Bible Study Moses was perfect---Adam was only good?

[GodsGrace]

Nephilim giants were not normal humans.

They were the product of the sons of God and the daughters of men.


The giants in the promised land were an example of this.


Many believe Goliath was from the Nephilim line.


There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.” Numbers 13:33



JLB

I was considering

Romans 5:12-14
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Verse 12 death (physical and spiritual) spread to all men. (and nature)

Verse 13 Sin was not imputed to those before the law was given because there was no law for them to know to follow.

[Could these be the prisoners spoken of to whom Jesus preached to release them from prison after His death? Since there was no LAW, and yet still experienced physical death and spiritual death....perhaps the gospel had to be preached to them? BEFORE they could be judged??]

Verse 14 But their physical bodies died anyway even if they had not sinned in the manner that Adam did...IOW by DISOBEYING God.

Comments?

 

[JLB]

I must say JLB,,,,I've never studied this and am really not sure anyone can know FOR SURE who the sons of God are.

Sure you can.

If the sons of God we’re human, they would have been destroyed in the flood, and that would have been the end of the Nephilim giants.

The scripture plainly says the there were Nephilim giants afterward, and as you know from the scriptures, the children of Israel drove them from the promised land.

Finally Peter calls them angels.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly. 2 Peter 2:4-5


JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you have any knowledge of how the Italian medical system is fighting the virus? Are they incorporating Hydroxychloroquine in their treatments? The death rate is so devastatingly high there.

Hi Dan,
The death rate is high because Italy has an older population.
People here don't like having more than 1 1/2 kids !
We're not even replacing ourselves --- birth rate below zero.

They're trying everything, incl that Hydro stuff.
Here they say that a vaccine has to be hurried, or maybe even a cure.

Hospitals are OK except up North,,,it's a mess up there...not enough incubators (?) in the ICU.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sure you can.

If the sons of God we’re human, they would have been destroyed in the flood, and that would have been the end of the Nephilim giants.

The scripture plainly says the there were Nephilim giants afterward, and as you know from the scriptures, the children of Israel drove them from the promised land.

Finally Peter calls them angels.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly. 2 Peter 2:4-5


JLB

Yes, I can say that some do believe that these beings were angels.

2 Peter 2:4-5

Chapter 1 is speaking about false prophets, and how we should listen to them.

Chapter 2 also speaks of the angels that were thrown into prison and were being held for judgement. This goes back to Romans 5:12-14.... verse 13.

 

[JLB]

I was considering

Romans 5:12-14
12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
13for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Verse 12 death (physical and spiritual) spread to all men. (and nature)

Verse 13 Sin was not imputed to those before the law was given because there was no law for them to know to follow.

[Could these be the prisoners spoken of to whom Jesus preached to release them from prison after His death? Since there was no LAW, and yet still experienced physical death and spiritual death....perhaps the gospel had to be preached to them? BEFORE they could be judged??]

Verse 14 But their physical bodies died anyway even if they had not sinned in the manner that Adam did...IOW by DISOBEYING God.

Comments?

The spirits he preached to were the sons of God, that were disobedient during the days of Noah.



JLB

 

[daninthelionsden]

Hi Dan,
The death rate is high because Italy has an older population.
People here don't like having more than 1 1/2 kids !
We're not even replacing ourselves --- birth rate below zero.

They're trying everything, incl that Hydro stuff.
Here they say that a vaccine has to be hurried, or maybe even a cure.

Hospitals are OK except up North,,,it's a mess up there...not enough incubators (?) in the ICU.

Please stay well Fran.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Sure you can.

If the sons of God we’re human, they would have been destroyed in the flood, and that would have been the end of the Nephilim giants.

The scripture plainly says the there were Nephilim giants afterward, and as you know from the scriptures, the children of Israel drove them from the promised land.

Finally Peter calls them angels.


For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly. 2 Peter 2:4-5


JLB

Wow

 

[iLOVE]

Why did Moses call Noah perfect, but Adam only good?

What is the scripture that says Moses called Adam good?

 

[GodsGrace]

What is the scripture that says Moses called Adam good?

Hi iLOVE,,,
This was brought up by another member and I just started this thread.

I believe the other member is referring to the fact that Noah is called a perfect person in some versions of the bible -- others use the term "righteous".
Genesis 6:9 NASB
9These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.

Genesis 6:9 AKJV
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.


As to Adam, it is assumed that Moses wrote Genesis and thus Moses wrote (under inspiration) that Adam was good...
Genesis 1:31
31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

This would have included Adam from verse 27.

 

[XRose]

Why would Moses say Adam was GOOD
and Noah was PERFECT ?

Go back to Genesis 3:
GOD cursed Satan who was invisble behind the serpent:
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
This tells us that angels wanted to try sex and materialised bodies. Here is one:

Those angels had become sinners and joined Satan in sinning as their home was heaven.
Their human bodies mated with the human women and made them pregnany but the babies grew massive to be the Nephilim giants.
Evidently so many angels did this that 1650 years after Creation all the humans except Noah, his wife and their three sons still had perfect bloodlines back to Eve.
These days we know about DNA so we can know that by the time of the flood only Noah's family still had unpolluted DNA.
Some tiny bits of fallen agenl DNA still crops up to give the very rare giants we see these days.
Moses also had perfect DNA but the goodness mentioned was meaning perfect in belief and law abiding.

 

[XRose]

I must say JLB,,,,I've never studied this and am really not sure anyone can know FOR SURE who the sons of God are.
I DO believe that there lived giants on the earth.

If God flooded everything and then the SONS were still mating with normal women...then what was the use of the flood?

I'm afraid this goes way over my head.
Perhaps by reading along I can learn something....

read my reply about Noah and family having unpolluted DNA while all others had interbred with the fallen angels and their Nephilim children.

 

[GodsGrace]

Go back to Genesis 3:
GOD cursed Satan who was invisble behind the serpent:
3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
This tells us that angels wanted to try sex and materialised bodies. Here is one:

Those angels had become sinners and joined Satan in sinning as their home was heaven.
Their human bodies mated with the human women and made them pregnany but the babies grew massive to be the Nephilim giants.
Evidently so many angels did this that 1650 years after Creation all the humans except Noah, his wife and their three sons still had perfect bloodlines back to Eve.
These days we know about DNA so we can know that by the time of the flood only Noah's family still had unpolluted DNA.
Some tiny bits of fallen agenl DNA still crops up to give the very rare giants we see these days.
Moses also had perfect DNA but the goodness mentioned was meaning perfect in belief and law abiding.

Hi xrose....
I had never heard of this.
I didn't think angels were sexual beings.
But who could know for sure?

I really don't have any opinion on this and can't contribute much to the discussion.

Thanks for the post.
And welcome to the forum!

 

[XRose]

Hi xrose....
I had never heard of this.
I didn't think angels were sexual beings.

I've been cursed and banned from many forums for explaining about the fallen angels but once we think about DNA it just falls into place?
That picture of the angel and the woman is stillbeing acted out now with the angels that pester sleeping people? Lots of reports of women being pestered by incubuses and men by succubuses which are all just evil fallen angels making bodies that feel solid and real but which they can instantly dematerialise as soon as the sleeper senses something and begins to wake?
Jesus materialised a body to enter and exit the upper room to convince Doubting Thomas?

 

[JLB]

You have a mental block that prevents you accepting the reality of the Fallen angels!
Their materialised bodies had a problem in the DNA in their sperm.
You might overcome your mental block by wondering how Abraham and other women of great age managed t get pregnant - and how Mary had the spark of Jesus placed into her egg?
Here is an angel seducing a human woman.

I never mentioned fallen angels.

The sons of God mentioned in Genesis 6 were angels.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Noah, wife and three sons had perfect DNA as the line of Jesus came from Eve and had to be kept pure and preserved until Mary was chosen to conceive him.

 

[XRose]

I never mentioned fallen angels.
JLB

Yes. They decided to listen to Satan and join in him coming to Earth. These are the angels bound in an 'abyss'.
Jude 1:6 KJV
King James Version
'And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. '

 

[GodsGrace]

I've been cursed and banned from many forums for explaining about the fallen angels but once we think about DNA it just falls into place?
That picture of the angel and the woman is stillbeing acted out now with the angels that pester sleeping people? Lots of reports of women being pestered by incubuses and men by succubuses which are all just evil fallen angels making bodies that feel solid and real but which they can instantly dematerialise as soon as the sleeper senses something and begins to wake?
Jesus materialised a body to enter and exit the upper room to convince Doubting Thomas?

You won't get banned here if you can back up your belief with scripture that makes sense. As you can see, you're not the only one that believes this.

What you're speaking of above is something I can't agree with.
I DO believe that the evil one has many helpers to accomplish his goal...and I do believe that there is some kind of spirit world that I don't understand about since the bible tells us we go immediately to be where we belong (after death). But, some of us have had experiences that are not explainable.

You go beyond what I can accept.
Re Jesus...sure, but He was God....God is not an angel.

 

[GodsGrace]

To really understand the thread of the Bible it's essential to keep an open mind and use a Study Bible with all the cross links and footnotes to clarify who was speaking about what and why. Most preachers spend many years in theology college learning protocol and procedure but most know little real Bible truth - and they don't like being questioned or corrected! Mods on forums are the worst sort of this as if I try to correct them they ban me!
About 25 miles from me is the certified grave and statue of a guy who was 93 inches tall and had amazing strength. He must have had Nephilm DNA as did that US guy who grew very tall. Both died young. Lots of modern giants on youtube but are they just photoshopped?
Noah, wife and three sons had perfect DNA as the line of Jesus came from Eve and had to be kept pure and preserved until Mary was chosen to conceive him.
So then you ask, how was DNA around after the flood? The answer is Noah's sons quickly chose wives just before the flood. Ham's choice must have had Nephilim DNA as her children became the black race which science tells us are not very intelligent or law abiding. Left to their own devices until say 200 years ago most lived in mudhuts and scraped by hunting and gathering while just 1,000 miles north the descendants of Noah's son Japheth had created the modern indsutrial world with amazing discoveries, art and architecture? This is fact even if not very pc these days.
Now you might say: If GOD is wise why didn't He know Ham's wife had Nephilim DNA and have Ham choose a better one to prevent the new brood of evil people?
This is where we have to accept we don't totally know how GOD works.
I think Genesis 8:21 is the clue:
21: And the Lord smelled a sweet savor; and the Lord said in His heart, “I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake, for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. '
GOD seems to have been resigned to the fact that many people will naturally choose to do evil things and as 'money is the root of all evil' anyone with it can indulge whatever fancy they have and many other people will offer temptations to make them part with money and those without money will try anything to get it right up to mass murder. So while ever we have money systems there will be evil people.
If you research the origins of Jerusalem you will see it as built by the sons of Ham which is why it has Nephilim blocks as foundation for the wailing wall. And Acts 7 tells us that the Jews are far from the Chosen Race because they worship Baal- the sun and Zepheniah 1 tells us they are all going to be hunted down and destroyed when Jesus returns.

I read the above.
But have no comment.
It's all very interesting, but too new for me.

I know the theory about the angels mating with humans
and I know that the Nephilim might be a race of people.
I've just never given this much thought.

Thanks for the info!

 

[XRose]

Christians have no need to fear Satan, fallen angels or demons as James 2:19 tells us that they shudder at Jesus's name.
Logically this means all these will flee as mention of Jesus lets them know we know what they really are - and that when Jesus returns they will be either destroyed or chained.

 

[JLB]

Yes. They decided to listen to Satan and join in him coming to Earth. These are the angels bound in an 'abyss'.
Jude 1:6 KJV
King James Version
'And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. '

I don’t know about so much about these angels “listening to Satan”, because that isn’t mentioned in scripture.


What is mentioned is this:


Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:1-2

• that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful;

This reveals that they saw and desired these beautiful women, to ”take wives” of all they chose.


This tells me that they “lusted” after these beautiful women, with the lust of the eyes.


Is it conceivable that Satan enticed them the way he enticed and deceived Eve? Yes, it is.

However the scripture doesn’t indicate this.

Here is what the scripture does indicate.


Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Job 1:6-7


again


Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. And the Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Job 2:1-2


Two different times the sons of God, after the flood, came before the Lord to present themselves, and both times Satan was among them.


So, it’s reasonable to think your assessment is true, that Satan deceived and enticed them to notice the beautiful women the way he enticed Eve that the fruit was desirable.


Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:4-6





JLB