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Since rebirth, believers have had the righteousness of the Judge imputed to them (not imparted, because He “is made unto us righteousness;” we are righteous but He is the righteousness - 1Co 1:30), and it’s in this they will eventually stand before His “seat”! Even though believers have security from condemnation, it cannot be enjoyed if misunderstood, for it is only in understanding what one has that enables the use of it! When He and the Father sees the Bride in her newly acquired array, Their Spirit will also be seen, for where the Bride is, there also will be her blessed Seal (Jhn 14:16; Eph 1:13; 4:30; Rev 22:17).
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The Jew must wait until the High Priest comes out to know whether the offering is accepted or not. When the Lord Jesus Christ comes out again, all Israel (and the world—NC) will look upon Him and mourn (Zec 12:10; Rev 1:7). But I do not wait for that, because the Holy Spirit has come out, and His presence gives me the blessed consciousness that Christ has been accepted before God, as my Life and Righteousness (Col 3:4; 1Co 1:30). My faith enables me to know that I have all in Him.

But when am I to get the fruit of this? I have the Holy Spirit, but what is my relationship to Christ? The Spirit having come down gives me the knowledge of it. I have the Spirit, and the knowledge of these two thigs—that Christ is my righteousness in the presence of the Father, and that the Spirit is the seal of it.

More than that, Christ is the Head, and “we are the members of His Body, of His flesh and of His bones” (Eph 5:30); and what is their character when He talks about them? It is as His Bride (second only to the blessed Trinity—NC). It is never said of Christ that He was bone of our bone and flesh of our flesh. Just as Eve was of Adam, we are of Christ—and more so—because the “Spirit of Christ” dwells in me and unites me to Christ in Glory.

When “the Sun of righteousness arises with healing in His wings” (Mal 4:2) there will be judgment, treading down of the wicked, etc. But meanwhile, while He is hidden from the world, faith sees Him (Mat 13:11; Col 3:3); and faith, seeing Him, has trusted and leaned upon Him as its righteousness before the Father.

Therefore He says, “Now He which establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us is God, who has sealed us, and given us the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts” (2Co 1:22). He is these two; the earnest (i.e. guaranty of receiving—NC) of the glory, and the present certainty of the love. I know the love now, the Holy Spirit giving me the consciousness of “prefect love” (1Jo 4:18).

The bright and morning star is before the day dawns. We know Christ before we see Him (Num 24:17—NC). We have not seen Him and yet we believed (Jhn 20:29). “At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you” (Jhn 14:20). We are associated with Him while He is not in the world. When the Son rises, I will see Him in His glory, but we know Him now behind the cloud.

He is the Son who has revealed Himself to me—this One who is in the heavens, as He revealed Himself to Paul (to us it’s the glory of His knowledge, which manifests faith more significantly than Paul seeing the literal Glory - Act 22:11—NC); therefore it is the Gospel of the Glory. I know Him as my righteousness, and as the Bridegroom to the Bride.

—J N Darby (1800-1882)




Excerpt from the online Miles J Stanford devotional, “None but the Hungry Heart:”

The love motive is not adequate to carry the believer through to fruitful walk and service. Few seem to be able to face up to this fact, possibly because they see no higher alternative. But there is one: the life motive. “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death” (Rom. 8:2).

“The law is for the man who departed from God—that man has been removed from God’s sight in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, and I rejoice that now by the ‘law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus’ I am ‘free from the law of sin and death’ (Rom. 8:2).”
 
Since rebirth, believers have had the righteousness of the Judge imputed to them......

Christ's righteousness was flawless, sinlessly perfect. If Christ's perfect, flawless righteousness is imputed or transferred to the Christian then why aren't Christians as sinless, flawless and perfect as Christ in their day to day thoughts, actions?
 
Christ's righteousness was flawless, sinlessly perfect. If Christ's perfect, flawless righteousness is imputed or transferred to the Christian then why aren't Christians as sinless, flawless and perfect as Christ in their day to day thoughts, actions?
That's the idea of imputation, though yet having the sin nature, believers are not considered sinners and after the sin nature (Ro 8:9); which answers to the reason why Scripture is never descriptive of the righteous as sinners.
 
Christ's righteousness was flawless, sinlessly perfect. If Christ's perfect, flawless righteousness is imputed or transferred to the Christian then why aren't Christians as sinless, flawless and perfect as Christ in their day to day thoughts, actions?

It is our spirit that is made righteous before the Lord as it is transformed into the perfect image of God. There is no good thing in the flesh. Flesh and Spirit are mortal enemies and this is why we need to be walking in the Spirit as we crucify this flesh daily.
 
But there are no verses that teach Christ's righteousness is unconditionally 'imputed' into the sinner or the sinner's sins are unconditionally 'imputed' into Christ. The Bible teaches for the sinner to be saved, nothing is imputed to the sinner of Christ but the sinner must be obedient to the gospel and by submitting to water baptism the sinner is then placed in Christ (Gal 3:27) where there he is clothed in Christ's perfect righteousness therefore seen as perfect by God through Christ.

Again, if Christ's perfect, sinless righteousness is imputed into the believer then why isn't the believer perfectly sinless as Christ?
 
I I would like to know what you mean by the above, thanks.
I have seen Calvinists on other forums use this idea of 'imputation' to get around the necessity of obedience in becoming saved. The claim is made Christ's righteousness is unconditionally imputed to the sinner and the sinner's sins, [along with the consequence and guilt of those sins], are unconditionally imputed into Christ all while the sinner does nothing but has faith only (mental acknowledgement of certain facts). This imputation idea makes up the basis for the "LIP" in "TULIP".
 
I have seen Calvinists on other forums use this idea of 'imputation' to get around the necessity of obedience in becoming saved.
Thanks for sharing it again and I understand you this time! Their is a single condition for man--choosing to believe--and then we are given the grace of salvation when we choose to believe and receive faith in the Lord Jesus. Everything else is for the purpose of manifesting faith and salvation, because these two "gifts" (Eph 2:8) can only be produced by God. Obedience (works) not only shows we have saving-faith (Jas 2:18) but most importantly love to Him (Jhn 14:15, 23; 15:10). Thus disobedience shows the absence of all these things.

The condition to effect salvation is that Christ had to suffer, die and resurrect. The condition to receive salvation is faith.
 
Thanks for sharing it again and I understand you this time! Their is a single condition for man--choosing to believe--and then we are given the grace of salvation when we choose to believe and receive faith in the Lord Jesus. Everything else is for the purpose of manifesting faith and salvation, because these two "gifts" (Eph 2:8) can only be produced by God. Obedience (works) not only shows we have saving-faith (Jas 2:18) but most importantly love to Him (Jhn 14:15, 23; 15:10). Thus disobedience shows the absence of all these things.

The condition to effect salvation is that Christ had to suffer, die and resurrect. The condition to receive salvation is faith.
---Belief only will not save those that refuse to repent, (Lk 13:3)....confession is "unto salvation" (Rom 10:9-10) repentance and baptism are "for/unto remission of sins". Repentance, confession and baptism are not because one is already saved. So there is no 'single condition' to be saved.
--faith is a gift in the sense God has allowed man to be saved by having faith upon hearing the word (Rom 10:17). It is not a gift in the sense one only can have faith IF God gives it to him. God is not culpable for the faithless.
--Calvinists, in their attempt to get around obedience leading to salvation (Rom 6:16-18) have created fatal flaws with their imputation idea.
 
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2 Cor 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

1 Cor 1:20 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption,

Romans 3:21 But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. 22 And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no distinction, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
 
---Belief only will not save those that refuse to repent, (Lk 13:3)....confession is "unto salvation" (Rom 10:9-10) repentance and baptism are "for/unto remission of sins". Repentance, confession and baptism are not because one is already saved. So there is no 'single condition' to be saved.
--faith is a gift in the sense God has allowed man to be saved by having faith upon hearing the word (Rom 10:17). It is not a gift in the sense one only can have faith IF God gives it to him. God is not culpable for the faithless.
--Calvinists, in their attempt to get around obedience leading to salvation (Rom 6:16-18) have created fatal flaws with their imputation idea.
You sound like a Mormon....are you?
 
Believing Jesus is the Lord, and that God resurrected Him (Rom 10:9) assumes faith in all the salvific essentials (esp. His incarnation (1Jo 4:2, 3; 2Jo 1:7). Obedience to God unavoidably comes as they are given and understood, e.g. repentance, water baptism, communion, confession of sins, etc.
No verse says the impenitent are saved for the Bible puts repentance before salvation (Acts 2:38) and repentance is something that must be maintained in order to remain saved as seen with Simon.

Rom 10:9-10 says one confesses UNTO salvation, NOT confess 'because' one is saved. As long as one does not confess Christ's he continues to deny Christ and remains lost, Mt 10:32-33. Belief void of confession did not save the chief rulers, Jn 12:42.

Water baptism is for.unto remission of sin, not 'because' one is already saved, Acts 2:38. In Paul/Saul's conversion he was in and remained in his sins until water baptized, Acts 22:16.

Faith void of repentance, confession and baptism is dead being alone (James 2:17) and by obedient works (repentance, confession, baptism) a man is justified not be a dead faith only (James 2:24).
 
Faith void of repentance, confession and baptism is dead
Faith in the Blood of Christ (which is faith in Him) stands alone for redemption. All else is merely evidence of the faith, because all else can only be followed through faith, by the power of the Spirit using the new nature and Life from Christ.
Only faith establishes connection with God's grace (Eph 2:8), and the rest is evidence of it.

being alone (James 2:17) and by obedient works (repentance, confession, baptism) a man is justified not be a dead faith only (James 2:24).
Just wanted to point out that the word "justify" has two meanings in Scripture: to make one righteous (only by the Blood - Rom 5:9); to show one righteous (Jas 2:24). There is a vast difference between making someone righteous and manifesting one righteous. Works justifies (displays) faith, because no man is justified (made righteous) by works.
 
Faith in the Blood of Christ (which is faith in Him) stands alone for redemption. All else is merely evidence of the faith, because all else can only be followed through faith, by the power of the Spirit using the new nature and Life from Christ.
Only faith establishes connection with God's grace (Eph 2:8), and the rest is evidence of it.


Just wanted to point out that the word "justify" has two meanings in Scripture: to make one righteous (only by the Blood - Rom 5:9); to show one righteous (Jas 2:24). There is a vast difference between making someone righteous and manifesting one righteous. Works justifies (displays) faith, because no man is justified (made righteous) by works.
Can one be saved while remaining impenitent of his sins?
 
Can one be saved while remaining impenitent of his sins?
No! Not only does an "impenitent heart treasure up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath," but still does not know the "goodness of God," which is what "leads us to repentance" (Rom 2:4, 5). Repentance and confession are followed when faith is established, because we need faith in their promises of forgiveness.
 
No! Not only does an "impenitent heart treasure up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath," but still does not know the "goodness of God," which is what "leads us to repentance" (Rom 2:4, 5). Repentance and confession are followed when faith is established, because we need faith in their promises of forgiveness.
I asked "Can one be saved while remaining impenitent of his sins?"

You answered "No".

Therefore belief only/faith only cannot save the impenitent.
 
I asked "Can one be saved while remaining impenitent of his sins?"

You answered "No".

Therefore belief only/faith only cannot save the impenitent.
By the time one learns and understands faith in the Lord Jesus, he has also been given to know and apply repentance, confession, etc. It's all included in describing the Gospel. I would also include that impenitence manifests unregeneracy, i.e. unbelief.
 
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By the time one learns and understands faith in the Lord Jesus, he has also been given to know and apply repentance, confession, etc. It's all included in describing the Gospel. I would also include that impenitence manifests unregeneracy, i.e. unbelief.
But he is not and cannot be saved until he repents, you admitted such yourself when you answered "no' to my question.
 
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