what it's about here : you will disappaear forever, and NEVER be recalled to life. that's the "everlasting punishment."

please show us a scripture that says what you are saying- the scriptures i quoted said torment - nothingness is not torment - torment ceases when you cease to exist and become nothing

 

[Truthfrees]

Man, you got some figuring out to do, and don't listen to others saying what to think or to do, like reporting your faith on pastors because "they know better", that's like reporting your opinion to scientist because "they know better", that's how you believe in the heliocentric model instead of the Biblical Flat Earth, you end up believing fantasies.
you know in the end times people will start to get by preposterous theories that don't make sense, but because they like the sound of it, they will adopt these positions. Be careful otherwise you'll end up Satan's puppet.

read your own words carefully - the strange things you accuse us of actually apply more to yourself than us as per Matthew 7:1-2 - Romans 2:1

to stick with only scripture and reject a man-made revelation is not fantasy

you need to stick with only scripture if you want to be solidly standing in God's truth

 

[Truthfrees]

I agree with most of this but let me also point something out for the record. If an idea being expressed contradicts what is already written in the Bible then it is definitely unbiblical and unbelievable. However, if it doesn't contradict scripture and it just isn't written down then it can't really be proven or disproven.


For example, the Bible says that God created the Heavens and the earth but it didn't say how, so using science to explain it like I do by saying that God created the big bang is plausible in my mind. Or saying that even Jesus made (sinless) mistakes is plausible too because the Bible never said that He was perfect just sinless if you know what I'm saying. Thus we have unorthodox theology but I don't think that I'm going against scripture by those said beliefs that I gave as examples.

it's one thing to have different ideas about what scripture means - we all do that - that is why we have discussion because we all see things differently - and our ideas can be right or wrong - which discussion may or may not sort out

but as you correctly said the issue is when someone says they have a revelation from God that is not found in scripture and then proceeds to tell us all christians and jews before him were wrong and he alone has the truth -

 

[Truthfrees]

well lots of things are not in the Bible, are they wrong anyway ? this is extremistic thinking

the Bible doens't say where hell is, the Bible doens't say how angels live, the Bible doesn't say we live in a heliocentric model, the Bible doesn't say how is heaven, the bible doesn't say where is the Holy of Holie, the Bible doesn't say what happened after Satanael's rebellion, and i can go on and on...But if you're happy not knowing, then stay on your positions and never seek knowledge from God, you know God can teach you directly right ? there is not ONLY the bible...We'll He is supposed to anyway (visions, and dreams ?

God tells us the things we need to know - do we need to know where hell is - or where the holy of holies is? - obviously not - it makes no difference to our life on earth and God did not think we needed to know

dreams and visions should only agree with scripture - not contradict scripture

there is no satanel - EL is God's name - satan means deceiver accuser - so you are saying God deceives and accuses - even the words you use shows that your revelations did not come from God - that is what we all need to be careful of - do not be fooled by satan who is coming to you pretending to be God/EL - 2 Corinthians 11:14 - Isaiah 14:14

 

[stovebolts]

i'll stop debating, but please allow me to decribe fully the theology. Also it's rude to not answer to someone that ask you a question i guess? so it's a bit like debating. and NO i'm not rageful, what makes you think that? Because truth hurts?

Hi again,
With due respect, I have seen your theology and it does not agree with our Statement of Faith, nor does it agree with much of the way we understand the Bible, including annihilation.

By rageing, I mean why do you oppose our view of the Biblical accounts and why do you think it's your mission to change our view?

And you are right, we know nothing about you. So, tell us about yourself. What was your upbringing? Did you go to church as a child? How about your parents? Did they believe in God? Did they grow up with a religious upbringing?

 

[Truthfrees]

"But He answered and said, “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” "

exactly : but you seem to live only by the Bible and not by what God has to SAY . your God could be dead it would be the same to you, very sad. God is well alive and wants to TALK to you , you know , with a mouth and sound?

you do not know me and you are new here so you don't know that what you have said about me is the opposite to what is true - that's ok - no problem -

revelations and visions and impressions and hearing from God are a big part of my daily life - but i have had experiences like yours where i received a revelation that i THOUGHT came from God but it did not - and how did i know that it did not? - because it contradicted scripture and / or it was found NOWHERE in scripture

let me say again - ANY revelation you claim comes from God must agree with scripture - if it contradicts scripture or is found NOWHERE in scripture it is not from God

 

[JohnDB]

The old axiom holds true...

No one cares what you know unless they know that you care.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I agree with most of this but let me also point something out for the record. If an idea being expressed contradicts what is already written in the Bible then it is definitely unbiblical and unbelievable. However, if it doesn't contradict scripture and it just isn't written down then it can't really be proven or disproven.


For example, the Bible says that God created the Heavens and the earth but it didn't say how, so using science to explain it like I do by saying that God created the big bang is plausible in my mind. Or saying that even Jesus made (sinless) mistakes is plausible too because the Bible never said that He was perfect just sinless if you know what I'm saying. Thus we have unorthodox theology but I don't think that I'm going against scripture by those said beliefs that I gave as examples.

Hi April. One thing that I heard a while ago, was that the bible has a purpose. It is written with history, specific events, and following specific people in some of the books. It also has poetry, proverbs, prophies, parables, promises and warnings, and teachings, laws, and commandments. In the Old Testiment it even has things for holidays and the reasons to celibrate them for Israel.

All of these things do something to bring us back to God. Thay talk about God's greatness, His teachings, and His actions. As well as throughout history written accounts for us to learn from, so we can be like many of the examples of people who followed God. As well as written accounts of where people fell away from God, or disobeyed Him and even instead sinned on a massive scale. These events act as a warning for us to not do the same. Not to kill a man and marry his wife as King David did to hide his sin of adultery. God dealt with that sin, but still let David live and rule as King when he saw what he did was wrong. God also dealt with Israel when they had so much sin in their kingdom that God let them be conquored. As a lesson to humble them and for them to come back to Him. All of the lessons have a purpose to bring us to God, warn us of, sin, and to teach us yo love one another. As well as to help us live in the world without living in a sinful way.

If the bible is looked at in this way then it becomes easier to understand why it doesn't hold other subjects in it, like how to build an engine which would be in a machanic's textbook, or why the bible doesn't explain several scientific points and discoveries in it, but instead points to God making the world, being able to call the stars by name, and even knows the number of hairs on each of our heads. There are many topics and details that aren't in the bible. However, here's the hardest part. Instead of focusing on what isn't in the bible, count what is in bible, and count it as both the authority on any subject it speaks about, as well as count it as worth studying and knowing. Things worth focusing on.

This is the hard part because though Genesis doesn't explain how God created the universe and the Earth (whether God did it miraculously or if He caused things to happen naturally as we understand natural processes in scientific understanding). Though Genesis doesn't talk about all of that it stil, touches on how the unInverse as we know it was made. Specifically the order that God made them. On the First Day God made light. On the Sixth Day God made the animals on the land and made Man. So far that can coresponds with that we understand for how the universe began and the development of our planet from a natural process. Where it gets harder is the days between day one and day six. To say that the bible is the authority on the matter and believe that God made light, and then started forming the earth before the sun strikes the current scientific models down quite a bit.

It's a hard thing to consider unless a person thinks that this section of the bible is speaking metaphorically, or unless they look at this part of the bible explaining the miracle of God's handy work instead of giving it credit that the earth was made by a natural process. Either outlook is difficult though because it either makes an excuse to not count the bible account as accurate, or it counts the bible as accurate, and disbelieves our current scientific model and scientific findings on how the earth and solar system were formed.

I've been leaning in the direction that if the bible says one thing to trust it. Even thought the bible isn't a science book. My reasoning is to trust the bible as an extension of trusting God.

Oh and one more thing, the Bible would be made into millions and possibly even billions of books if it told every last single detail about Jesus and all of creation.

This is the other hard part is to not just count the parts of the bible that were written as the authority, but also to remain focused on those parts. I would love to know more details about Jesus's life, or on how God designed the world. His planing the shorelines and placing the ecosystems in the different places around the world. Making it all fit together without falling apart is as wonderful in awe inspiring as studing our own anatomy and being inspired and awe struck about how our muscles, nerves and organs all work together so well. God designed us so well, and made the world just as expertly made.

It was by His hands He did this, no other explaination makes sense, but it would still be awesome to know how and why He did it all. And unfortunately that's not in that much detail in the bible. What is there is something to focus on, learn from, and remember. We all will pick up other interests, and our lives will lead us to know and learn other things. But the bible was for us to learn and know about God, to teach us how to be, and to have hope and strength because of God's love and promises.

....sorry for the long ramble. Hope it all made sense. I know I've got some crazy sounding ideas in there.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Hi April. One thing that I heard a while ago, was that the bible has a purpose. It is written with history, specific events, and following specific people in some of the books. It also has poetry, proverbs, prophies, parables, promises and warnings, and teachings, laws, and commandments. In the Old Testiment it even has things for holidays and the reasons to celibrate them for Israel.

All of these things do something to bring us back to God. Thay talk about God's greatness, His teachings, and His actions. As well as throughout history written accounts for us to learn from, so we can be like many of the examples of people who followed God. As well as written accounts of where people fell away from God, or disobeyed Him and even instead sinned on a massive scale. These events act as a warning for us to not do the same. Not to kill a man and marry his wife as King David did to hide his sin of adultery. God dealt with that sin, but still let David live and rule as King when he saw what he did was wrong. God also dealt with Israel when they had so much sin in their kingdom that God let them be conquored. As a lesson to humble them and for them to come back to Him. All of the lessons have a purpose to bring us to God, warn us of, sin, and to teach us yo love one another. As well as to help us live in the world without living in a sinful way.

If the bible is looked at in this way then it becomes easier to understand why it doesn't hold other subjects in it, like how to build an engine which would be in a machanic's textbook, or why the bible doesn't explain several scientific points and discoveries in it, but instead points to God making the world, being able to call the stars by name, and even knows the number of hairs on each of our heads. There are many topics and details that aren't in the bible. However, here's the hardest part. Instead of focusing on what isn't in the bible, count what is in bible, and count it as both the authority on any subject it speaks about, as well as count it as worth studying and knowing. Things worth focusing on.

This is the hard part because though Genesis doesn't explain how God created the universe and the Earth (whether God did it miraculously or if He caused things to happen naturally as we understand natural processes in scientific understanding). Though Genesis doesn't talk about all of that it stil, touches on how the unInverse as we know it was made. Specifically the order that God made them. On the First Day God made light. On the Sixth Day God made the animals on the land and made Man. So far that can coresponds with that we understand for how the universe began and the development of our planet from a natural process. Where it gets harder is the days between day one and day six. To say that the bible is the authority on the matter and believe that God made light, and then started forming the earth before the sun strikes the current scientific models down quite a bit.

It's a hard thing to consider unless a person thinks that this section of the bible is speaking metaphorically, or unless they look at this part of the bible explaining the miracle of God's handy work instead of giving it credit that the earth was made by a natural process. Either outlook is difficult though because it either makes an excuse to not count the bible account as accurate, or it counts the bible as accurate, and disbelieves our current scientific model and scientific findings on how the earth and solar system were formed.

I've been leaning in the direction that if the bible says one thing to trust it. Even thought the bible isn't a science book. My reasoning is to trust the bible as an extension of trusting God.






This is the other hard part is to not just count the parts of the bible that were written as the authority, but also to remain focused on those parts. I would love to know more details about Jesus's life, or on how God designed the world. His planing the shorelines and placing the ecosystems in the different places around the world. Making it all fit together without falling apart is as wonderful in awe inspiring as studing our own anatomy and being inspired and awe struck about how our muscles, nerves and organs all work together so well. God designed us so well, and made the world just as expertly made.

It was by His hands He did this, no other explaination makes sense, but it would still be awesome to know how and why He did it all. And unfortunately that's not in that much detail in the bible. What is there is something to focus on, learn from, and remember. We all will pick up other interests, and our lives will lead us to know and learn other things. But the bible was for us to learn and know about God, to teach us how to be, and to have hope and strength because of God's love and promises.

....sorry for the long ramble. Hope it all made sense. I know I've got some crazy sounding ideas in there.

That's alright and yes I already know all of this. I was just trying to make a point. Even if God caused a big bang to start all of existence though, the whole entire process could have lasted seven days just saying. A big bang could have just been the beginning of creation since everything has a beginning, middle, and an end.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

you do not know me and you are new here so you don't know that what you have said about me is the opposite to what is true - that's ok - no problem -

revelations and visions and impressions and hearing from God are a big part of my daily life - but i have had experiences like yours where i received a revelation that i THOUGHT came from God but it did not - and how did i know that it did not? - because it contradicted scripture and / or it was found NOWHERE in scripture

let me say again - ANY revelation you claim comes from God must agree with scripture - if it contradicts scripture or is found NOWHERE in scripture it is not from God

To 1on0ne

What Truthfrees said above is true and worth hearing and considering. Be careful that you're visions are from God. I have one other thing to add to it. The things that are in the bible are reliable to be from God and are worth focusing on. New theories of where heaven and hell are don't really help us to be better Christians, or to know God better. With that in mind, please join us in this forum not to just to debate your ideas. But instead to join us in a community fellowship kind of way. We discuss bible studies and theology, prayers and praise, our life stories, how God has influenced us and acted in our lives, even to open up about our current joys, hardships and worries.

There is enough to be a part of without trying to bring a new revelation into debate. But if debating the revelation is your wish to do so and you feel called to do just that, then let me warn you. There are points of what you've said so far that just don't jive with what the bible teaches. Those points will probabley be corrected, or even ignored.

The warning is for you to be careful with your reactions to these, because one lesson worth knowing is how to take correction from a brother or sister in faith (or correction from anyone) while being respectful and without bitterness in your reactions.

A second lesson with knowing, is on not being angry with your brothers and sisters in Christ. These are lessons within the bible, and show why it is important to focus on the topics within the bible. Otherwise often we forget and break the laws, teachings, and comandments that God gave us, because we were focused on a debate, or on just not being wrong.

Good luck, Jeff from France. Hope you stay and get to know some of us here. I think several are already welcoming you and wanting to know more about you asked for you to share your life's experiences with them. Even if they don't agree with what you've said so far. I hope you take the hospitality offered to you. There really is a lot of love in this commiunity. Either way, wish you the best.