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Is that just another word for bread? And do people still eat it? I've never heard of it before until reading about it in the Bible.
 
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Is that just another word for bread? And do people still eat it? I've never heard of it before until reading about it in the Bible.
Well I know manna was liken that of the coriander seed you can find that in Ex. 16:31 and Num.11:7. I know some Rabbi's believe it was the coriander seed that God use for the children of Israel mentioned in, Ex.16:14,15.

You can still find coriander seed today as a spice, to me it has a lemon scent to them.
 

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Well I know manna was liken that of the coriander seed you can find that in Ex. 16:31 and Num.11:7. I know some Rabbi's believe it was the coriander seed that God use for the children of Israel mentioned in, Ex.16:14,15.

You can still find coriander seed today as a spice, to me it has a lemon scent to them.




Hmm,.. interesting. :)
 

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Manna is literally Hebrew for, "What is it?" Haha, so we don't know exactly what it was. We do know it fell from Heaven to feed the Israelites on their way to the promised land of Israel. The manna ceased falling from Heaven the day the Israelites ate the produce in the Promised Land. I do not believe people eat it today nor can we replicate it.

In Exodus 16:15 it mentions:
When the people of Israel saw it, they said to one another, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was. And Moses said to them, “It is the bread that the Lord has given you to eat.

The word "bread" here is the Hebrew word "lechem", which can mean:
Outline of Biblical Usage
bread, food, grain
bread
bread-corn
food (in general)


So was it bread? I don't know if this is enough to confirm so since "food" in general is used for that word, too. But, we do see wafers, bread, bread of angels, and grain of Heaven used often.

In Exodus 16:31 we see:
Now the house of Israel called its name manna. It was like coriander seed, white, and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.


It really does sound Heavenly =)
 

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I've done some research on this...
Apparently it's some kind of product of a type of bee that fits the explanation.
But the size of swarm necessary to feed 6 million people? It would have been similar to a plague...
And bees don't travel until after sunrise. (Dawn takes hours before sunrise in the area they were traveling...it starts as the sun hits parts of India several thousands of miles away)

It was good stuff...but it too can get monotonous. That's why God sent the birds for them to eat...then they got all worried and greedy and got an appropriate curse.
They got the message from the resulting plague.

That time in the desert trained the Israelites to be perfectly obedient. You did as you were told or else you died painfully.

Forty years of the lessons on obedience don't evaporate overnight.
 

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I've done some research on this...
Apparently it's some kind of product of a type of bee that fits the explanation.
But the size of swarm necessary to feed 6 million people? It would have been similar to a plague...
And bees don't travel until after sunrise. (Dawn takes hours before sunrise in the area they were traveling...it starts as the sun hits parts of India several thousands of miles away)

It was good stuff...but it too can get monotonous. That's why God sent the birds for them to eat...then they got all worried and greedy and got an appropriate curse.
They got the message from the resulting plague.

That time in the desert trained the Israelites to be perfectly obedient. You did as you were told or else you died painfully.

Forty years of the lessons on obedience don't evaporate overnight.




I get everything that you're trying to say except for the bee stuff. :confused2
 

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I get everything that you're trying to say except for the bee stuff. :confused2
I didn't really understand it either...
But it apparently is some kind of blend of honey and regurgitation or excrement that a particular bee makes. And apparently these bees are raised in hives that are surrounded by plastic sheeting so this stuff can be consumed. (As well as the honey) and it isn't produced in the quantities needed to feed anyone.

But since these bees don't produce a lot of honey they aren't farmed very often.

Just one of those factoids you run across and run off with.

All the "miracles" were actually naturally occurring events with explanations. But their timing was extraordinary. Since God created the natural order...He didn't feel the need to go beyond it to accomplish His wishes.
 

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The manna only lasted one day - except on the Sabbath.

How could it be physically different on that day?
 

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I didn't really understand it either...
But it apparently is some kind of blend of honey and regurgitation or excrement that a particular bee makes. And apparently these bees are raised in hives that are surrounded by plastic sheeting so this stuff can be consumed. (As well as the honey) and it isn't produced in the quantities needed to feed anyone.

But since these bees don't produce a lot of honey they aren't farmed very often.

Just one of those factoids you run across and run off with.

All the "miracles" were actually naturally occurring events with explanations. But their timing was extraordinary. Since God created the natural order...He didn't feel the need to go beyond it to accomplish His wishes.
I couldn't have been honey. It was more likely bee pollen and the pollen of plants. The manna didn't fall from the heavens, it was formed with the morning dew. What they collected was the residue that was left after the morning dew had evaporated.
 

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I couldn't have been honey. It was more likely bee pollen and the pollen of plants. The manna didn't fall from the heavens, it was formed with the morning dew. What they collected was the residue that was left after the morning dew had evaporated.
I said that it wasn't honey either.
It is some kind of bee product that had honey in it.
Also the part in scripture about morning dew is important as the morning Dew in that region is heavy. It doesn't happen year around.
But if it does happen it's heavy enough to wash the stuff off of the rocks.

I also said that the size of swarm needed to feed 6 million people would have blotted out the sun and that they would have been in darkness.

Manna was a miracle. But it actually relates to a bee product that is known and has been observed. It is not honey but it has some in it. It also has an anise type flavor to it as well.

So...where I haven't tasted any myself I would like to some day.
It's an oddity that still exists. Just like locust boiled in ghee (clarified butter) is still eaten today.
 

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I till find it odd that manna could last two days the last time it was collected before the Sabbath, but only one day ordinarily. I regard every day alike.
 

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All the "miracles" were actually naturally occurring events with explanations. But their timing was extraordinary. Since God created the natural order...He didn't feel the need to go beyond it to accomplish His wishes.
This sort of does not make sense to me. It kind of had to be miraculous. If the manna was a naturally occurring substance, but it only lasted for one day, then how could this same naturally occurring substance then last for two days on the sabbath?

And as a side note, from what I understand, all of the Israelite's clothing and shoes etc., did not wear out for these 40 years in the desert. That is no naturally occurring event for that to happen and has no explanation to it.
 

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The preservation, the lack of preservation, and the volume are definitely miraculous.

I didn't say that they weren't miraculous events.
But that the manna is something known. But it doesn't spoil quickly and it doesn't evaporate .

And the volume of it needed to feed 6 million people is also miraculous.

So...
 

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The manna only lasted one day - except on the Sabbath.

How could it be physically different on that day?
The day before the Sabbath. They were instructed to gathered a two day supply of the manna.

They were to bake & hold one day, to be eaten on the Sabbath when NO work/gathering was allowed..

Ex 16:
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.

BTW to anyone that is reading this thread:

The Jewish Study Bible, places the omer measurement at about 2.3 liters.

We are in fact instructed to eat manna (found in the Lords Supper) today.

See John 6:34-59
 
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Manna is literally Hebrew for, "What is it?"
Yes. I wanted to say it might be more akin to our slang, "Wat-dat??" So I searched for the source of my impression and found something here:

Strong’s Definitions
מָן
mân, mawn; from H4100; literally a whatness (so to speak), i.e. manna (so called from the question about it):—manna.

It's literally a "whatness," so to speak. Picture the Children of Israel wandering around, hungry and hangry and then lo and behold, they see this stuff (so to speak) and they exclaim, in wonder, "wat is dis?" That is manna. Not to be confused with mana, the blue stuff that powers magic in some modern online games, no. [/wink]

This sort of does not make sense to me. It kind of had to be miraculous. If the manna was a naturally occurring substance, but it only lasted for one day, then how could this same naturally occurring substance then last for two days on the sabbath?
Greetings, Edward!

There is a growing segment of our community that attempts to explain all things under the guise of
Religious Naturalism

I'm NOT speaking for others here. But the converse of "all things continue as they were from the beginning," is, "all thing from the beginning are as they're seen today," right? It's okay to explain things but let's not forget the need for faith. The belief in the unseen of this world includes how God created and interacted with us in order to progressively reveal himself. For instance, if it were not for that man, Jesus, none would know the Father, our God. None could know Him. Not one.

Faith is the substance of things... oops, church-speak again. Quick translation: It is okay to be sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. That would include miracles. You, yourself, are one such miracle. I know your testimony and am glad to see you here. The living word of God in YOUR mouth, sir? That is another "whatness," (another manna) as it is when found in mine. Was that a type / anti-type of Jesus, our "Bread from Heaven"?
 
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. . . continuing along with the thought, "Jesus is our manna."

The idea of manna being a "whatness" goes along with another concept I've picked up along the way. Have you heard the word, "Kodesh," meaning "Holy"? Isaiah was a Statesman, a prophet's Prophet. He frequented royal palaces and kept company with Kings. Just listen to what the Google says about him
Search: ISAIAH was a statesman

When this eloquent man appeared before God and heard the cry of the Seraph, "Holy, holy, holy..." he was mortified, to say the least.


Pardon the digression but there were, at the time, two common pronouncements or forms of utterance commonly used by Prophets. One was a blessing, "Happy [blessed] is the one who waits on the Lord, for he...." and the other was a curse, "Woe unto the man who..." Yiddish for the later is the "Oy vey!" Or more formally, "Oy vey ist mir," meaning, "Woe is me." Isaiah's response to the utter otherness and apartness of the Holiness of God was to pronounce a curse upon himself.
“Doom! It’s Doomsday!
I’m as good as dead!
Every word I’ve ever spoken is tainted—
blasphemous even!
And the people I live with talk the same way,
using words that corrupt and desecrate.
And here I’ve looked God in the face!
The King! God-of-the-Angel-Armies!”

He was so all-together other and separate from anything in the experience of even the Prophet Isaiah... but not only that. There was trembling of flesh when the mountain shook and the birds (flesh) died as they approached. You remember. The Children of Israel were invited to go up with Moses, but they were afraid and did not. Moses too, then was a type / anti-type of Jesus.

Can we see the "whatness" of God? Jesus is our whatness and He says, "If we are not ashamed of him, neither will he be ashamed of us. You, me, we ... are known of God. How can it be that He offered His righteousness in trade for our shame???

It is the Lord. It is the LORD. Hallelujah, there is no other Other than the whatness we are becoming by the WORD in us and the renewing of our minds. Now, we remove our sandals. Now we are transformed. It's invisible and the world can not see. We know not what we shall be but we shall be like Him.

This is our heritage, our food. The Word of God. Alive and quickened in us. The time is short and our King is coming. Do me a favor, when you will, and read Hosea 2:14-23. Add two more words to your daily bread, "Ishi" and "Baali" (cf Hosea 2:16 KJV with Hosea 2:16 ).

It's okay to listen to song when eating and I think it helps digestion. The song of the Turtle-dove is heard in the land. We are to share our bread.
 
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Greetings, @Edward!

There is a growing segment of our community that attempts to explain all things under the guise of
Religious Naturalism

I'm NOT speaking for others here. But the converse of "all things continue as they were from the beginning," is, "all thing from the beginning are as they're seen today," right? It's okay to explain things but let's not forget the need for faith. The belief in the unseen of this world includes how God created and interacted with us in order to progressively reveal himself. For instance, if it were not for that man, Jesus, none would know the Father, our God. None could know Him. Not one.

Faith is the substance of things... oops, church-speak again. Quick translation: It is okay to be sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. That would include miracles. You, yourself, are one such miracle. I know your testimony and am glad to see you here. The living word of God in YOUR mouth, sir? That is another "whatness," (another manna) as it is when found in mine. Was that a type / anti-type of Jesus, our "Bread from Heaven"?
Is that what they call them, lol? Makes sense. When I read that, I knew it was true. And that, these type of people can actually see the miraculous (from the unseen) manifest into our natural realm and not even realize it is a miracle but rather, seeing it, seek to rationalize it in a natural carnal way. Without even looking to the unseen! Eyes but can not see.

I think unbelief can void out our faith. Jesus said only the measure of faith is required. A bit of faith as small as a mustard seed will move a mountain but not if there is unbelief at the same time.

I find myself speaking to the unseen more and more. One of those, easy to do but hard to learn things. We know it is the real reality. So even if no manifestation happens, I still know that something did happen in the unseen. It absolutely had to. He said the power of life and death are in the tongue, right?! So if it starts raining manna in my house, I'll understand what's happening and start making us some pancakes!
 

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John 17:21 (KJV)
"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

There are many sacred secrets. There are also many natural explanations. Balance is okay and sometimes difficult to maintain. That's where testing goes to work. This is the Food forum so maybe I should reference the 'hidden mana' and close. No, not the 'wat-is-it' that may have rained on your kitchen floor last night but the stuff, the "What-is-it???" that delighted the wandering, hungry Children of Israel, later revealed to symbolize the Christ.

It part of the Lord’s message to the church of Pergamum, and in Rev 2:17 we read, “Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna”

Jesus Himself made the connection between the manna of Moses’ day and His own provision of salvation: “I am the bread of life. Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. . . . This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever” (John 6:48–51, 58).

The manna that sustained the Israelites was a foreshadowing, a type//anti-type, of the sacrifice of Christ; the manna mentioned in Revelation 2:17 is another symbolic reference to Christ.


So if it starts raining manna in my house, I'll understand what's happening and start making us some pancakes!
Are you still a bachelor? I recently suggested to John that we may want a "Bachelor Food" sub-section to the Foodie's Hearthstone forum. We could exchange recipes like this one: Bachelor Food
 

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Faith is the substance of things... oops, church-speak again. Quick translation: It is okay to be sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. That would include miracles. You, yourself, are one such miracle. I know your testimony and am glad to see you here. The living word of God in YOUR mouth, sir? That is another "whatness," (another manna) as it is when found in mine. Was that a type / anti-type of Jesus, our "Bread from Heaven"?
Whoops, I forgot to answer this!. Ummm...it kind seems that it would be both of them.
;)
 

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