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Hum how can I begin this...

Well here it goes. So 1000 years Christ reigns over the Earth. How does that work?

People are living 80 maybe 90 years if their lucky. In 1000 years, I can see what about 20 generations of people being birthed?

So how does that work?

Does everyone born in the Millenium become a guaranteed believer from birth?

I mean, how is it that everybody believes in Jesus during the Millenium?

Also, do people just not die during the Millenium?

Also, whether people are born and die during the Millenium or they don't die... why would they rebel against Christ after so long a time of living under his perfect and wonderful rule?

Please keep in mind this is a span of 1 0 0 0 years. Lots of people coming and going in 1000 years...
 

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Hum how can I begin this...

Well here it goes. So 1000 years Christ reigns over the Earth. How does that work?
Exactly as it has worked since 1013. Generations are born, live out their lives and die.

People are living 80 maybe 90 years if their lucky. In 1000 years, I can see what about 20 generations of people being birthed?
There is this little passage that gives a clue...

Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

The only scripture I am aware of that gives a life span for the Millenium or the Last Great Day.

Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

So how does that work?

Does everyone born in the Millenium become a guaranteed believer from birth?
No, they still have their human nature to conquer, but it will be significantly different that the world today with Satan's influence in everything.

I mean, how is it that everybody believes in Jesus during the Millenium?
There will be one religion and all will know the truth of God...

One religion...

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Also, do people just not die during the Millenium?
Of course, but it will be more like a graduation than death. They will experience death for an instant then be made into a Spirit being, except for the occassional rebellious one who goes into cold storage until the third resurrection.

Also, whether people are born and die during the Millenium or they don't die... why would they rebel against Christ after so long a time of living under his perfect and wonderful rule?

Please keep in mind this is a span of 1 0 0 0 years. Lots of people coming and going in 1000 years...
Satan is such a powerful being broadcasting moods and attitudes that some will succumb to him at the end of 1000 years...

Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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Don't forget how long people lived before the flood.

Genesis 5:5 NAS

So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.

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I'm sorry but fighting after a whole 1000 years just makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. none at all. I can't even fathom my amazing Jesus needing to wait a thousand years to finish off the devil after his triumphant return.

Now fighting after ONE day - makes all the sense to me in the world.

I'm simply cannot we even force myself to believe in a literal 1000 years.

IMHO Peter took care of this for us, when he built on the Psalm 90:4 revelation: For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night.

Then Peter expounds on this: 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Without question I see this Revelation that Peter had as a precursor to the Revelation that John received on Patmos.

Anyways - I'm convicted of that so to me Millenium views are moot:sad
 

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Here is one reason that could explain why there will be a final fight between God's people and Satan's. As I see it now there are millions of people whom lived and died in the past and never even heard about the Christ yet we know Jesus promised that both the righteous and unrighteous will be resurrected. So at Jesus return all the living unrighteous will join with the beast and fight against him to their own end. However there will still be all the unrighteous to be brought back, so it would seem these could be the ones whom at the end of the 1000 when Satan is released will join with him and try to attack the holy ones.

Two confrontation one with the living unrighteous and the other with the resurrected unrighteous.

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I'm simply cannot we even force myself to believe in a literal 1000 years.

You are doubting Gods' word because you don't understand it.
Let go of that and believe with your faith.
Do you really believe that you are saved?
Why?
Do you really believe you will live with God for all eternity?
Why?
Isn't that longer than 1000 years?
 
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I'm simply cannot we even force myself to believe in a literal 1000 years.
You are doubting Gods' word because you don't understand it.
Isn't that longer than 1000 years?
That is a VERY arrogant statement to make. I don't doubt God's word. I simply saying that it makes NO sense to me why Christ needs a thousand years to settle things after his 2nd coming.

Makes no sense for Christ to descend from Heaven, split Mt Olive, gather his saint both dead and alive, fight with Satan then put him away. Then rule for a 1000 years and then do it all again. Whereas the people that Christ was ruling over are turned against Christ by Satan when he let loose for a little while and then a final war.

That is ludicrous.

I neither doubt or lack understanding.

But it does make sense for selling books and a good Hollywood movie.
 

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well judging a man cause he is amil? hmm I wont make that decision.
 
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well judging a man cause he is amil? hmm I wont make that decision.
Thanks. I mean I understand we have strong beliefs in our positions but that's why we are here sharing our thoughts. But I cannot judge any of you since I don't even know you personally...
 

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Hum how can I begin this...

Well here it goes. So 1000 years Christ reigns over the Earth. How does that work?

People are living 80 maybe 90 years if their lucky. In 1000 years, I can see what about 20 generations of people being birthed?

So how does that work?

Does everyone born in the Millenium become a guaranteed believer from birth?

I mean, how is it that everybody believes in Jesus during the Millenium?

Also, do people just not die during the Millenium?

Also, whether people are born and die during the Millenium or they don't die... why would they rebel against Christ after so long a time of living under his perfect and wonderful rule?

Please keep in mind this is a span of 1 0 0 0 years. Lots of people coming and going in 1000 years...
First all shall be in their spiritual bodies at this time,so there will be no deaths and no births during this time,as the age of the flesh will be over.....

As for the rebellion,that will happen for the same reason it happened the first time,satan,then known as lucifer....It's called deception....
 

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Hum how can I begin this...

Well here it goes. So 1000 years Christ reigns over the Earth. How does that work?

People are living 80 maybe 90 years if their lucky. In 1000 years, I can see what about 20 generations of people being birthed?

So how does that work?

Does everyone born in the Millenium become a guaranteed believer from birth?

I mean, how is it that everybody believes in Jesus during the Millenium?

Also, do people just not die during the Millenium?

Also, whether people are born and die during the Millenium or they don't die... why would they rebel against Christ after so long a time of living under his perfect and wonderful rule?

Please keep in mind this is a span of 1 0 0 0 years. Lots of people coming and going in 1000 years...
First all shall be in their spiritual bodies at this time,so there will be no deaths and no births during this time,as the age of the flesh will be over.....

As for the rebellion,that will happen for the same reason it happened the first time,satan,then known as lucifer....It's called deception....
Actually, there are scriptures that indicate there will be fleshly humanson earth during the Millenium...

Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Isa 4:5 And the LORD will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence.
Isa 4:6 And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the daytime from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.

Spirit beings aren't much affected by rain.

Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Animal as well as human nature changed. Lions eating straw instead of young gazelles. Poisonous snakes that do not bite children.

Isa 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isa 11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Recovering people from a future captivity.

Isa 35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
Isa 35:2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.
Isa 35:3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.
Isa 35:4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
Isa 35:5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.
Isa 35:6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
Isa 35:7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

Deserts blooming.

Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
Mic 4:4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.

Judging (deciding, determining) among people, rebuking nations, bringing peace and closing West Point, the Naval Academy and the Air Force Academy. Ownership of land and agriculture and no fear.

These are not scenarios of a Spirit world, they don't fit there, but they fit beautifully into a world populated by humans.
 
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All of this stuff belongs on this thread!
This is what will happen in a few short years...
Joel 2
The Day of the Lord

2 Blow the trumpet in Zion,
And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble;
For the day of the Lord is coming,
For it is at hand:
2 A day of darkness and gloominess,
A day of clouds and thick darkness,
Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains.
A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.

3 A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.
4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.
5 With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before them the people writhe in pain;
All faces are drained of color.[a]
7 They run like mighty men,
They climb the wall like men of war;
Every one marches in formation,
And they do not break ranks.
8 They do not push one another;
Every one marches in his own column.[b]
Though they lunge between the weapons,
They are not cut down.[c]
9 They run to and fro in the city,
They run on the wall;
They climb into the houses,
They enter at the windows like a thief.

10 The earth quakes before them,
The heavens tremble;
The sun and moon grow dark,
And the stars diminish their brightness.
11 The Lord gives voice before His army,
For His camp is very great;
For strong is the One who executes His word.
For the day of the Lord is great and very terrible;
Who can endure it?

Zechariah 14
The Day of the Lord

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.[a]

6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.

8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The Lord is one,”[b]
And His name one.
 
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This is a very awesome picture that Joel and Zechariah paint for us.

It clearly shows Christ coming down to Mt Olive with his saints gathered there as well. It even shows the saints already translated since they have superhuman strength.

I personally believe there is no literal 1000 years. I believe what you are seeing here in Joel and Zechariah is to total of 10 days. From Feast of Trumpets to Day of Atonement. The reign of Christ will last for a day (1000) see 2nd Peter 3:8. The governments of the World will simply not know what to do about this person that all have witnessed descend from Space. As well as the mass of followers he has who appeared to have descended with him as well. Satan will be bound in chains during this period of one day, which is the Feast of trumpets. When the day is over, the Devil will be let loose for a short while, until Yom Kippur. In that time, the Devil will convince mankind that this person who came from Space is an Alien. Then they will gather around Jerusalem to attack Jesus and his saints.

Keep in mind that the Middle East is mostly Islamic. Islamic teaching says that the Mahdi will come to save the world and that the Prophet Jesus will assist him! Well, what do you think is going to happen when Jesus tells them - I am the Savior, I am God, I do not need the Mahdi!

And with secular governments increasingly viewing Islam as a more serious religion while Christianity is a religion worthy of mocking, this scenario is becoming more realistic as time goes by...
 
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Peter then says "and a thousand years is as one day". It's the 1000 years as one day that captures my attention. Why did Peter say that? I believe the Holy Spirit spoke these words to Peter as a Primer to understanding the 1000 years in Revelation.

Take a look at the order of things.
Revelation 20

New King James Version (NKJV)

Satan Bound 1,000 Years

20 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
The Saints Reign with Christ 1,000 Years

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[a] thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Satanic Rebellion Crushed

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[b] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
The Great White Throne Judgment

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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The very order of sequence alone reveals to me that this is not a literal 1000 years of time. It is nothing more than a day. Notice that the first resurrection occurs here! Paul says that the dead in Christ will rise first and we which are alive and remain will be caught up to meet him in the air. Paul was speaking of the first resurrection. I'm telling you, there is no 1000 literal years :)

It makes all the sense in the World and the Bible that the first resurrection occurs on the Feast of trumpets - again scripture says, 1Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Then we see a great battle ensue, then then next thing you know, we are at the Great White Throne Judgment - the second death!

Then look what follows in the next chapter!

There is no logical flow with a literal 1000 years. But there is PERFECT harmony between the Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement. Followed up by the Feast of Tabernacles - where God will tabernacle with men Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Zachariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

This verse is telling us that the Feast of Tabernacles will be observed as a memorial to the beginning of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the Kingdom of God which is forever - not a thousand years.

It's so crystal clear to me.
 

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The very order of sequence alone reveals to me that this is not a literal 1000 years of time. It is nothing more than a day. Notice that the first resurrection occurs here! Paul says that the dead in Christ will rise first and we which are alive and remain will be caught up to meet him in the air. Paul was speaking of the first resurrection. I'm telling you, there is no 1000 literal years :)

It makes all the sense in the World and the Bible that the first resurrection occurs on the Feast of trumpets - again scripture says, 1Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Then we see a great battle ensue, then then next thing you know, we are at the Great White Throne Judgment - the second death!

Then look what follows in the next chapter!

There is no logical flow with a literal 1000 years. But there is PERFECT harmony between the Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement. Followed up by the Feast of Tabernacles - where God will tabernacle with men Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Zachariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

This verse is telling us that the Feast of Tabernacles will be observed as a memorial to the beginning of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the Kingdom of God which is forever - not a thousand years.

It's so crystal clear to me.
Nice conclusions but you seem to have missed this...

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

And the Millenium seems crystal clear to me.
 

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The very order of sequence alone reveals to me that this is not a literal 1000 years of time. It is nothing more than a day. Notice that the first resurrection occurs here! Paul says that the dead in Christ will rise first and we which are alive and remain will be caught up to meet him in the air. Paul was speaking of the first resurrection. I'm telling you, there is no 1000 literal years :)

It makes all the sense in the World and the Bible that the first resurrection occurs on the Feast of trumpets - again scripture says, 1Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Then we see a great battle ensue, then then next thing you know, we are at the Great White Throne Judgment - the second death!

Then look what follows in the next chapter!

There is no logical flow with a literal 1000 years. But there is PERFECT harmony between the Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement. Followed up by the Feast of Tabernacles - where God will tabernacle with men Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.

Zachariah 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

This verse is telling us that the Feast of Tabernacles will be observed as a memorial to the beginning of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the Kingdom of God which is forever - not a thousand years.

It's so crystal clear to me.
Here is a problem...

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

The Last Great Day, the time of general salvation for all. Can any man come to Christ presently?

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Why must the Father draw us today?

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

There are those today the Father is not drawing, it is not given unto them. Their day is the Last Great Day...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

What about blinded Israel? Fry 'em? No, mercy to them...

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Now, go back to...

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Not only to Israel, but to all men...

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

If today's Great Controversy is the best God can do toward having all men saved, it is pitiful.
 

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  1. I'm very glad you have mentioned Joel 2 I believe this great army is already here. Mankind at 7 billion is this army eating up and destroying creation. Notice what the full meaning of 'great' is #7227
  2. many
  3. abounding in
  4. more numerous than
  5. abundant,
There has NEVER been so many people alive in known history and on top of that they have built societies in opposition to God and the natural world.

"The land is http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/joel/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-7like the garden of Eden before them But a http://www.biblestudytools.com/nas/joel/2.html#cr-descriptionAnchor-8desolate wilderness behind them,"

For myself we need to allow ourselfs to not only 'see' but to 'preceive' and connect everyday reality to the scriptures.

These events are underway!

Digging
 
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Both responses are leaning in a certain direction ... the judgment. How it will be executed. I stick to my view on it but with further explanation...

I am a firm believer that the 70th week in Daniel is a literal week, while the 69 weeks total 483 years. Daniel is given 70 weeks total to the Messiah. But, interestingly enough the weeks are broken down to 7 weeks and 62 weeks, Daniel 9:25-26. Mysteriously, the 70th week disappears when the Lord reveals more details to Daniel's vision. This is done by divine design IMHO. The 70th week encompasses both of Christ's advents. And here's how this is possible...

Jesus was in the heart of the Earth for three days and nights Mathew 12:40, For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now what was Jesus doing at that time? Answer is found in 1 Peter 3:18-20, For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[e] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited[f] in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.

This is literal. Peter makes no hint of any kind that this is some sort of parable or meta physical thing like some have tried to explain. And it makes perfect sense that Jesus would preach to those who never had a chance to receive Christ as savior since they predated his first advent. That took three days and three nights.

Well it just so happens that there are four days and four nights in between the end of the Day of Atonement and the start of the first day of the feast of Tabernacles. How convenient one might say, well .. yes how convenient indeed, because that is when Jesus will again preach to all those souls who never heard his gospel after his resurrection. There must have been untold millions of people come and gone that never heard the gospel after 31 AD. People living on islands, Australia, the Americas, etc...

This is all handled at the Great White Throne Judgment.

3 days of preaching to lost spirits in first advent and four days of preaching to lost spirits at the second advent. Completing the work of the Messiah in the 70th week.

Hence this passage: “Seventy weeks[a] are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
 
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Joe Domingo

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  1. I'm very glad you have mentioned Joel 2 I believe this great army is already here. Mankind at 7 billion is this army eating up and destroying creation. Notice what the full meaning of 'great' is #7227
  2. many
  3. abounding in
  4. more numerous than
  5. abundant,
There has NEVER been so many people alive in known history and on top of that they have built societies in opposition to God and the natural world.

"The land is like the garden of Eden before them But a desolate wilderness behind them,"

For myself we need to allow ourselfs to not only 'see' but to 'preceive' and connect everyday reality to the scriptures.

These events are underway!

Digging
Um...

The people that come great and strong - are the saints.

Examine their characteristics:

A people come, great and strong,
The like of whom has never been;
Nor will there ever be any such after them,
Even for many successive generations.
3 A fire devours before them,
And behind them a flame burns;
The land is like the Garden of Eden before them,
And behind them a desolate wilderness;
Surely nothing shall escape them.
4 Their appearance is like the appearance of horses;
And like swift steeds, so they run.
5 With a noise like chariots
Over mountaintops they leap,
Like the noise of a flaming fire that devours the stubble,
Like a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before them the people writhe in pain;
All faces are drained of color.[a]
7 They run like mighty men,
They climb the wall like men of war;
Every one marches in formation,
And they do not break ranks.
8 They do not push one another;
Every one marches in his own column.[b]
Though they lunge between the weapons,
They are not cut down.[c]
9 They run to and fro in the city,
They run on the wall;
They climb into the houses,
They enter at the windows like a thief.


This is NOT what human beings can do with their present nature. Also, you don't see any indicators here of aircraft, tanks, etc... this is the description of their raw physical power. Those are Translated saints!.

And look who's army they are:
Joel 2:11 The Lord gives voice before His army,
For His camp is very great;

Joel is actually describing the battle between the Saints of God and the people of the Earth, after the translation of the saints both dead and alive.

May the Lord bring clarity to the reading of his Word.
 

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