Like this post if you believe in pre-trib rapture of the church!

[lisa-in-FL]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

 

[dirtfarmer]

hello lisa-in-Fl. dirtfarmer here

You are not alone. Truthful post. Most don't understand how to "rightly divide the word of truth".

 

[lisa-in-FL]

hello lisa-in-Fl. dirtfarmer here

You are not alone. Truthful post. Most don't understand how to "rightly divide the word of truth".

Thanks brother! Glad to hear it!

And I forgot that this board doesn't allow likes for some reason - too controversial?

 

[Tessa]

There has been many debates of this since I joined and I have only been here a short time. I don't believe in a pre-tribulation.
But it doesn't seem important when you think the end of anyone's life could be tonight, next week or whenever. We need to love and live now whether a pre-trib or not.
The only thing I am 100 per cent sure about is that Jesus Christ is The Son of God made flesh and the saviour of all who follow Him and accept His gift. I am not adamant about pre-trib or not pre-trib, but at this time I don't understand that there will be one.

 

[lisa-in-FL]

There has been many debates of this since I joined and I have only been here a short time. I don't believe in a pre-tribulation.
But it doesn't seem important when you think the end of anyone's life could be tonight, next week or whenever. We need to love and live now whether a pre-trib or not.
The only thing I am 100 per cent sure about is that Jesus Christ is The Son of God made flesh and the saviour of all who follow Him and accept His gift. I am not adamant about pre-trib or not pre-trib, but at this time I don't understand that there will be one.

Thank you Tessa for this view point! I totally agree about the debating. I've been caught up (no pun intended: 1 Thessalonians 4:17) in it because I'm dismayed to see so many people with worries about surviving the tribulation.

I agree that our focus should be on Jesus Christ and spreading his message of salvation to unbelievers. And in fact, if you don't mind my saying it, his commission that we go out into all the world to preach reinforces my belief in a catching away of the Church. He didn't tell us to go into all the world and preach and also start prepping to survive the coming 7 years of judgment.

John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The place prepared for us is in his Father's house, not the mountains in Judea or anywhere else on earth.

Climbing down from the soap box now ;)

 

[Tessa]

We have to hold fast to our faith. No matter whether there is pre-trib or not. Just stating what I believe. But not getting into a debate. I respect your belief and other people's too. The Gospel is the important thing.

 

[Truthfrees]

i'm a pre-tribber too - one of my friends is an avid tribulation believer - not sure whether that means post or mid-trib - i didn't bother asking

even though things will get really bad when the antichrist is in power we still need to live by God's power now - so anyone who learns NOW to live by God's power will be ok during any kind of tribulation

 

[Edward]

It does that were not appointed to wrath...but in several other scriptures it seems to appoint us much suffering while we are here.

I used to be very much so a pre tribber. But I doubt myself on that now. It sorts makes sense that even though we may be here for part of it, that the Lord is likely to save His bride from the worst of it. So I doubt it's post trib..

 

[New Day Coming]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

Amen!

 

[tim-from-pa]

I vacillated between pre-trib and post trib all my life. I even had a site that proposed pre-trib after I was convinced of a pre-trib by a minister. But I took it down when I converted back to post -trib. The reason was simply one: That meeting with the Lord and his return was summarized in the Feast of Trumpets. If that happened when the church was raptured and then again when Christ returned, that would be TWO fulfillments. It made no sense to me. Christ's death on a Wednesday fullfilled the Passover and his interment immediately after fulfilled Unleavened bread. His resurrection late Sabbath fulfilled Firstfruits and Pentecost the feast of weeks. These things only happened once, so the remaining feasts only have one fulfillment. As you can see, I'm very much into the "Hebrew" calendar and proper timing.

 

[jasonc]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

i'm a pre-tribber too - one of my friends is an avid tribulation believer - not sure whether that means post or mid-trib - i didn't bother asking

even though things will get really bad when the antichrist is in power we still need to live by God's power now - so anyone who learns NOW to live by God's power will be ok during any kind of tribulation

Not in any wise ,posy,pre,or mid tribulation. Closer to amil,partial preterist.

It's more complex then we presume is solid.isreal waa in Goshen, th
E judgement upon Egypt never touched Goshen.not even the angel of death touched the faithful.

One can be on the earth in the judgement and not judged

 

[Christ_empowered]

i honestly don't have a firm opinion. I'd certainly -like- to believe in a pre-trib rapture, because that's what I was taught thru Pentecotals, Southern Baptists, etc., but...

I'm not entirely convinced. Part of my "issue" is that pre-trib didn't become a big issue until the 19th century, and then it took a while for the belief to become standard for the more conservative parts of US Protestantism (I have no idea how popular pre-trib is elsewhere...).

As with anything I have 0 control over...I'll cross that bridge when I find it, or...you know...die, first.

 

[dirtfarmer]

dirtfarmer here

What would be served if the "body of believers" were to have any part, partial or completely in the tribulation? The believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit and are "now" children of God. The tribulation is for the purification of Israel. The believer has been translated out of the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of His dear Son and are now children of God. The "Church' was a new revelation; the fulfilling of the kingdom after the tribulation is a finishing(fulfilling) of the promise made to Abraham when God called for his to be separate from the Gentiles as a separate nation.

 

[jasonc]

dirtfarmer here

What would be served if the "body of believers" were to have any part, partial or completely in the tribulation? The believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit and are "now" children of God. The tribulation is for the purification of Israel. The believer has been translated out of the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of His dear Son and are now children of God. The "Church' was a new revelation; the fulfilling of the kingdom after the tribulation is a finishing(fulfilling) of the promise made to Abraham when God called for his to be separate from the Gentiles as a separate nation.

This is exactly why I can't buy it.i.am a jew,I can trace my surname back to early america times.

So you think when isreal is saved that they need the Mosaic laws.?one need to be kosher,raised in the temple to fit the promise.

Isreal of it repents will be as reconciled to God as much as a gentile.plenty of Hebrews are no dead in Christ. I will die,my dad,my brother, my other siblings will,and aunt,great uncle who died all are of isreal.the apostle are all jews,where do we fit, with the rapture or the nation of Israel. I can even show you that ancient isreal was a large gentile grafted in .the largest tribes were from two gentile mixed sons,as is the aaronic priesthood. It was never a pure hebrew concept.

I should do a thread on what the torah was for aND its feasts were only a reminder of what was done .not for atonement but included a purging for sins as you had to be atoned to offer .the exception was for rosh hoshanna,Yom kippur.

That said . And i john saw a large mulitude and asked.who are these washed in white robes? These are those who refused the mark of the beast,were beheaded,and we're cleansed by the blood.

A bunch of the goyim will be saved .where are these gonna fit,of you aren't a hebrew ,what group are you.this group,of either hebrews,gentiles will have to be baptisted,partake a communion of they so have time to live and its a command!

Therefore because Christ ordained those things before the cross, it's part of the church.

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Thanks everyone for sharing your opinions! Glad to know there are a few others out there that believe Christ will come for his Church!

 

[lisa-in-FL]

dirtfarmer here

What would be served if the "body of believers" were to have any part, partial or completely in the tribulation? The believer is sealed by the Holy Spirit and are "now" children of God. The tribulation is for the purification of Israel. The believer has been translated out of the kingdom of darkness, into the kingdom of His dear Son and are now children of God. The "Church' was a new revelation; the fulfilling of the kingdom after the tribulation is a finishing(fulfilling) of the promise made to Abraham when God called for his to be separate from the Gentiles as a separate nation.

 

[lisa-in-FL]

i'm a pre-tribber too - one of my friends is an avid tribulation believer - not sure whether that means post or mid-trib - i didn't bother asking

even though things will get really bad when the antichrist is in power we still need to live by God's power now - so anyone who learns NOW to live by God's power will be ok during any kind of tribulation

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Amen!

 

[Truthfrees]

Not in any wise ,posy,pre,or mid tribulation. Closer to amil,partial preterist.

It's more complex then we presume is solid.isreal waa in Goshen, th
E judgement upon Egypt never touched Goshen.not even the angel of death touched the faithful.

One can be on the earth in the judgement and not judged

interesting - i would like to hear more of how you see the end-times unfolding

 

[Truthfrees]

i'm a pre-tribber too - one of my friends is an avid tribulation believer - not sure whether that means post or mid-trib - i didn't bother asking

even though things will get really bad when the antichrist is in power we still need to live by God's power now - so anyone who learns NOW to live by God's power will be ok during any kind of tribulation

i haven't studied the scriptures for quite a while so going from memory -
1. because noah was saved in the ark - and
2. because we are not appointed to suffer wrath - and
3. because the antichrist can only be revealed when HE Who holds him back is taken out of the earth -
4. and Jesus said the Holy Spirit will never leave us -

i don't see how we can still be here when the antichrist shows up - if the Holy Spirit leaves that must mean we do too

but none the less there are all kinds of pre-trib tribulations that we need God's help to get through - any kind of serious trouble is a type of tribulation - and only God can help us through the many troubles that come our way in this life