What's new
Christian Forums

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

  • Do not use Chrome Incognito when registering as it freezes the registration page.
  • Online forum for sale. Please send Stovebolts PM for details. https://meetchristians.net
  • Guest Just a reminder that we don't discuss politics on this site. We believe that politics are of Man and not God. They are extremely devisive and involve lots of judgemental attitude. Enter Here
  • Guest, Join Papa Zoom today for some uplifting biblical encouragement! --> Daily Verses
  • No longer will OSAS vx OSNAS be allowed to be debated, argued, or discussed in theology forum. Too much time is required to monitor and rescources used to debate this subject which hasn't been definitively decided in 3,000 years.

[__ Science __ ] Legalized Polygamy in America? It’s Coming

JohnDB

Supporter
Joined
Aug 16, 2015
Messages
9,066
Gender
Male
Slavery and racism were fought against by Christian abolitionists .

If slavery was to return or racism legally why not just go,along ?

Pray for the prosperity of the city ,for in it is your prosperity .written to exiled isreal.

Yet James says faith must have works ,at what point is enough
Slavery exists today...but it's contractual instead of generational or ethnic.

Anyone who has overused a credit card or check cashing/payday loan service can attest to this.
 
Joined
Feb 4, 2018
Messages
2,607
Gender
Male
Slavery and racism were fought against by Christian abolitionists .

If slavery was to return or racism legally why not just go,along ?

Pray for the prosperity of the city ,for in it is your prosperity .written to exiled isreal.

Yet James says faith must have works ,at what point is enough
Unfortunately a significant number of Christians fought literally and figuratively to maintain slavery and racism.
But a necessary component of the changes finally happening was a change of hearts and minds of a critical mass of the society.
I am not saying all political action is a waste of time. But it’s hopeless to expect great things unless the church influences, better yet, is instrumental in changing hearts.
 

Not_Now.Soon

Supporter
Joined
Aug 16, 2015
Messages
2,599
Gender
Male
Christian
Yes
I don't want polygamy in the US, but as far as it being a sin. I'm not so sure that is a sin or that it ever was a sin. In Israel if a woman becomes a widow before having children, it was a responsibility of one of her husband's brothers to marry her for the sake of her having a child.

That's of a special case of a situation, but it when reading the bible it seems like the people having multiple wives were never a sin that was renounced or forbidden. That and when people did have multiple wife's that wasn't one of the sins that was described by the prophets when they warned Israel or other nations of their downfall due to the sins they commited.

I don't know, I think there are lessons from Jacob's life on having two wives, and later there was a law or a proverb to not marry two sisters because they would be in competation with eachother, (as well as a law to not marry a mother and a daughter, so the laws do get specific in that area). However aside from the lessons of trying to hold down a family with competing siblinings from different mothers, or wives competing with eachother, I don't think the bible forbids poligamy as a sin.

I don't like it though. I think polygamy destabilizes the family and destabilizes a marriage. It's better then an open relationship, or an open marriage, but only just barely in my opinion as far as being the reason relationships fall apart.
 

jasonc

Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
39,464
Christian
Yes
Unfortunately a significant number of Christians fought literally and figuratively to maintain slavery and racism.
But a necessary component of the changes finally happening was a change of hearts and minds of a critical mass of the society.
I am not saying all political action is a waste of time. But it’s hopeless to expect great things unless the church influences, better yet, is instrumental in changing hearts.
I know civil war history .
 

JohnDB

Supporter
Joined
Aug 16, 2015
Messages
9,066
Gender
Male
I don't want polygamy in the US, but as far as it being a sin. I'm not so sure that is a sin or that it ever was a sin. In Israel if a woman becomes a widow before having children, it was a responsibility of one of her husband's brothers to marry her for the sake of her having a child.

That's of a special case of a situation, but it when reading the bible it seems like the people having multiple wives were never a sin that was renounced or forbidden. That and when people did have multiple wife's that wasn't one of the sins that was described by the prophets when they warned Israel or other nations of their downfall due to the sins they commited.

I don't know, I think there are lessons from Jacob's life on having two wives, and later there was a law or a proverb to not marry two sisters because they would be in competation with eachother, (as well as a law to not marry a mother and a daughter, so the laws do get specific in that area). However aside from the lessons of trying to hold down a family with competing siblinings from different mothers, or wives competing with eachother, I don't think the bible forbids poligamy as a sin.

I don't like it though. I think polygamy destabilizes the family and destabilizes a marriage. It's better then an open relationship, or an open marriage, but only just barely in my opinion as far as being the reason relationships fall apart.
Women have a habit of uniting against a man... especially here in America.

So...where I don't want any part of giving up my peaceful life there are others who probably are gluttons for punishment.

And in the Old Testament men were mandated to take their brother's widow even if they didn't wish to and even if he was already married...in order to further his family line.

And today...
The number of Christian men versus the number of Christian women is way out of whack.
There exists a 7 to 5 ratio already of women to men outside the church...but inside it's something like 25 to one.... making the single Christian man something akin to a Unicorn (a mythological creature that everyone swears to exist but cannot be found)

Christian women might have to share...as predicted in Ezekiel or Zachariah (can't remember). The women in the prophecy I'm thinking of just wanted to be married and promised to provide their own support but just wanted to have a piece of a husband and a chance at children.

It's literally to this point.
Emotionally people are not able to...most are too self absorbed to actually share their lives. They don't own the skills of giving grace and forgiveness and mercy well enough to get married....much less share a husband.

So they remain single
 

JohnDB

Supporter
Joined
Aug 16, 2015
Messages
9,066
Gender
Male
Sister wives is a real thing...women can unite over the strangest things at times...one women watched the kids and another one has the career...not unusual for them whatsoever.
 

jasonc

Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
39,464
Christian
Yes
Slavery exists today...but it's contractual instead of generational or ethnic.

Anyone who has overused a credit card or check cashing/payday loan service can attest to this.
Shoot our economy,is built on,the credit score rating and the over use of it .

I am,awaiting the chapter 13 to be discharged
 

Not_Now.Soon

Supporter
Joined
Aug 16, 2015
Messages
2,599
Gender
Male
Christian
Yes
Sister wives is a real thing...women can unite over the strangest things at times...one women watched the kids and another one has the career...not unusual for them whatsoever.
I'm not saying it isn't a real thing, but what I was saying was that I remember a verse in the bible that speaks against the practice of marrying sisters, (I had to look it up, it's Leviticus 18:18), but I don't remember seeing a verse in those laws about having only one wife.

Nonetheless, regardless of any benifits such as having multiple incomes while having someone watch the kids at home, I agree with your statement about being gluttons for punishment. If multiple wives isn't a sin, it's still a bad idea. Kind of like drinking is ok, but drinking in excess and just to get drunk is a had idea and several verses agree to this in the bible. It might not be a sin, but it causes enough issues regardless.
 
Joined
Feb 4, 2018
Messages
2,607
Gender
Male
I know civil war history .
I didn’t consider that you didn’t. Just wanted to get across my view that the church can have an impact on the moral questions of the day by being the church more than a branch of their favorite political party of the day.
 

jasonc

Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2014
Messages
39,464
Christian
Yes
I didn’t consider that you didn’t. Just wanted to get across my view that the church can have an impact on the moral questions of the day by being the church more than a branch of their favorite political party of the day.
Agree
 

HeIsRisen2018

Supporter
Joined
Dec 29, 2017
Messages
18,245
Gender
Female
Well, when I saw how lively that this thread was I just had to look up what polygamy was and all I have to say about it is this. I've been to many different weddings in my lifetime and have written many different kinds of stories with weddings in them and I already recognize this as one of the vows.





"Do you promise to keep yourself ONLY for him/her as long as you both shall live?"






So if polygamy becomes legalized in the US then I guess that they won't be able to use that vow anymore.
 

wondering

Supporter
Joined
Dec 26, 2015
Messages
15,527
Gender
Female
I think the world around us is changed one person at a time. Christians demonstrating Christ to people they are in real contact with. The epistles to Christians in Galatia, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc don’t reference a call to straighten out their local governments or the Roman government. Or to push for any kind of law changes. I am not opposed to Christians working in government or holding offices. It’s just that unless we are what we are supposed to be ourselves those things ultimately are useless.
I understand this position of yours very well.
I agree that the world is changed one person at a time.
I just think we're losing the war.
It saddens me that secularism is taking over when, at one time not too long ago, Christianity was accepted in our country and in Europe too. (it's dead there too).
 

wondering

Supporter
Joined
Dec 26, 2015
Messages
15,527
Gender
Female
A case was put to the supreme court in the issue...as if they didn't have equal rights under the law.
Which in my opinion was totally bogus.
Because contractual obligations can create an agreement between any two parties... without claiming it to be a marriage, but it looks just like one.
However, what it does do is force everyone who doesn't agree with the morality of homosexual unions to now endorse such things. Which is a function of the Legislative branch of Government...not the Judiciary.

Which is in part why I didn't like how this came about. Nothing was spelled out in precise details the way laws do...just a legal precedent which people interpret in obscene ways.
And before this many states had passed laws which defined marriage as between one man and one woman. (Most of them)

So when the Judiciary branch of Government creates laws in this fashion they are called an Activist Court. They defied the constitution by over reaching their authority and the will of the people (over 60%) to create this law.
Now the homosexual lobby wants to (and often does) teach sex education to kindergartners and throughout grade school.

Everything from transgendered to all forms of sexual deviancy...as if this behavior is normal and encouraged.

Which of course is appalling... because if this sort of thing is done by parents or guardians it's often punished by child protective services as child molestation.

Getting the picture?

And what Kevin also mentioned in his article was removing pedophilia from criminal statutes... meaning that children are now subject to molestation without reprisal by law.

Because this is not codified laws that are being created...but judicial precedents which people interpret to be laws in various ways.
Thanks John,,,a lot of info.

( I think I moved the other topic).
 

Help support cf.net

Total amount
$1,592.00
Goal
$5,080.00
Top