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Preterism uses Matthew 10:23 as a proof text. is it ?

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I'VE JUST BECOME A PRETERIST TODAY.
SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW?

Do you believe this scripture is in the past or in the future?

Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west,
Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:3-5


JLB
 
What is really funny is to read guys talking about what they dont understand or believe as if they know some one elses mind and heart...
 
What is really funny is to read guys talking about what they dont understand or believe as if they know some one elses mind and heart...

Funny ha ha or funny peculiar? I've seen how Zechariah 14:3-5 has been fulfilled by Jesus in a way much more glorious than what I used to look forward to. Now what has been seen cannot be unseen.
 
Funny ha ha or funny peculiar? I've seen how Zechariah 14:3-5 has been fulfilled by Jesus in a way much more glorious than what I used to look forward to. Now what has been seen cannot be unseen.


Ok, how so.

Please share with us how Zechariah 14:3-5 has been fulfilled in a more glorious way, than Jesus Christ returning with His saints and putting an end to all the wickedness of the rulers of this world and resurrecting the dead in Christ.



JLB
 
Do you believe this scripture is in the past or in the future?

Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west,
Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south.
Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.
Zechariah 14:3-5


JLB
Oh, that's definitely in the future.
 
Great!
Do I get a diploma or something?
Hey Reba, you better join us before it's too late.

Yes, and even better... You get to hear these words on the day of Judgement as you stand before your King.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Matthew 25:34
 
Ok, how so.

Please share with us how Zechariah 14:3-5 has been fulfilled in a more glorious way, than Jesus Christ returning with His saints and putting an end to all the wickedness of the rulers of this world and resurrecting the dead in Christ.



JLB

That's not even what Zechariah 14:3-5 says. Where do those verses mention resurrection? If you want to understand what the verses point to then start with:
Luk 12:51 - Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:​
 
That's not even what Zechariah 14:3-5 says. Where do those verses mention resurrection? If you want to understand what the verses point to then start with:
Luk 12:51 - Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:​

Zechariah 14 teaches us the Day of the Lord, in which Jesus Christ returns to earth with His saints.

It was from Zechariah that Jesus taught His disciples about His return.

Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You.


6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light. Zechariah 14:1-7


Jesus Christ returns to earth with His saints at the end of the age, to Gather His people at the Resurrection/Rapture.

This is called the Second Coming.

Everywhere the word "coming" [Parousia] is used is the New Testament concerning Jesus' return, it is a reference to this event that is in the future.

The Resurrection of the dead in Christ is in the future, when all those who are Christ's are resurrected from the dead, and received new resurrected bodies that will never die.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
1 Corinthians 15:20-24


Zechariah 14 refers to His Coming and this event.

Thus the Lord my God will come, and all the saints with You.


JLB
 
Even a tiny speck of Preterism is way out to the land of errors and confusion.
Yet Darbyism and Calvinism are tolerated.
Could that be because neither Darby nor Calvin was a Catholic but Luis de Alcasar was?
Makes a fella say, Hmmmmmmm.......................:thinking

I don't buy the Preterist view either but, as one of them American fellers who served in the military hoping to protect our freedoms, I do have an aversion to prohibitions which work to prevent the free exchange of ideas. It kinda reminds me of Obama using the IRS to prevent conservative organizations from getting the 501c3 status in time for the election............and I hate to see even a speck of freedom taken from us.

But that's just me. :shrug

iakov the fool
 
It's the free exchange of ideas that allows us to realize some of them have little to no value.

:chinPerhaps...
Instead of free exchange,,,
we could buy and sell ideas,,,
provided we have some sort of mark...:thud
 
It's the free exchange of ideas that allows us to realize some of them have little to no value.
That's why a free exchange is so important and why totalitarian (and wanna be totalitarian) governments try to control the flow of ideas. Ideas are more dangerous to a tyrant than atomic bombs.
Perhaps...
Instead of free exchange,,,
we could buy and sell ideas,,,
provided we have some sort of mark...
:lol2

iakov the fool
 
There is not a whole lot of prophecy in the NT but what occurs at the end. The major ones are the Angelic Trumpet, seals and Vials events that have yet to occur.

Rule and authority of God in a believers life (Kingdom of God) Check
Holy Spirit poured out, dreams, visions Check

Not a whole lot to look at.

Mike.
First of all, the NT is permeated with prophecy.

Furthermore, Peter wrote: "The end of ALL THINGS is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). As a Jew, he, like other Jews, had a worldview based in Judaism, the Old Covenant, and the Mosaic Law. If we don't see that and approach the Scriptures with our western mindset, we will continue to miss the boat. What "ALL THINGS" did Peter mean? The Jews saw two ages--the age Peter then lived in and the one that was ABOUT TO come. He understood that with the coming destruction of their city and the Temple, that the tenets (stoicheia) of Judaism and the Old Covenant were about to be "burned with fervent heat" (2 Peter 3). The "end of all things" was not, to those converted Jews of THAT day, the end of the earth. When the Roman armies burned the Temple, the heat was so "fervent" that the gold melted from the walls! Peter said nothing about the burning up of the earth!

The writer of Hebrews makes this clear when he wrote about the ending of the Old and the coming of the New. If the Old had been perfect, there would have been no need for a new. But it was not; it was lacking and deficient. He wrote that the old even THEN was "growing old, becoming obsolete, READY to pass away" (Heb. 8). THAT was the "all things" which were ABOUT TO end--in A.D. 70.
 
jasonc I was just trying to show that matthew 10:23 is used as a proof text by Preterism to show that Jesus has come back the second time. but the Bible verses I showed say different.
I'm sorry, but I still don't get it. Jesus clearly told THOSE disciples that THEY would not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man CAME. He was not talking about that very mission they were THEN on. AFTER He died and was buried and ascended, they continued their mission to go throughout the cities of Israel. They did not finish THAT task before He CAME. I don't get what their coming back to Jesus while He was still living has anything to do with their overall mission.
 
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