New community TOS

[JLB]

Your TOS will fail the brethren.
You might quote the Scripture but in other places, the big print giveth and the small print taketh away. There is NO SUBSTITUTE for the Word of God.
Your TOS puts the Lord's people BACK under the law of TOS.
The true Christian cannot operate or behave when all these laws are dictating their behavior instead of the Word of God.
Case in point. You quote:

Luke 6:31
“And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.”

This is a fail because how can a brethren respond in kind to a moderator lording it over the brethren with warnings, infractions, and even excommunication? It's ONE-SIDED. Luke 6:31 CANNOT be obeyed.

Here's what's going to happen.

You either remove these worldly rules upon the brethren which are directly from the god of this world and you end up with a worldly sort, or let the people police themselves, remove the moderators and make them EQUAL in standing to the people of God, and bring the Word of God in so that God may have rule over His people.

I'm going to tell you, Stove, unless you allow Christians to be Christian and allow them to log in with their call intact, allowing them to exercise their spiritual gift(s) and their pound, and let them be themselves - good or evil - just as you would walk into a Church Fellowship (which there are none of these TOS when Christians gather with Christ in their midst), then you exclude God and in TIME you will learn whether this is a church-plant of God or not otherwise, this site will go the way of ALL the other sites that condition the brethren in the rules of the world and the god of this world INSTEAD of the Word of God.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

That should be the ONLY TOS for the Biblical Christian IF this is a Biblical site. Otherwise, it is only "Christianly."

And Christianly sites that place the people of God in bondage will fail.

Or you will.

IT IS UNBIBLICAL that a person violates the Word of God and has the sole authority to excommunicate brethren from fellowship for violating the bondage-laws you place on the brethren. What's the matter? You don't trust the very brethren you serve to invoke Matthew 18:15 et.all when they have an issue with brethren? You won't allow them to work out their own salvation among brethren?

You have such a grand opportunity here to do something that's NEVER been done (except when I did it in 2012 with a fellowship of 15) but tell me....and I been to a great many so-called "Christian sites" that have the same rules and laws that ONLY the brethren must follow but NEVER the moderators. The Elite Moderators. The Untouchables. They exercise such POWER OVER the brethren and GOD IS NOT PLEASED. These Moderators need to be SAT DOWN!

But let me take two of them in the back so I can teach them about RESPECTING THEIR ELDERS!

You are at a crossroads. The Word of God or the god of this world.

It’s very biblical to correct brothers who are promoting unbiblical ideas, attitudes and doctrine.


I guess when you have your own forum, you can set the guidelines.


Until then please learn to submit to the authority of this Forum.


If you have some teaching you would like to share, please open a thread and share.


If you just want to promote strife, then please do it elsewhere.



JLB

 

[stovebolts]

Your TOS will fail the brethren.
You might quote the Scripture but in other places, the big print giveth and the small print taketh away. There is NO SUBSTITUTE for the Word of God.
Your TOS puts the Lord's people BACK under the law of TOS.
The true Christian cannot operate or behave when all these laws are dictating their behavior instead of the Word of God.
Case in point. You quote:

Luke 6:31
“And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.”

This is a fail because how can a brethren respond in kind to a moderator lording it over the brethren with warnings, infractions, and even excommunication? It's ONE-SIDED. Luke 6:31 CANNOT be obeyed.

Here's what's going to happen.

You either remove these worldly rules upon the brethren which are directly from the god of this world and you end up with a worldly sort, or let the people police themselves, remove the moderators and make them EQUAL in standing to the people of God, and bring the Word of God in so that God may have rule over His people.

I'm going to tell you, Stove, unless you allow Christians to be Christian and allow them to log in with their call intact, allowing them to exercise their spiritual gift(s) and their pound, and let them be themselves - good or evil - just as you would walk into a Church Fellowship (which there are none of these TOS when Christians gather with Christ in their midst), then you exclude God and in TIME you will learn whether this is a church-plant of God or not otherwise, this site will go the way of ALL the other sites that condition the brethren in the rules of the world and the god of this world INSTEAD of the Word of God.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

That should be the ONLY TOS for the Biblical Christian IF this is a Biblical site. Otherwise, it is only "Christianly."

And Christianly sites that place the people of God in bondage will fail.

Or you will.

IT IS UNBIBLICAL that a person violates the Word of God and has the sole authority to excommunicate brethren from fellowship for violating the bondage-laws you place on the brethren. What's the matter? You don't trust the very brethren you serve to invoke Matthew 18:15 et.all when they have an issue with brethren? You won't allow them to work out their own salvation among brethren?

You have such a grand opportunity here to do something that's NEVER been done (except when I did it in 2012 with a fellowship of 15) but tell me....and I been to a great many so-called "Christian sites" that have the same rules and laws that ONLY the brethren must follow but NEVER the moderators. The Elite Moderators. The Untouchables. They exercise such POWER OVER the brethren and GOD IS NOT PLEASED. These Moderators need to be SAT DOWN!

But let me take two of them in the back so I can teach them about RESPECTING THEIR ELDERS!

You are at a crossroads. The Word of God or the god of this world.

Well, we are learning and we are going through growing pains. But I know the Lord is with us.
One thing I am clear on is this. This forum will not be a home for division, disrespect or primarily for debate. We speak to one another truth in love and we learn to respect where others are at. Some will like this and others won't. For those that won't, we will not play police and issue meaningless points. They will be banned and if necessary, they will be put into the spam database which will flag them for subsequent accounts regardless of the site.

 

[ezra]

Yup, and we don't want a tos that's 3 pages long... As far as closing threads, that doesn't work and the mods end up being the police. Our Mods will not take on the thankless role of police man, and the "point", it doesn't really work either.

nope not when you reopen them

 

[stovebolts]

nope not when you reopen them

Shouldn't have to lock any threads. I have instructed the mods that if a thread gets so bad that they need to be locked, I will sift through the thread and issue temporary or permenant vacations as needed. I'm done fighting loosing battles. Want to battle on my forum... YOU LOOSE.
It's really that simple. I don't want to play that way. But I'm done playing police. This site will be a house that gives God glory.

 

[ezra]

Shouldn't have to lock any threads. I have instructed the mods that if a thread gets so bad that they need to be locked, I will sift through the thread and issue temporary or permenant vacations as needed. I'm done fighting loosing battles. Want to battle on my forum... YOU LOOSE.
It's really that simple. I don't want to play that way. But I'm done playing police. This site will be a house that gives God glory.

so be it

 

[Tessa]

Hello Jeremiah. I am sorry to read the content of your post.
We have two great commandments. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul. Love your neighbour as yourself. Far from being a coward StoveBolts is very courageous by attempting to make this forum in accordance to theze two commandments
Your post shows neither and I am sad to read that. JohnDB is not an antichrist, he is a dear brother.
Is if wrong to want to show the Glory of God?
If love fills our heart it will overflow into our posts. You can't witness without it
Scripture tells us to reason with each other not fight. Jeremiah show us your love.

 

[jasonc]

in my expercience and also I as have done this, we tend to argue doctrine of our churches over what the bible does say. Im not suggesting we don't have proper doctrine but sometimes things are grey and one sees it different and we can agree to disagree. with politics, the vitriol on both sides isn't exactly edifying. I can in general stay away from that but I have other places for politics if I so choose. at present I have to stay clear of a hot local politics. there are things I know that if I say them, I would be fired and I have received verification from the protest group that what I heard was true. so I can take a break from politics too

 

[stovebolts]

I understand and support the posts that have been deleted.

There is a saying worth repeating and it is this.

Hurting people hurt other people. How sad it is to have a brother hurting so deeply that on Thanksgiving, a day specifically to be with loved ones and express the gratitude of life that he feels such a deep need to hurt others. In my heart of hearts, it truly saddens me.

None of us knows the suffering another is enduring....

A wise man once told me when a ravaging wolf is attacking you, it's not the time to ask about its puppyhood...

Jesus said, Father forgive them because they know not what they do.

There is always room for grace, but we dont tolerate abuse.

Grace and peace.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yup, and we don't want a tos that's 3 pages long... As far as closing threads, that doesn't work and the mods end up being the police. Our Mods will not take on the thankless role of police man, and the "point", it doesn't really work either.

What ARE mods supposed to do?
It seems like the are supposed to be policemen,,,making sure the TOS are not broken.

 

[stovebolts]

What ARE mods supposed to do?
It seems like the are supposed to be policemen,,,making sure the TOS are not broken.

I think of it like this.
First, all staff generously volunteer their time and I dont think it should be a thankless job for them. When I think of a moderators role, they should be respected members who have a good report with other members and know how to stir healthy conversations with a level head. In other words, they help set the tone of the board.

Yes, they need to know and understand the TOS and are subject to its terms as well. If they see a thread or a member going awry, they should engage that member not as a police officer, but rather a brother in Christ, assuming the member is a Christian.
If that fails, they forward it up to JohnDB or myself and we will take the lead and handle it the best we can.

I want this site to be rewarding for the moderators. They should be able to enjoy healthy conversations just like everyone else. When a mod or admin comes into a thread, the membership should not start to walking on eggshells worrying about getting a repremand.

Honestly, you, the members have more control over this board than the mods or even me. We are small enough that if we work together, the board should self moderate and as new members come on, they will know if they fit or not.

One thing is sure, disruptors who come in heavy handed will be dealt with swiftly by an Admin. They will be given a short opportunity to integrate into the community but if they will not bend, we will not subject ourselves or the community to their disruptions and they will be eliminated quickly.

I firmly believe that with the right membership, we should be able to talk about many things that are currently forbidden.

 

[GodsGrace]

I think of it like this.
First, all staff generously volunteer their time and I dont think it should be a thankless job for them. When I think of a moderators role, they should be respected members who have a good report with other members and know how to stir healthy conversations with a level head. In other words, they help set the tone of the board.

Yes, they need to know and understand the TOS and are subject to its terms as well. If they see a thread or a member going awry, they should engage that member not as a police officer, but rather a brother in Christ, assuming the member is a Christian.
If that fails, they forward it up to JohnDB or myself and we will take the lead and handle it the best we can.

I want this site to be rewarding for the moderators. They should be able to enjoy healthy conversations just like everyone else. When a mod or admin comes into a thread, the membership should not start to walking on eggshells worrying about getting a repremand.

Honestly, you, the members have more control over this board than the mods or even me. We are small enough that if we work together, the board should self moderate and as new members come on, they will know if they fit or not.

One thing is sure, disruptors who come in heavy handed will be dealt with swiftly by an Admin. They will be given a short opportunity to integrate into the community but if they will not bend, we will not subject ourselves or the community to their disruptions and they will be eliminated quickly.

I firmly believe that with the right membership, we should be able to talk about many things that are currently forbidden.

Sounds good and I think it's working.
When I see JohnDB or Razeontherock, or any other moderator on a thread, I AM able to proceed as if they were a member (with no fear). And, yes, I DO think this is very important.

I see what you mean about being policemen. They should be able to enjoy the forum too...like you said.

Thanks for a complete reply.

 

[JLB]

Sounds good and I think it's working.
When I see JohnDB or Razeontherock, or any other moderator on a thread, I AM able to proceed as if they were a member (with no fear). And, yes, I DO think this is very important.

I see what you mean about being policemen. They should be able to enjoy the forum too...like you said.

Thanks for a complete reply.

Agreed.


There are some very knowledgeable mods here, most of which I enjoy their input.



JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

Agreed.


There are some very knowledgeable mods here, most of which I enjoy their input.



JLB

It also helps us to get to know them and what they think.
They've also started some good threads, and I've learned a lot from persons like JohnDB who knows the O.T. really well, and also others.
It should be like a family.

 

[stovebolts]

Sounds good and I think it's working.
When I see JohnDB or Razeontherock, or any other moderator on a thread, I AM able to proceed as if they were a member (with no fear). And, yes, I DO think this is very important.

I see what you mean about being policemen. They should be able to enjoy the forum too...like you said.

Thanks for a complete reply.

You were here last January when I came on board. From an Administrative perspective it was chaos. I'll bet on an average day there were 1 to 5 reports from members the mods had to contend with. Some days you couldn't keep up with them all. I remember the feeling I got traversing the board and it wasnt good. The previous owner Greg had suggested this site to his friends and they were very discouraged. His daughter was also a member briefly. Needless to say he wasnt real happy, and that triggered most of the changes your seeing.

 

[stovebolts]

It should be like a family.

That's what I'm striving for. No family is perfect. I come from a big family, so I can attest to this lol. But somehow we stick together. We have sharp disagreements, but were family and one thing we got right, is we always remember we are family first.

 

[GodsGrace]

You were here last January when I came on board. From an Administrative perspective it was chaos. I'll bet on an average day there were 1 to 5 reports from members the mods had to contend with. Some days you couldn't keep up with them all. I remember the feeling I got traversing the board and it wasnt good. The previous owner Greg had suggested this site to his friends and they were very discouraged. His daughter was also a member briefly. Needless to say he wasnt real happy, and that triggered most of the changes your seeing.

A person doesn't really understand anything they haven't tried themselves. For instance, I don't know why persons report others. Unless there's a real reason to make a report, I tend to just ignore those I can't speak to. Sometimes it's a personality conflict and two persons just don't like each other. I find it amazing how we get to know a person's personality and character just from interacting with them on a forum.

What gets me upset is when someone is condescending toward me. Maybe because I'm a girl, or maybe because I don't know as much as they do...but we're here to talk and to learn and to share. I agree with you...family first, respect,,,and then we could also disagree. I don't think there are two churches that agree on everything, but we should at least agree on John 13:35.

 

[GodsGrace]

You were here last January when I came on board. From an Administrative perspective it was chaos. I'll bet on an average day there were 1 to 5 reports from members the mods had to contend with. Some days you couldn't keep up with them all. I remember the feeling I got traversing the board and it wasnt good. The previous owner Greg had suggested this site to his friends and they were very discouraged. His daughter was also a member briefly. Needless to say he wasnt real happy, and that triggered most of the changes your seeing.

My son was here from CN last week so I was gone for the whole time.
What's going on with the TOS?

 

[stovebolts]

My son was here from CN last week so I was gone for the whole time.
What's going on with the TOS?

Where is CN? I hope you had a good time with your son.
Our son was up from TX with our 2 grandchildren for Thanksgiving and just left last night. 4 barking dogs, 2 grandkids and 2 sons all under one roof... crazy! My youngest son took the hood off his parts truck and pulled them on it like a sled with the 4 wheeler yesterday... wife told me it was my Camaro hood! I cant take this anymore lol!

ToS, oh yeah... Razeontherock was heading this up for me. I just have too many plates spinning...

 

[GodsGrace]

Where is CN? I hope you had a good time with your son.
Our son was up from TX with our 2 grandchildren for Thanksgiving and just left last night. 4 barking dogs, 2 grandkids and 2 sons all under one roof... crazy! My youngest son took the hood off his parts truck and pulled them on it like a sled with the 4 wheeler yesterday... wife told me it was my Camaro hood! I cant take this anymore lol!

ToS, oh yeah... Razeontherock was heading this up for me. I just have too many plates spinning...

LOL
I know what you mean!
CN,,,that would be Connecticut. They moved there from Westchester about 5 years ago.
They also usually all come here together...
14 year old twin girls and one boy, 10.
It's getting harder and harder for them to make the trip. He came alone this time.

Camaro: I had a 1987 (? I think) Camaro back then. Burgundy red, brand new. Wow! I loved it. Not too convenient but it sure did hug the road. When you told me what your son did with the hood, I cringed.

 

[stovebolts]

When my wife told me he used the "old" hood as a sled, I did a bit more than cringe! Wow....talk about a misunderstanding. My son has done some pretty bonehead things but when he told me it was his hood, he also added, "Do you really think I'm that stupid". I thought, Ahhh, there's hope after all lol!

I have a 68 with ghost flames. but I think you knew that. I loved the 3rd gen camaro's and the burgandy was my favorite with t-tops. Do you ever miss it?