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No answers for problem of evil

OzSpen

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I know God did not create evil as that would come against His nature in all creation. Isaiah 45:7 where it says He creates evil, it's the evil others bring upon themselves as God brings cursing upon His enemies. A good example of that would be of Pharaoh and the first born being killed in Exodus 12 and the Amalek in 1 Samuel 15:1-3.

Those we read about in 2 Timothy 3:2-4 who become God's enemies will bring the cursings of God's fierce wrath upon themselves, especially if they are still alive in the end of days during the seven trumpets of God's vengence against His enemies.
FHG,

You still are not dealing with the correct translation of the Hebrew, ra, in Isa 45:7.

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FHG,

You still are not dealing with the correct translation of the Hebrew, ra, in Isa 45:7.

Oz
In my post #298 when I looked up the word evil it said it was derived from the Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery.

In Onkelus translation of "kelalah" means curse in the Aramaic that was the second language of the Torah for fifteen centuries. Curse is the equivalent of the word evil in it's definition.

The English word "evil" has no Ancient Hebrew equivalent. In Strong's Hebrew Lexicon the word "ra" is translated as bad or evil.

As I understand it "kelalah" in the Aramaic language and "ra" in the Hebrew language both mean the same as the English word evil.
 

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In my post #298 when I looked up the word evil it said it was derived from the Hebrew word kelalah that means adversary, affliction, calamity, distress and misery.

In Onkelus translation of "kelalah" means curse in the Aramaic that was the second language of the Torah for fifteen centuries. Curse is the equivalent of the word evil in it's definition.

The English word "evil" has no Ancient Hebrew equivalent. In Strong's Hebrew Lexicon the word "ra" is translated as bad or evil.

As I understand it "kelalah" in the Aramaic language and "ra" in the Hebrew language both mean the same as the English word evil.
FHG,

There are a number of OT texts that contradict your view that God created evil (Isa 45:7). These are but 2 examples:
  1. Deut 32:4 (ESV), 'The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice.
    A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.
  2. Ps 5:4 (ESV), 'For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you'.
Could it be clearer?

A consequence of the Fall into sin is that the physical world is infected with disease and decay (Rom 8:20-22).

However, the other factor in evil in the universe is that disasters fall within God's sovereign will and they are allowed by him. In the past He has sent some as punishments: e.g. Sodom & Gomorrah, Noah & the flood, plagues in Egypt, etc.

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Did satan sow the bad seed?
When I wrote bad seed I was not using the right analogy.
The plant that does not grow well produces nothing so their is no seed, or bad seed.
So part of the picture is what is of value and what is not. With random outcomes and knowledge some will fail, that is part of creating a self choosing, self developing and expressive system. The alternative is created and predetermined outcomes, which reflect dictatorship and not free will.
And why would God have to accept evil?
Evil is the rejection of God.
If you desire beings choose to acknowledge you, you have to provide the ability for them to ignore and reject you, which is choosing evil, even when warned this lead to death. This was the choice Adam was given, disobey and eat, you will die. He chose to take the risk and gain the benefit at the cost maybe of his life.
The choice of love is still the same.
Why would He have to accept anything since He's sovereign?
God did not have to accept free will and giving the gift of choice to man, He sovereignly chose to make the world and man this way.
Evil infected everything...even love.
I look at love being focused at things, and the focus can be wrong, but love is love.
Jesus pointed this out putting loving God had to transcend family, friends etc.
With love comes risk because evil exists.
I still don't know from whence it came.
Evil is innate without communion with God, because our lack of communion is rebellion.
Our communion provides the right focus and perspective and evil disappears.
Years ago I tried to find another way of expressing this, but have not found one, so I think this is an innate reality of existence.
I agree with your last line.
Amen, and thanks.
What I realise with language and ideas, it takes time to see for ourselves and then balance out the perspectives. I know I have not "got it" but I express where I am, and desire to adjust and refine everything further, God willing.
 

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FHG,

There are a number of OT texts that contradict your view that God created evil (Isa 45:7). These are but 2 examples:
  1. Deut 32:4 (ESV), 'The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice.
    A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is he.
  2. Ps 5:4 (ESV), 'For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you'.
Could it be clearer?

A consequence of the Fall into sin is that the physical world is infected with disease and decay (Rom 8:20-22).

However, the other factor in evil in the universe is that disasters fall within God's sovereign will and they are allowed by him. In the past He has sent some as punishments: e.g. Sodom & Gomorrah, Noah & the flood, plagues in Egypt, etc.

Oz
I never said God created evil and I agree with what you said here. I didn't make myself very clear in post #298 and tried to explain it better in post # 300. In post #302 I explained the word evil in Isaiah 45:7 as being a curse or in another word the "calamity" that God brings forth upon His enemies. It all comes down to God's blessings or cursing like that of Deuteronomy Chapter 27, 28.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. KJV

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create the dark, I make good frtune, and create calamity, it is I, Yahweh, who do all of this. The Jerusalem Bible
 

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