Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

[AVBunyan]

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

There is a lot debate today on losing one's salvation. I've decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.

Now, I don't know what that “something†could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.

See how easy it is! Now, let's go down a simple list of things that God did and all you have to do is make this list your check list and mark them all as you undo them. OK put your tennis shoes on and let's go!!!

1) Get God to un-forgive you – Eph. 1:7

2) Get God to un-redeem you - Rom. 3:24

3) Get God to un-circumcise you – Col. 2:13

4) Get God to un-adopt you – Rom. 8:15

5) Get God to un-seat you – Eph. 2:6

6) Get God to un-sanctify you – I Cor. 6:11

7) Get God to un-glorify you – Rom. 8:30

8) Get God to un-seal you – Eph. 1:13

9) Get God to un-justify you – Rom. 3:24; 8:30

10) Get God to un-bless you – Eph. 1:3

11) Get God to un-bury you – Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12

12) Get God to un-raise you – Eph. 2:6

13) Get God to un-quicken you – Eph. 2:1

14) Get God to take Christ out of you – Col. 1:27

15) Get God to take you out of Christ's physical body – Eph. 5:30

And a few more that I failed to present here.

Now, you see how simple that was – if you can undo all that God has done for you then you are free and clear once again. Then when you “repent†and get right then all the above 15 things will happen again. Then when you “sin it away†again then you can undo it all over again! My what a life! About as confusing as a termite in a yoyo!

Yes, I know all those verses in Matthew (before the cross) and all those verses in Hebrews and James (doctrinally during the tribulation) and of course Revelation (during the 7 year tribulation where the body of Christ is not present anyway) – Yes, I've seen all those verses, had them thrown out of context at me for over 28 years now.

Until you can show me how a blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated saint in this age can lose all that God has done for him then I might give you a listen. Until then I will stay secure in Christ for all eternity – glory!!!

 

[AVBunyan]

The Absurdity of Losing Salvation

If You Believe You Can Lose Your Salvation…
It Is Possible You May Have Missed Calvary

There is much talk today about losing salvation. The issue is not that can one lose his salvation but the truth of the matter is the real issue is they don't know what really happened at Calvary . These people don't understand at all the doctrine of salvation.

The heart of the matter is how is the sinner brought back into the proper standing so that he can have fellowship with God. To put it more simply, how is a man saved today. Man's dilemma is how can he become righteous before God. In order for the sinner to spend eternity with God he must be holy before God (Heb. 12:14; Hab. 1:13). The sinner has to be reconciled and justified before God in order to spend eternity with God.

Part I. Let's first look at the condition of the unsaved man. He is lost (II Cor. 4:3), having no hope (Eph. 2:12), separated (Isa. 59:2), unregenerate (Titus 3:5), darkened Eph. 4:18, unprofitable (Rom. 3:12), and under the wrath of God (John 3:36), and in the flesh Rom. 8:8. He is stuck in the mud big time. A dead man cannot pull himself up out of the miry muck for he is dead!

Part II. Without going into all the doctrine of salvation let's just look at what God did to the sinner. There were several things that God did to bring the sinner into the family of God. By a supernatural work of God the sinner was reconciled to God (Rom. 5:10), made righteous (Rom. 3:22), justified (Rom. 3:24), and redeemed (Gal. 3:13). Then as a result some more things happened: the saint was sealed (Eph. 2:6), seated (Eph. 2:6), saved Eph. 2:8, adopted (Eph. 1:5), quickened (Eph. 2:5), circumcised (Col. 2: 11), raised up (Eph. 2:6), forgiven (Col. 1:14), blessed (Eph. 1:3), accepted (Eph. 1:6), sanctified (Col. 1:30), put into the body of Christ and made to be bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh (Eph. 5:30) and glorified (Rom. 8:30). This is quite a work, I might say.

Now the above fourteen things (and probably more) happened instantaneously when God saved the sinner. So, the people who say they can lose their salvation are saying that they or God can or will undo all of Part II and go back to Part I. Now let's see how one can lose their salvation. When we talk of one losing their salvation we are talking about the person in Part II. We are talking about the one who lived after Calvary and before the Tribulation period who had at least 14 different miraculous things done to him regarding his salvation. Instead of listing all the verses you have used in the past I will just list where they are found. When we talk about one losing his salvation we are not directing it to:

1. Jews or Gentiles under the Old Testament Law before Calvary (Gen. - Mal.).

2. Jews and Gentile during the gospels, which basically fall into the first category of being before Calvary (Gospels).

3. Unbelieving Jews Paul was directing Hebrews 3 and 5 to (Hebrews).

4. The 12 tribes scattered abroad in James, which doctrinally deals with the tribulation period (Hebrews thru Revelation).

5. Unbelieving Jew or Gentile during the Tribulation period – primarily the book of Revelation.

Most of the verses you use to try and prove a saint can lose his salvation in this age of grace are found in the above books to in Paul's epistles (except Hebrews of Paul wrote Hebrews).

The person we want you to show to us that can lose their salvation is that blood-bought redeemed sinner after Calvary where Christ died for their sins.

Let's look at this – we have a sinner saved by grace today and falls into the Part II category (redeemed, saved, regenerated, sealed, etc.). At some point in his life he loses his salvation based upon some mysterious way that you have conjured up (whatever that may be). I am assuming at that point he becomes unreconciled, made unrighteous, unjustified, unredeemed. Then as a result of his “unpardonable sin†or whatever criteria you have dreamed up for one to lose his salvation he becomes unsealed, unseated, unsaved, unadopted, unquickened, uncircumcised, unraised, unforgiven, unblessed, unaccepted, unsanctified, unglorified again, and finally, kicked out of Christ's physical body! In other words this saint loses his salvation by doing something or a bunch of things??? And then all that God did for him (Part II) gets undone! The poor ex-saint is back to Part I again!

Let's carry this further – now the poor, lost, ex-saint gets saved again!!! Now God reapplies all of Part II and all is ok – but then he blows it again and all is undone again and he is back to Part I!!! And then he repents and he's back to Part II! Does anyone see how ridiculous this is getting? If you can give me one example of this happening in the scriptures I might listen. I know you will say that once he loses it he can never get it back again – yes, real neat system you have there.

The problem (or blessing) is this – the sinner was reconciled by the DEATH OF CHRIST. The sinner was JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST and made RIGHTEOUS and SEALED UNTIL the DAY OF REDEMPTION – DONE FOREVER and nothing you can do can undo that!

Now, you can show me where a man before Calvary does not have this blessing and that a man in the tribulation does not have this blessing but you can't show me in Paul's epistles during this age of grace after Calvary that a man can fall out of what God put him into today!

If you still think you can lose your salvation then you are doing something to lose your salvation and you are not trusting Christ to keep you. You say, “I believed on Christ and he will do his part but I have to do my part or keep from doing something that will cause me to fall away.†Then if that is the case then you are still trusting yourself to endure to the end so in reality you are not trusting Christ at all you are counting on you to hold out till the end, which is, works salvation, which is a sure ticket to hell.

Instead of trying to prove you can lose it why not spend some time seeing what really took place at Calvary and then you would not be spending time trying to show people you can lose it.

May God bless

 

[Elf]

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

There is a lot debate today on losing one's salvation. I've decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.

Now, I don't know what that “something†could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.

See how easy it is! Now, let's go down a simple list of things that God did and all you have to do is make this list your check list and mark them all as you undo them. OK put your tennis shoes on and let's go!!!

1) Get God to un-forgive you – Eph. 1:7

2) Get God to un-redeem you - Rom. 3:24

3) Get God to un-circumcise you – Col. 2:13

4) Get God to un-adopt you – Rom. 8:15

5) Get God to un-seat you – Eph. 2:6

6) Get God to un-sanctify you – I Cor. 6:11

7) Get God to un-glorify you – Rom. 8:30

8) Get God to un-seal you – Eph. 1:13

9) Get God to un-justify you – Rom. 3:24; 8:30

10) Get God to un-bless you – Eph. 1:3

11) Get God to un-bury you – Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12

12) Get God to un-raise you – Eph. 2:6

13) Get God to un-quicken you – Eph. 2:1

14) Get God to take Christ out of you – Col. 1:27

15) Get God to take you out of Christ's physical body – Eph. 5:30

And a few more that I failed to present here.

Now, you see how simple that was – if you can undo all that God has done for you then you are free and clear once again. Then when you “repent†and get right then all the above 15 things will happen again. Then when you “sin it away†again then you can undo it all over again! My what a life! About as confusing as a termite in a yoyo!

Yes, I know all those verses in Matthew (before the cross) and all those verses in Hebrews and James (doctrinally during the tribulation) and of course Revelation (during the 7 year tribulation where the body of Christ is not present anyway) – Yes, I've seen all those verses, had them thrown out of context at me for over 28 years now.

Until you can show me how a blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated saint in this age can lose all that God has done for him then I might give you a listen. Until then I will stay secure in Christ for all eternity – glory!!!

Finally explained....

 

[Grace]

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

There is a lot debate today on losing one's salvation. I've decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.

Now, I don't know what that “something†could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.

See how easy it is! Now, let's go down a simple list of things that God did and all you have to do is make this list your check list and mark them all as you undo them. OK put your tennis shoes on and let's go!!!

1) Get God to un-forgive you – Eph. 1:7

2) Get God to un-redeem you - Rom. 3:24

3) Get God to un-circumcise you – Col. 2:13

4) Get God to un-adopt you – Rom. 8:15

5) Get God to un-seat you – Eph. 2:6

6) Get God to un-sanctify you – I Cor. 6:11

7) Get God to un-glorify you – Rom. 8:30

8) Get God to un-seal you – Eph. 1:13

9) Get God to un-justify you – Rom. 3:24; 8:30

10) Get God to un-bless you – Eph. 1:3

11) Get God to un-bury you – Rom. 6:4; Col. 2:12

12) Get God to un-raise you – Eph. 2:6

13) Get God to un-quicken you – Eph. 2:1

14) Get God to take Christ out of you – Col. 1:27

15) Get God to take you out of Christ's physical body – Eph. 5:30

And a few more that I failed to present here.

Now, you see how simple that was – if you can undo all that God has done for you then you are free and clear once again. Then when you “repent†and get right then all the above 15 things will happen again. Then when you “sin it away†again then you can undo it all over again! My what a life! About as confusing as a termite in a yoyo!

Yes, I know all those verses in Matthew (before the cross) and all those verses in Hebrews and James (doctrinally during the tribulation) and of course Revelation (during the 7 year tribulation where the body of Christ is not present anyway) – Yes, I've seen all those verses, had them thrown out of context at me for over 28 years now.

Until you can show me how a blood-bought, redeemed, regenerated saint in this age can lose all that God has done for him then I might give you a listen. Until then I will stay secure in Christ for all eternity – glory!!!

 

[Danus]

2 steps?....I can boil it down to one step.

1. reject Christ sacrifice for your salvation. DONE.

 

[glorydaz]

If man is responsible for keeping himself saved, then no man will ever see the kingdom of God.

He can spend his entire life striving to obey every commandment uttered by Christ and those written in stone, confessing every sin he thinks may be willful or presumptuous, wishing and hoping and dreaming he will someday not be turned away at the gates of heaven as an "unprofitable servant". Or, he can rest in the work of the cross and be assured that God will pick him up when he falls, hide him in the shelter of His wings, and refine him into pure gold until he's taken to the place God has prepared for him. Jesus Christ is the author and the finisher of our faith. It's His work and for His glory...not man's.

 

[AVBunyan]

If man is responsible for keeping himself saved, then no man will ever see the kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is the author and the finisher of our faith. It's His work and for His glory...not man's.

Nice work.

 

[glorydaz]

If man is responsible for keeping himself saved, then no man will ever see the kingdom of God. Jesus Christ is the author and the finisher of our faith. It's His work and for His glory...not man's.

Nice work.

I'll say the same back at ya. It's nice to see you posting again, brother.

 

[Free]

If only theology were that easy.

 

[glorydaz]

If only theology were that easy.

The Gospel is easy enough that the least among us can see the truth.

Sometimes I think the we study too much for our own good.
Man has a tendency to outsmart himself. :biglaugh

 

[watchman F]

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.
2. Undo all that God did at your salvation.

There are two easier stops than that.
1. Denounce God.
2. Denounce all He has even been or done.

 

[watchman F]

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

There is a lot debate today on losing one's salvation. I've decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.

Now, I don't know what that “something†could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

Actually Paul told us exactly how we could loose our salvation. That is another two step (pun intended)
1. Do not keep the faith.
2. Be moved away from the hope of the gospel.

 

[watchman F]

The Absurdity of Losing Salvation

Paul warned us of doctrines such as OSAS.

2nd Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[glorydaz]

The Absurdity of Losing Salvation

Paul warned us of doctrines such as OSAS.

2nd Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You're using the Word of God deceitfully.
Paul knew the power of the blood of the cross, and the keeping power of God, which is more than I can say for those who deny it.

You are not the holder of sound doctrine, so to use such a verse in such a way is wrong.

 

[glorydaz]

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

There is a lot debate today on losing one's salvation. I've decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.

Now, I don't know what that “something†could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

Actually Paul told us exactly how we could loose our salvation. That is another two step (pun intended)
1. Do not keep the faith.
2. Be moved away from the hope of the gospel.

Verses?

 

[watchman F]

Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

There is a lot debate today on losing one's salvation. I've decided to boil it down to 2 simple steps to make it easy for you.

1. Do something that causes you to lose it.

Now, I don't know what that “something†could be because Paul never talked about it and since Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles and the revealer of the body of Christ to us today then he would be the one to tell us what to do to lose it. Since Paul spent 13 epistles expounding Christ and justification surely he would spend some time on how to lose it!

Actually Paul told us exactly how we could loose our salvation. That is another two step (pun intended)
1. Do not keep the faith.
2. Be moved away from the hope of the gospel.

Verses?

Colossians 1
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

 

[Free]

If only theology were that easy.

The Gospel is easy enough that the least among us can see the truth.

Sometimes I think the we study too much for our own good.
Man has a tendency to outsmart himself. :biglaugh

The problem isn't studying too much, it's studying with a narrow mind too much, studying one's own beliefs too much while ignoring the entirety of the text.

 

[watchman F]

The Absurdity of Losing Salvation

Paul warned us of doctrines such as OSAS.

2nd Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

You're using the Word of God deceitfully.
Paul knew the power of the blood of the cross, and the keeping power of God, which is more than I can say for those who deny it.

You are not the holder of sound doctrine, so to use such a verse in such a way is wrong.

This is what Paul thought of those who taught and lived out the OSAS lifestyle
Philippians 3
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

If your will was to please God you would not need the OSAS doctrine, but since you want it both ways, to fulfill the lust of your flesh and get into Heaven you need too hold fast to the False OSAS doctrine. Another scripture for false OSAS teachers.
Romans 16
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

[watchman F]

If only theology were that easy.

The Gospel is easy enough that the least among us can see the truth.

Sometimes I think the we study too much for our own good.
Man has a tendency to outsmart himself. :biglaugh

The problem isn't studying too much, it's studying with a narrow mind too much, studying one's own beliefs too much while ignoring the entirety of the text.

Exactly free OSAS believers willfully blind themselves to the entirety of the scripture and with tunnel vision only see the verses that fulfill their fleshly desire.

 

[glorydaz]

Verses?

Colossians 1
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 IF ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, IF we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

In Col., does this “if†indicate that our salvation depends upon us? What if our faith fails? It's the faith of Christ by which we're saved, and that will never fail. Paul is saying if you're among those who have been presented "holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:" and not those who are moved away from the hope of the gospel ... those who went out...

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Salvation was an accomplished event at the moment of faith.

Same with Hebrews...we are made partakers IF we hold fast until we enter into Christ. He is the author and finisher of our faith. He is the beginning and end of faith. We strive to enter into the kingdom and then we rest in the finished work of the cross.

Both these sections of scripture are talking about continuing on unto salvation...."they would NO DOUBT (not maybe) have continued with us."