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civilwarbuff

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Nothing on the stock market is a guarantee.
401K's crashed 15 years ago and people lost all their savings.
That's why one must sign a prospectus.
"A prospectus is a formal legal document that is required by and filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that provides details about an investment offering for sale to the public."
This must legally be signed because you are gambling with your money.
Sorry AW, you don't sign a prospectus, it is a document that must be provided that simply gives information on the risks of investing.
Can you respond to my questions above?
civilwarbuff said:
Matthew 25:14-30
Guess Jesus approved of "gambling" then........
Is it gambling to invest money in your business?
Is it gambling to invest money in someone elses business?
Is it gambling to loan money so someone can buy a house, business, car?
 

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Oh dear, so loaning money and all forms of finance are now considered gambling? Some interesting opinions on this topic today. ;)
 

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Oh dear, so loaning money and all forms of finance are now considered gambling? Some interesting opinions on this topic today. ;)
Well, if you own preferred stocks or bonds you are loaning a company money. If you buy common stock you own a piece of a corporation. If you deposit money with a bank they loan it out to individuals/businesses.....so where is the difference? You can hide you money under a mattress but what did Jesus say about the servant who buried his master's money?
 

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Well, if you own preferred stocks or bonds you are loaning a company money. If you buy common stock you own a piece of a corporation. If you deposit money with a bank they loan it out to individuals/businesses.....so where is the difference? You can hide you money under a mattress but what did Jesus say about the servant who buried his master's money?
Wasn't that a parable?
Was He really talking about money?
 
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Ah, a thread on one of my pet peeves!

If you listen to Christian financial planner Dan Celia on American Family Radio (or Twitter or Facebook), you'll hear him constantly preach the gospel of "Biblically responsible investing." Basically he is relentlessly shilling for a supposedly "Biblically responsible" family of investment funds. They are, of course, one of his main sponsors, so his advice is scarcely disinterested. I have actually thought of contacting the Federal Trade Commission about whether he should be required to make more disclosures when he pushes unsophisticated callers toward these funds, but so far I have concluded that perhaps his "ministry" (as he characterizes it) does more good than harm.

These funds are theoretically "Biblically responsible" because they do not invest in companies that support pornography, gambling, abortion and other such nastiness. Ergo, God supposedly smiles upon your shekels when you place them with these funds.

Is this all that is required to be "Biblically responsible" and make God smile? For starters, as others have noted, the stock market is simply a legalized form of gambling. With a "Biblically responsible" investment, you are gambling on a company that does not support gambling!

But apart from this, does anyone seriously believe any publicly traded company is "Biblically responsible"? Does anyone seriously believe the American economy is "Biblically responsible"? Biblically speaking, the American economy is a veritable cesspool of greed and corruption, and there is scarcely a publicly traded company that is not contributing its fair share of poop. "What would Jesus do?" is not the operating philosophy of any company for which I've ever worked or of which I've ever heard. It's not even the operating philsophy of most churches.

Animal cruelty, weapons of mass destruction, shady political activities, unbridled greed, business ethics that would make The Donald blush - does Dan Celia care about any of these? No, just stay away from companies that actively support pornography, gambling and abortion and God will be happy. What a pathetic joke!

In one of my favorite quotes from Walden, Thoreau describes what he learned from his unsuccessful forays into the world of business: "I have since learned that trade curses everything it handles; and though you trade in messages from Heaven, the whole curse of trade attaches to the business.” "Biblically responsible investing," at least in the sense of "investing in the stock market," is an oxymoron.
 

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Ah, a thread on one of my pet peeves!

If you listen to Christian financial planner Dan Celia on American Family Radio (or Twitter or Facebook), you'll hear him constantly preach the gospel of "Biblically responsible investing." Basically he is relentlessly shilling for a supposedly "Biblically responsible" family of investment funds. They are, of course, one of his main sponsors, so his advice is scarcely disinterested. I have actually thought of contacting the Federal Trade Commission about whether he should be required to make more disclosures when he pushes unsophisticated callers toward these funds, but so far I have concluded that perhaps his "ministry" (as he characterizes it) does more good than harm.

These funds are theoretically "Biblically responsible" because they do not invest in companies that support pornography, gambling, abortion and other such nastiness. Ergo, God supposedly smiles upon your shekels when you place them with these funds.

Is this all that is required to be "Biblically responsible" and make God smile? For starters, as others have noted, the stock market is simply a legalized form of gambling. With a "Biblically responsible" investment, you are gambling on a company that does not support gambling!

But apart from this, does anyone seriously believe any publicly traded company is "Biblically responsible"? Does anyone seriously believe the American economy is "Biblically responsible"? Biblically speaking, the American economy is a veritable cesspool of greed and corruption, and there is scarcely a publicly traded company that is not contributing its fair share of poop. "What would Jesus do?" is not the operating philosophy of any company for which I've ever worked or of which I've ever heard. It's not even the operating philsophy of most churches.

Animal cruelty, weapons of mass destruction, shady political activities, unbridled greed, business ethics that would make The Donald blush - does Dan Celia care about any of these? No, just stay away from companies that actively support pornography, gambling and abortion and God will be happy. What a pathetic joke!

In one of my favorite quotes from Walden, Thoreau describes what he learned from his unsuccessful forays into the world of business: "I have since learned that trade curses everything it handles; and though you trade in messages from Heaven, the whole curse of trade attaches to the business.” "Biblically responsible investing," at least in the sense of "investing in the stock market," is an oxymoron.
Thank you.
I wish I knew how to say that.
Well done!
 

jasonc

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Sounds like you are a gambler looking to justify what you do.
I know that there are funds that do the above, but I don't know any specifically.
You probably could research this on the net and then just buy the fund yourself.
do you both have the mindset and money to loose based on your lack of knowledge?

when you collect your retirement who paid for that pension and took the money and invested it? bonds, those are sold and bought on the market? annuities? yes, gold, , silver? yes. even the government while limited in what I can invest in does that. there is no trust fund but a borrowed and return money based on interest gained from sold and purchased bonds, along with current taxes collected.

I have no more government pension, the republicans here voted it away. so I have a 457k which incurs risk so that I don't feel the market fluxes at retirement by adjusting stocks into low risk and high risk, most of it is high risk when you start then it switches as you age. my trust fund also is invested, putting a million in a bank will not last long and collect little compared to the market. you cant easily pull money from a cd anyway, its locked for some many years, a trust that is invested isn't.
 

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Ah, a thread on one of my pet peeves!

If you listen to Christian financial planner Dan Celia on American Family Radio (or Twitter or Facebook), you'll hear him constantly preach the gospel of "Biblically responsible investing." Basically he is relentlessly shilling for a supposedly "Biblically responsible" family of investment funds. They are, of course, one of his main sponsors, so his advice is scarcely disinterested. I have actually thought of contacting the Federal Trade Commission about whether he should be required to make more disclosures when he pushes unsophisticated callers toward these funds, but so far I have concluded that perhaps his "ministry" (as he characterizes it) does more good than harm.

These funds are theoretically "Biblically responsible" because they do not invest in companies that support pornography, gambling, abortion and other such nastiness. Ergo, God supposedly smiles upon your shekels when you place them with these funds.

Is this all that is required to be "Biblically responsible" and make God smile? For starters, as others have noted, the stock market is simply a legalized form of gambling. With a "Biblically responsible" investment, you are gambling on a company that does not support gambling!

But apart from this, does anyone seriously believe any publicly traded company is "Biblically responsible"? Does anyone seriously believe the American economy is "Biblically responsible"? Biblically speaking, the American economy is a veritable cesspool of greed and corruption, and there is scarcely a publicly traded company that is not contributing its fair share of poop. "What would Jesus do?" is not the operating philosophy of any company for which I've ever worked or of which I've ever heard. It's not even the operating philsophy of most churches.

Animal cruelty, weapons of mass destruction, shady political activities, unbridled greed, business ethics that would make The Donald blush - does Dan Celia care about any of these? No, just stay away from companies that actively support pornography, gambling and abortion and God will be happy. What a pathetic joke!

In one of my favorite quotes from Walden, Thoreau describes what he learned from his unsuccessful forays into the world of business: "I have since learned that trade curses everything it handles; and though you trade in messages from Heaven, the whole curse of trade attaches to the business.” "Biblically responsible investing," at least in the sense of "investing in the stock market," is an oxymoron.
Hey Runner, I was baptized in Walden Pond, 1985.
I have a picture some where......
 

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do you both have the mindset and money to loose based on your lack of knowledge?

when you collect your retirement who paid for that pension and took the money and invested it? bonds, those are sold and bought on the market? annuities? yes, gold, , silver? yes. even the government while limited in what I can invest in does that. there is no trust fund but a borrowed and return money based on interest gained from sold and purchased bonds, along with current taxes collected.

I have no more government pension, the republicans here voted it away. so I have a 457k which incurs risk so that I don't feel the market fluxes at retirement by adjusting stocks into low risk and high risk, most of it is high risk when you start then it switches as you age. my trust fund also is invested, putting a million in a bank will not last long and collect little compared to the market. you cant easily pull money from a cd anyway, its locked for some many years, a trust that is invested isn't.
Huh??
You lost me at the bakery.
But it sounds good.
 

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do you both have the mindset and money to loose based on your lack of knowledge?

when you collect your retirement who paid for that pension and took the money and invested it? bonds, those are sold and bought on the market? annuities? yes, gold, , silver? yes. even the government while limited in what I can invest in does that. there is no trust fund but a borrowed and return money based on interest gained from sold and purchased bonds, along with current taxes collected.

I have no more government pension, the republicans here voted it away. so I have a 457k which incurs risk so that I don't feel the market fluxes at retirement by adjusting stocks into low risk and high risk, most of it is high risk when you start then it switches as you age. my trust fund also is invested, putting a million in a bank will not last long and collect little compared to the market. you cant easily pull money from a cd anyway, its locked for some many years, a trust that is invested isn't.
I hope all works out well for you.
God bless you.
 

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oh and banks, any one of them local, nation and international all have someone who specializes in investing. some banks do have a branch that is separate from the normal side of banking
 

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oh and banks, any one of them local, nation and international all have someone who specializes in investing. some banks do have a branch that is separate from the normal side of banking
And...that means...?
 

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I hope all works out well for you.
God bless you.
I don't put my trust in them but we are living in the here and until we die or He returns we should have a plan of when I'm too old to work and want to retire. is it fair to simply not save as much as I can.? a bank on the best day has no more then a 2 percent apr gain. that's only a annual gain of a few thousand per a million saved per year. that's nothing. low risk investments are, utilities, grocers, and so forth. these do go up and down and will return money but are great for stability.
 

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So a person has an idea of a Company he / she wants to start up and after successfully running the company for a couple of years decides to list the company on the stock market to raise funds of which will allow for expansion and the creation of thousands of jobs, please do quote us directly from the Bible 1/ where the company Directors are sinning through seeking funds for expansion and the creation of thousands of jobs and 2/ How the providers of finance for this company are also sinners for the provision of finance. ;)
 

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And...that means...?
practice what you preach, you collect a ssi check? yes. if so then you are receiving money from government gambling. some say a Ponzi scheme. oh that would be me as most government pensions are in fact. robbing the workers to pay those collecting and broke by the time the worker is old enough to collect, such is the case with the pension plan I was on. 59 percent funded. the city paid a group to invest and they lost and had to start taking more money to keep it going. it become a burden and they kept all that have money in it and changed the plans to a roth ira,401a,457k. why is it that I'm the only one here who seems to know this? yall(save civilwarbuff as he agrees with me) seem to not know this.
 

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So a person has an idea of a Company he / she wants to start up and after successfully running the company for a couple of years decides to list the company on the stock market to raise funds of which will allow for expansion and the creation of thousands of jobs, please do quote us directly from the Bible 1/ where the company Directors are sinning through seeking funds for expansion and the creation of thousands of jobs and 2/ How the providers of finance for this company are also sinners for the provision of finance. ;)
that's called public incorporation.
 

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So a person has an idea of a Company he / she wants to start up and after successfully running the company for a couple of years decides to list the company on the stock market to raise funds of which will allow for expansion and the creation of thousands of jobs, please do quote us directly from the Bible 1/ where the company Directors are sinning through seeking funds for expansion and the creation of thousands of jobs and 2/ How the providers of finance for this company are also sinners for the provision of finance. ;)
If your expansion fails for any number of reasons, and your business goes down the drain, and you default on all your loans, just remember, Ecclesiastes 5:5;, "It is better that you not vow than that you should vow and not pay".
 

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