Need help with this scripture

[faithtransforms]

i was a fervent jw in my youth before the age of 14.

Oh wow, praise God he called you out of that! Were your parent's jw then?

 

[jasoncran]

i was a fervent jw in my youth before the age of 14.

Oh wow, praise God he called you out of that! Were your parent's jw then?

all of us, my sister is still one, me and my bro and my dad are born again.

i aslo have a sister who is mentally retarded. in all i have two sister on brother and i am the oldest. hmm i need to torture john again, i miss the entertainment ..

 

[faithtransforms]

hmm i need to torture john again, i miss the entertainment ..

LOL

 

[faithtransforms]

So you were a jw, then what? Did you go to another religion or just lay off religion for a while? I know you said you were saved in 96 or 98. Were you saved in a charismatic church? We'll need to pm about this sometime, seems like you've had quite an adventure with faith!

 

[jasoncran]

So you were a jw, then what? Did you go to another religion or just lay off religion for a while? I know you said you were saved in 96 or 98. Were you saved in a charismatic church? We'll need to pm about this sometime, seems like you've had quite an adventure with faith!

my parents stop going when i was at the age of 14, i did go back to that cult for a while. but not like i used to.

i was saved when i lived in new llano,la and on my knees in my apartment.begging the lord to take my life and heal it of the mess that it was in and that i knew jesus died for me on the cross and i was a sinner. i was 23 at that time.

 

[Mysteryman]

The bible clearly teaches that Jesus' kingdom is an eternal kingdom, and that He will rule and reign forever. But these verses seem to contradict that:

1 COR 15:22-28

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This seems to suggest that the Kingdom will be delivered back to the Father to rule and reign.

Help!

There are two kingdoms within the Word. 1. The Kingdom of God 2. The kingdom of heaven

The kingdom that Jesus will hand over to his Father is the Kingdom of God. This is where God will reign forever, as God will make the third earth his kingdom forever. Right now, God sits on the throne in heaven, and Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of the Father.

Luke 1:33 - "And he (Jesus Christ) shall reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) for ever ; and of his kingdom there shall be no end"

Just like there was a king over Judah, and a king over Israel. There is a king over Heaven, and there will be a king over earth, the third earth. Jesus Christ is going to hand over the kingdom of this earth to his Father, and God will be all in all in the new earth, also called the third earth.

 

[faithtransforms]

Hmmm. The third earth. Do you mean the perfect world Adam messed up as the first earth, and the earth now as the second earth, or are you into the Gap Theory?

 

[Mysteryman]

Hmmm. The third earth. Do you mean the perfect world Adam messed up as the first earth, and the earth now as the second earth, or are you into the Gap Theory?

I do not like theories, but people tend to put me in them because they feel that they understand where someone is coming from, by claiming that another is a part of a certain theory. I abhor the fact that people catagorize other people, by comparing them to something or someone else. Such as calvanism. Or gap theories. Or Lutherism.

God is going to destroy this earth, and there will be a new earth, also called the third earth. God is going to set up his throne there - Rev. chapter 21. But before this all happens, Jesus Christ needs to conguer the rulership of this earth.

 

[faithtransforms]

Hmmm. The third earth. Do you mean the perfect world Adam messed up as the first earth, and the earth now as the second earth, or are you into the Gap Theory?

I do not like theories, but people tend to put me in them because they feel that they understand where someone is coming from, by claiming that another is a part of a certain theory. I abhor the fact that people catagorize other people, by comparing them to something or someone else. Such as calvanism. Or gap theories. Or Lutherism.

God is going to destroy this earth, and there will be a new earth, also called the third earth. God is going to set up his throne there - Rev. chapter 21. But before this all happens, Jesus Christ needs to conguer the rulership of this earth.

Sheesh, Mysterman, I wasn't trying to PUT you in that theory. I just wondered if it was something had considered or subscribed to. Curiousty, that's all!!!

I've heard it said that there is some evidence in the bible about a pre-adamic earth. Never looked into it much. Just curious if you had,

 

[faithtransforms]

Mysterman, I think you need to go and get yourself a good massage. You're a little uptight

 

[Mysteryman]

Hmmm. The third earth. Do you mean the perfect world Adam messed up as the first earth, and the earth now as the second earth, or are you into the Gap Theory?

I do not like theories, but people tend to put me in them because they feel that they understand where someone is coming from, by claiming that another is a part of a certain theory. I abhor the fact that people catagorize other people, by comparing them to something or someone else. Such as calvanism. Or gap theories. Or Lutherism.

God is going to destroy this earth, and there will be a new earth, also called the third earth. God is going to set up his throne there - Rev. chapter 21. But before this all happens, Jesus Christ needs to conguer the rulership of this earth.

Sheesh, Mysterman, I wasn't trying to PUT you in that theory. I just wondered if it was something had considered or subscribed to. Curiousty, that's all!!!

I've heard it said that there is some evidence in the bible about a pre-adamic earth. Never looked into it much. Just curious if you had,

Well, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers either. I just wanted to explain that if a person is going to ask a question, that the question should not be attached to another persons theory .

And yes, this earth was created by God way before God put Adam on this earth. Many ,many years had passed before Adam was put upon this earth. Some people call it a gap theory, I kow. I just can stand when people call something by a theory. A theory is a wild guess by someone. And there is no room for theories when it comes to the Word of God. Either something happened in such a way or it didn't.

The first earth, was before Genesis 1:2. The Word of God never talks about the second earth, but it does talk about the new earth being the third earth. That is because the second earth is the first earth renewed. This is why God states in Genesis 1:28 for man to "replenish" the earth and subdue it.

This earth is going to be destroyed by God. And God is going to make all things new.. hence a "new earth", where righteousness will dwell forever.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The bible clearly teaches that Jesus' kingdom is an eternal kingdom, and that He will rule and reign forever. But these verses seem to contradict that:

1 COR 15:22-28

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

This seems to suggest that the Kingdom will be delivered back to the Father to rule and reign.

Help!

Yahshua came to reconcile mankind to Yahwah in the New Covenant.

John 5:41
"I do not accept praise from men,

John 5:44
How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God ?

 

[glorydaz]

I think the jw's actually think Jesus was an incarnation of the archangel Michael. I think its the mormons that say he was "a god." But I could be wrong.

The Mormons may believe that, too. I don't know...but I do know that when I was first saved some JW's came around, and being excited to talk to anyone about the Lord, I was listening to what they had to say. They made a comment about Jesus being "a god", and showed me in their Bible where it said that (John 1). Alarm bells went off in my head, and I went in the house to read it from my own Bible...it wasn't there, of course. That's when I cut off all communication with them. I saw they didn't even read the same Bible I did.

 

[glorydaz]

Well, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers either. I just wanted to explain that if a person is going to ask a question, that the question should not be attached to another persons theory .

And yes, this earth was created by God way before God put Adam on this earth. Many ,many years had passed before Adam was put upon this earth. Some people call it a gap theory, I kow. I just can stand when people call something by a theory. A theory is a wild guess by someone. And there is no room for theories when it comes to the Word of God. Either something happened in such a way or it didn't.

The first earth, was before Genesis 1:2. The Word of God never talks about the second earth, but it does talk about the new earth being the third earth. That is because the second earth is the first earth renewed. This is why God states in Genesis 1:28 for man to "replenish" the earth and subdue it.

This earth is going to be destroyed by God. And God is going to make all things new.. hence a "new earth", where righteousness will dwell forever.

The Word of God doesn't talk about it because it isn't Truth...it's just a bunch of wild conjectures of men that they derive from words like "replenish".


Replenish....Noah Webster -1. To fill: to stock with numbers or abundance. 2. To finish or complete.

 

[jasoncran]

mormonism preaches the satan and jesus were brothers and that if one is good enough one can be become a god and then you get a planet the you may use for your own , to create and recieve worship,just like Jesus evolved into a diety so can you.

 

[faithtransforms]

mormonism preaches the satan and jesus were brothers and that if one is good enough one can be become a god and then you get a planet the you may use for your own , to create and recieve worship,just like Jesus evolved into a diety so can you.

I know, I just read up on it this morning and thought, wow these people are nuts!!! (No offense if there are any mormons on the board).

 

[jasoncran]

when i was lost i used to believe in auras,chakras, ki and all that crap.

 

[faithtransforms]

Well, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers either. I just wanted to explain that if a person is going to ask a question, that the question should not be attached to another persons theory .

And yes, this earth was created by God way before God put Adam on this earth. Many ,many years had passed before Adam was put upon this earth. Some people call it a gap theory, I kow. I just can stand when people call something by a theory. A theory is a wild guess by someone. And there is no room for theories when it comes to the Word of God. Either something happened in such a way or it didn't.

The first earth, was before Genesis 1:2. The Word of God never talks about the second earth, but it does talk about the new earth being the third earth. That is because the second earth is the first earth renewed. This is why God states in Genesis 1:28 for man to "replenish" the earth and subdue it.

This earth is going to be destroyed by God. And God is going to make all things new.. hence a "new earth", where righteousness will dwell forever.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I just wanted to explain that if a person is going to ask a question, that the question should not be attached to another persons theory." Honestly it just seems a little weird to me. If a scientist asked another scientist "What do you think, string theory or supersymmetry?" I doubt the other scientist would be offended by it. But anyway, I didn't mean to do anything wrong by it.

Since you do believe essentially what some call the gap theory, would you mind giving me some scriptures? I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious about it.

 

[faithtransforms]

when i was lost i used to believe in auras,chakras, ki and all that crap.

I still believe in auras, chakra, ki, etc. I just stay away from because a christian shouldn't be messing with that stuff. But I have too much experience with it to believe its not true, being a new ager for about 14 years or so. I was also a student of astrology for many years and I know it's real too. Not that bubble gum crap you get in the newspaper, I mean charts showing the position of all the planets and the moon relative to the earth, what zodiac sign they fall in and also there positions, ie venus 120 degrees away from saturn, etc. I never used it to predict anything, but for personality analysis it was spot on. And I mean I did this for years, I've seen hundreds of charts.

Btw, the zodiac is an invisible band in the sky around the earth (not for real, but a delineation), it is not linked to the location of constellations.

I know an astrologer who predicted the outcome of the Bush/Gore race in 2000. He actually predicted there would be ambiguity as to who won and that there may be a period of a few weeks before a decision was made. This prediction was made that August before the election. Now THAT'S a master astrologer. But again I don't mess with it because it's occult and the bible tells me not to.

 

[mamre]

mormonism preaches the satan and jesus were brothers and that if one is good enough one can be become a god and then you get a planet the you may use for your own , to create and recieve worship,just like Jesus evolved into a diety so can you.

I know, I just read up on it this morning and thought, wow these people are nuts!!! (No offense if there are any mormons on the board).

faithtransforms,

Yet, a perfectly loving Father would like His children to become just like He is in all aspects.
John says about Christ, that "...as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1: 12. If we consider that all of us are children of God, it is intriguing to think that Christ needed to give power to become sons of God to those that believe in Him.

I believe that if one is good enough he can become a true son of God, because Christ gives him power to become a son of God. I understand that a son of God in the sense that Johns says is as Jesus Christ said:
"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt. 5:48.
Think about it, what does it mean to be perfect like God the Father? Wouldn't that mean to be exactly like God? Therefore, whoever is like God, or is perfect like God is a god (or a son of God in the eternal sense).

Paul also talks about perfecting the saints this way: "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:" Eph. 4: 13
Think about it, what is a perfect man? Paul says that it is the "stature of the fullness of Christ." The logical conclusion is that since Christ is God, someone that reaches His "stature" becomes a god (a perfect man, in the words of Paul). If we are supposed to be perfect like God and Christ, it seems logical to think that way, else how can we fulfill the commandment of Christ to be perfect like God and not be a god.
I came across this intriguing Psalm: "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." Ps. 82: 6

Have a great day,

mamre