My understanding of the End Times

[for_his_glory]

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Shekinahglory you said: the people of the prince are apostate Israel. Anti-Christ is going to be born in Israel. These are the apostate portion who believes he is the Messiah has come.

First, could you give the source for this as I've been hearing others say the same thing.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

The people of the prince who is to come (notice it says the prince who is to come) is that of the false prophet/son of perdition/last antichrist who will come in the end of days and take his seat in Jerusalem on the very Temple mount of God, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. This is the same as the Roman Empire and it's army under the prince/ruler Titus that came to destroy Jerusalem and the Temple in 70AD.

The people being Gentiles are the ancestors of the people in the last days who are the followers of the false prophet/son of perdition who is to come as they will once again and for the last time destroy the city of Jerusalem as they will persecute, even to death, those who are Christ own. The only difference is that these people are the leaders from every nation that follow after the beast as this will not only happen in the Holy city of Jerusalem, but will be global in causing everyone to take the mark of this beast, Rev 13.

 

[JLB]

1948 my husbands birth. The Aliyah, the Return has not taken place yet. There are still more Jewish people in NYC then there is in Israel. The things that will bring them back will not only the be Messiah has come but the promise of peace. When those things align you won't be able to get a flight. Interestingly enough a few years ago there was a movement to draw Jewish people back to the Land. At the same time the Ultra-Orthodox moved in the Knesset to declare any Jew who is a Christian lost their Jewishness and could not return. The Law was read twice in the Knesset and was one reading short of becoming Law.

The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, “Thus speaks the Lord God of Israel, saying: ‘Write in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to you. For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ”
Now these are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah.
“For thus says the Lord:
‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
Of fear, and not of peace.
Ask now, and see,
Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
Like a woman in labor,
And all faces turned pale?
Alas! For that day is great,
So that none is like it;
And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
But he shall be saved out of it.
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
Jeremiah 30:1-8


There is nothing in this prophecy that says every single solitary Jew must return.

If fact, if this was not a reference to 1948, then that would mean the Jews would have to be removed from the land of Israel again, and scattered abroad throughout the nations, and have gone into captivity, so that He can gather them again from among the nations; from captivity to possess “again” the land that the Lord God have to the fathers, to possess.

Do you believe that is going to happen?


JLB .

 

[Shekinahglory]

There is nothing in this prophecy that says every single solitary Jew must return.

If fact, if this was not a reference to 1948, then that would mean the Jews would have to be removed from the land of Israel again, and scattered abroad throughout the nations, and have gone into captivity, so that He can gather them again from among the nations; from captivity to possess “again” the land that the Lord God have to the fathers, to possess.

Christians and Jews have been making it possible for Jewish people to return to Israel from all over the world. They are trying their best to get everyone to return. It is a dangerous country with enemies all around. When anti-Christ does come and he provides the peace that is no peace and proclaims himself to be God the return will begin in earnest. Does it mean every last Jew will return ? not stated in Scripture but for the Messiah to be there and every Jewish person not wanting to be in the land seems hard to believe.

Do you believe that is going to happen?
Israel will never leave the Land again. The dross of apostate Israel will be burned off and a faithful remnant will be saved but they will remain in the land as a royal priesthood.

The people of the prince who is to come (notice it says the prince who is to come) is that of the false prophet/son of perdition/last antichrist who will come in the end of days and take his seat in Jerusalem on the very Temple mount of God, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. This is the same as the Roman Empire and it's army under the prince/ruler Titus that came to destroy Jerusalem and the Temple in 70AD.

Shekinahglory replies:
The difference with Titus and the still future judgment is that Titus was not Allos. In John 5:43 the Lord is speaking about hom He came in the Father's name and Israel rejected Him. Then He says but if another, Allos, meaning another is a powerful teaching. There are two words that can be used here for "another. One is Allos and the other is Heteros. Heteros means one of a different kind and the Lord does not use that word describing the coming anti-Christ who apostate Israel will accept. The Lord uses the word Allos which means one of the same kind. We then need to figure out how Christ and Anti-Christ are the same kind. Surely anti-Christ is not the same kind of God. Not a poor, wandering preacher. But he is said to be born in the Land.

15 Then the Lord said to me, “Take again the equipment of a foolish shepherd. 16 For I am going to raise up a shepherd in the land who will not care for the lost, or seek the young, or heal the injured, or feed the healthy, but will eat the meat of the choice sheep, tearing off their hooves. 17 “Woe to the worthless shepherd who deserts the flock! May the sword strike his arm and his right eye! May his arm be completely withered, his right eye totally blinded!” If we were part of the elect what would we be looking for in Messiah? Born outside the Land? A Gentile Messiah from the E.U.? Hardly and the apostate Jews of that time will be looking for a Jewish Messiah as well.

the leaders of Israel are going to enter into a covenant with Death, anti-Christ, Is. 28,. Death is anti-christ just as Christ is the Life.

When you look at the statue of Nebby and it goes from gold down to iron and clay it represents the old Roman Empire the iron but the clay are not mixed with the iron. This is because they are not the same entities. The iron like everyone agrees is the old Roman Empire. But is being replaced by that represented by the clay. Now who is the clay? Da. 2: 43, Is. 64:8 and; 5 Then the word of the Lord came to me saying, 6 “Can I not, O house of Israel, deal with you as this potter does?” declares the Lord. “Behold, like the clay in the potter’s hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. Jer. 18

 

[ezrider]

Jeremiah 30:7

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


for_his_glory, JLB

Can you please tell us who is the "HE" that was to be saved out of it?

 

[ezrider]

JLB

I did not find an answer to the question I asked of you earlier. Can you explain why it was that the Lord himself scattered Israel and Judah to the four corners and caused the remembrance of them to cease from among men?

Deuteronomy 32:26
I said, I would scatter them into corners,
I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


And what causes them to now to be remembered among men?

 

[ezrider]

Here we have this portion of the book of Jeremiah as prophecy given for a future state of Judah and Israel. Rachel would weep for her children in the distress they have always been in,

So Herod slaughtering all the children meant nothing?

I did not realize that Jeremiah prophesied after the time of Christ. Are we still waiting for a virgin to conceive also?

 

[Shekinahglory]

Jeremiah 30:7

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


for_his_glory, JLB

Can you please tell us who is the "HE" that was to be saved out of it?

He is Jacob a name for Israel Israel who is Jacob or Jacob who is Israel is his title. Jacob’s name means schemer since he pulled that fast one in the womb grabbing his brothers foot. He became Israel by wrestling with the Lord all night until he lost his strength and could only cling to the Lord. The rest of his life he was always known as Jacob who is Israel or with those two names reversed.Very encouraging story for believers and growing spiritually.did this help explain who Jacob is?

 

[Shekinahglory]

So Herod slaughtering all the children meant nothing?

I did not realize that Jeremiah prophesied after the time of Christ. Are we still waiting for a virgin to conceive also?

I am should be great television.

Herod was the latest attempt by Satan to kill the Lord. Pharaoh was the first but the Seed who is Christ was never going to struck down.if Satan could have done so it would have changed times and seasons and nullified the Passover sacrifice by the Lord.

 

[Shekinahglory]

JLB

I did not find an answer to the question I asked of you earlier. Can you explain why it was that the Lord himself scattered Israel and Judah to the four corners and caused the remembrance of them to cease from among men?

Deuteronomy 32:26
I said, I would scatter them into corners,
I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:


And what causes them to now to be remembered among men?

Their name being wiped out will be after the falling away epitomized by their final act of harlotry taking anti-christ as God/Messiah.

 

[ezrider]

Herod was the latest attempt by Satan to kill the Lord. Pharaoh was the first but the Seed who is Christ was never going to struck down.if Satan could have done so it would have changed times and seasons and nullified the Passover sacrifice by the Lord.

I would ask kindly that you be a little more careful when trying to use the "quote" feature. You have added in your own comment about waiting for a virgin to conceive and great television within the quotation of my comment. There are too many people here who don't keep things in context and jump to conclusions that aren't there. I really don't need them ascribing things to me that I have not said.

Thank you for understanding.

 

[stovebolts]

I would ask kindly that you be a little more careful when trying to use the "quote" feature. You have added in your own comment about waiting for a virgin to conceive and great television within the quotation of my comment. There are too many people here who don't keep things in context and jump to conclusions that aren't there. I really don't need them ascribing things to me that I have not said.

Thank you for understanding.

I'll fix that for her later tonight. She is new and just learning how to quote others.
Thanks!

 

[ezrider]

Their name being wiped out will be after the falling away epitomized by their final act of harlotry taking anti-christ as God/Messiah.

And after the thousand years when Satan is released from the pit, what would he use to deceive the nations once again?

 

[ezrider]

I'll fix that for her later tonight. She is new and just learning how to quote others.
Thanks!

Yes, I understood that. Thank you

 

[Shekinahglory]

Yes, I understood that. Thank you

Stove bolts, thank you for fixing another goof on my part.

Ezrider, very sorry. Thanks for pointing it out and doing so graciously.

 

[stovebolts]

Stove bolts, thank you for fixing another goof on my part.

Ezrider, very sorry. Thanks for pointing it out and doing so graciously.

No problem. You'll be a pro at this in no time!

 

[Shekinahglory]

And after the thousand years when Satan is released from the pit, what would he use to deceive the nations once again?

Satan we are told will understand and be able to explain dark secrets. Thinks men have wanted the answers to. He will probably ask why the Lord lives with and does for the Israeli remnant. While the Gentile nations are ruled over by an iron scepter. Satan can only work a few different schemes. His best being God does not care for you and He is keeping the good stuff to Israel. The unbelievers will hate God and His people Israel.They will see a Jerusalem with no protective walls, the Millennial Temple and the city where they live, Jerusalem. They will attack the uncalled city but Christ will go out and fight for the remnant and will defeat everyone including Satan.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jeremiah 30:7

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


for_his_glory, JLB

Can you please tell us who is the "HE" that was to be saved out of it?

Seeing this is prophecy of the end of days and also literal of Jeremiahs time the "he" is Judah and Israel that God will bring back to their land in the end of Days, Rev 7:1-8, The "he" also is all who are Christ own that have endured all trials and tribulations unto the end as they will be saved, Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Just as those in the days of Jeremiah who have died and are in their graves that are God's own have endured until the end of their life and when Christ returns they will be raised up to Him, John 5:28, 29.

 

[for_his_glory]

So Herod slaughtering all the children meant nothing?

I did not realize that Jeremiah prophesied after the time of Christ. Are we still waiting for a virgin to conceive also?

If I'm not wrong was it not you that mentioned Rachel weeping for her children? Of course she would weep as many of them were slaughtered. Dan and Ephraim was a big disappointment to God as He will remember them no more.

Do you not believe that God gave His prophets to prophecy of the times of Christ and that of the latter days before and after Christ returns?

 

[for_his_glory]

Shekinahglory I can't use the quote/reply button to what you added to in post #63. I know you are having a problem learning how to use quote/reply. It would be easier if you just take one persons post at a time and just highlight it and click reply. You will get there and everyone needs to be patient. Now for my reply

Titus was not another antichrist but was used of Satan as another ruler over Jerusalem just like all the other previous ones that were an enemy against God and Christ. Do you think God would use His own to destroy His Holy City Jerusalem! Titus was one of a different kind that destroyed Jerusalem including the Temple and killed over one million Jews in 70AD.

Many Jews in Jerusalem that are still waiting for Messiah to come that have rejected Jesus and crucified Him will accept this false Christ being the son of perdition who claims he is Messiah come. He will deceive many Jews and also Gentiles by lying signs and wonders because they have not the truth found in them, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. No where in scripture that I know of says the last antichrist will be born in Jerusalem.

Daniel 2:36-45 Daniel interprets the dream Nebuchadnezzar had, which is found in Daniel 7 about the four Empires starting with the Babylonian Empire and ending with the Roman Empire. I have given all of this before as in the seven remaining nations that still exist today.

 

[JLB]

Jeremiah 30:7

Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it:
it is even the time of Jacob's trouble;
but he shall be saved out of it.


for_his_glory, JLB

Can you please tell us who is the "HE" that was to be saved out of it?

He is the remnant of Israel.

IOW, not all Israel is Israel.



JLB