Jesus the firstborn of creation??

[seekandlisten]

I started this thread on the topic of what this statement means. I hope to hear others viewpoints as to what this means to them. Whether you believe Jesus is God or not does not matter in regards to this subject. If you need to comment about that then please use my thread 'christian beliefs' for that as I already split this topic out of that thread in order to get past that point.

Now, in regards to the term itself, firstborn of the sons of God to me means one must be born rather than created, now this is merely my simple interpretation. It also goes along with what ‘firstborn’ itself actually means. I’m not going to get into a big definition here but something I found on the matter states, "In the patriarchal order, the firstborn son is the heir and inherits the leadership of the family upon the death of the father."

I also think one could say that ‘firstborn’ would be more along the lines of the position of pre-eminence rather than time of birth. We see in the bible the rights and privileges, blessing, not always going to the one who was born first. Manassah was the first one born, but Jacob’s (Israel’s) blessing went to Ephraim instead giving him the position of firstborn. (Gen. 48:13-22) God even references Ephraim as the first-born in Jeremiah 31:9. You see the actual first one born being passed over with Jacob and Esau as well. The nation of Israel was named after Jacob. In Exodus 4:22 God calls Israel His first-born.

Now logically speaking, I understand firstborn to be more along the lines of rank, privilege, and importance. We can clearly see that the nation of Israel was not the first-born of a woman and is not the first nation to exist. However, God refers to Israel as the first-born among all nations. Logically this would make Jesus first-born of all creation.

For further reference, Isaiah 14:30, “first-born of the poor†means “the poorest of the poor.†Job 18:13, “first-born of death†means Job’s disease was the worst of all diseases. Psalms 89:27, David was the last one born in his family, but was called the firstborn, the highest of the kings. The “first-born of the dead†in Col. 1:18, Rev. 1:5 to me means Jesus is basically pre-eminent over death, the first-born of creation, us.

Comments?

 

[researcher]

Lol. We we're going over this on another thread. Good topic.

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Of course, he made David a firstborn also. 0_0

Psa 89:20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him:
Psa 89:21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him.
Psa 89:22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him.
Psa 89:23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him.
Psa 89:24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
Psa 89:25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers.
Psa 89:26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
Psa 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
Psa 89:28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

 

[mutzrein]

Of all creation, Jesus was the first born of the Spirit.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Jesus Christ in His Mediator's Manhood, as the Head of the church, His body, was the First Being ever created..or generated into Being, before all Angels and all worlds..

Be advised, I am not speaking about His Deity as the Word of God, but His headship over His body the church..col 1:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


This passage describes His Being as The Mediator God Man, He was not the Head of the body as God, but as Man..

Also see rev 3:

14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

He was the beginning of Gods creations..prov 8:

22 The LORD possessed me [Jesus Christ, the Wisdom of God] in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.