jeff77
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Proverbs 25:24 Does this have anything to do with it?
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turnorburn
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No Jeff its from a scripture where Jesus says..
Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
tob
*edit: the poster asked how many of us live on our roofs
Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
tob
*edit: the poster asked how many of us live on our roofs
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turnorburn
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Its common today just depends on where you live..
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tob
This is a dwelling that is common in that region today.
They have a different lifestyle and mindset than western Americans.
Watch and pray means something different to them than to us.
Not that Jesus doesn't mean what He says.
Watch and pray means to them today something different than to us.
Yet it means the same .
Example. Watch and pray means today to the Jew in Jerusalem, from the roof of their house they watch for a threat.
To Americans we watch the news on TV as well as watch from the windows of our house.
Their roof are designed for this.
Our roofs are not.
Their is the exception to both....
JLB
Oh yeah.... I can see a Jewish man sitting on his roof, being on the watch for incoming missiles that will take out a half a block in about three to five seconds from the moment of any spotting of them. Good job trying to grab your pregnant wife, and run to the mountains........ or any of the other stuff we keep trying to claim was written to us, and not them, back then.
Their mindset is different that ours.
What would a Jew today think about Jesus' words?
JLB
turnorburn
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Yes some people do miss the point Willie it all depends on what the point is..
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Since we are speaking of a nation of people who are way too familiar with very modern and technical warfare and horribly destructive missiles coming in to wreak havoc at all hours, and planted bombs going off in crowed city districts on a regular basis, killing their friends and families........ I doubt very much that they have some sort of "different mindset" about these things. No, it's highly unlikely that they would "keep watch" from their rooftops for an invading army to march on their city to encircle it.
No. not at all. An army dumb enough to try that would immediately face the swift and effective retaliation of Israel's own very formidable military tanks and jets and rocket batteries.
The things Jesus warned the Christians would happen in AD 70, was just what he spoke of....and just what happened... a marching Roman army with a few hundred horses.
A Jew today KNOWS what Jesus' words meant... though the Jews in olden times didn't heed them. They clearly have their history to show them what happened in 70 AD to effectively end the age of Judaism as the pervision it had become in those days.
The point is that Jesus plainly spoke all those things in Matthew 24 to warn the future Christians to quickly run for the gates of the city that would soon be closed, cutting off any escape, when the Roman Army encircled Jerusalem and laid siege to it. And it worked. Historians tell us that all the Christians got out, fleeing for the mountains, while the Jews hunkered down inside the city walls to defend their city. And just as it happened before, way back in 500 something BC, they got slaughtered for it. (Back then, the Jews, themselves, had been told by God's prophets to surrender the city, and NOT try to defend it) History repeated itself in 70 AD, because they still refused to listen.
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Deborah13
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Young's Literal Translation
Mat 16:28 Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.'
Mat 10:23 `And whenever they may persecute you in this city, flee to the other, for verily I say to you, ye may not have completed the cities of Israel till the Son of Man may come.
Mar 13:24 `But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 and the stars of the heaven shall be falling , and the powers that are in the heavens shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 `And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in clouds with much power and glory,
Joseph's dream, who are the sun, moon, and stars? The family of Jacob (Israel).
Gen 37:9 And he dreameth yet another dream, and recounteth it to his brethren, and saith, `Lo, I have dreamed a dream again, and lo, the sun and the moon, and eleven stars, are bowing themselves to me.'
Gen 37:10 And he recounteth unto his father, and unto his brethren; and his father pusheth against him, and saith to him, `What is this dream which thou hast dreamt? do we certainly come--I, and thy mother, and thy brethren--to bow ourselves to thee, to the earth?'
Dan 12:1 `And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, who is standing up for the sons of thy people, and there hath been a time of distress, such as hath not been since there hath been a nation till that time, and at that time do thy people escape, every one who is found written in the book.
Who are Daniel's people? The Jews, the nation of Israel. How do they escape? Jesus told them what to do.
Mat 24:16 then those in Judea--let them flee to the mounts;
Luk 21:21 then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;
Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house;
Note; Some people think that Daniel 12, is in relationship to the whole world, and this could be.
I should probably have quote Daniel 9 which is more directly related to Matt. 24.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say to you, there are certain of those standing here who shall not taste of death till they may see the Son of Man coming in his reign.'
Mat 10:23 `And whenever they may persecute you in this city, flee to the other, for verily I say to you, ye may not have completed the cities of Israel till the Son of Man may come.
Mar 13:24 `But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 and the stars of the heaven shall be falling , and the powers that are in the heavens shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 `And then they shall see the Son of Man coming in clouds with much power and glory,
Joseph's dream, who are the sun, moon, and stars? The family of Jacob (Israel).
Gen 37:9 And he dreameth yet another dream, and recounteth it to his brethren, and saith, `Lo, I have dreamed a dream again, and lo, the sun and the moon, and eleven stars, are bowing themselves to me.'
Gen 37:10 And he recounteth unto his father, and unto his brethren; and his father pusheth against him, and saith to him, `What is this dream which thou hast dreamt? do we certainly come--I, and thy mother, and thy brethren--to bow ourselves to thee, to the earth?'
Dan 12:1 `And at that time stand up doth Michael, the great head, who is standing up for the sons of thy people, and there hath been a time of distress, such as hath not been since there hath been a nation till that time, and at that time do thy people escape, every one who is found written in the book.
Who are Daniel's people? The Jews, the nation of Israel. How do they escape? Jesus told them what to do.
Mat 24:16 then those in Judea--let them flee to the mounts;
Luk 21:21 then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;
Luk 21:22 because these are days of vengeance, to fulfil all things that have been written.
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house;
Note; Some people think that Daniel 12, is in relationship to the whole world, and this could be.
I should probably have quote Daniel 9 which is more directly related to Matt. 24.
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It IS interesting that so many of us insist on believing that words of warning, and explicit instructions on what they were to do, actually SPOKEN directly to a group of people living more than 2,000 years ago were not intended for them, at all, but were meant for some Americans (and maybe a few others) that wouldn't even be alive until 21 centuries into the future.
It would be like us being told, by a talking head on TV, about an event that was going to happen in the year 4,020. That would sure seem important to me, how about you?
It would be like us being told, by a talking head on TV, about an event that was going to happen in the year 4,020. That would sure seem important to me, how about you?
Still waiting for you to give us a verse from the Olivet Discourse whereby Jesus mentions the destruction of the temple and the city?
Here is my verse that shows us Jesus words were for us and them -
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh , at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping . 37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch . Mark 13;35-37
Jesus also mentions that the generation that sees the signs that He Himself described, will see the Son of Man Coming on the clouds with power and great glory!
33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near--at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Matthew 24:33-34
JLB
I have to assume you are just having some odd sort of fun..... The very first verse in Matthew 24 has Jesus stating that not one stone in that temple they are looking at will be left on top of another. Now where was this temple they were looking at? And what year was it?
That, alone (if you never even looked at all the rest of the verses) should let you know that He was talking about that specific building.
Please list the scripture in the Olivet Discourse where Jesus refers to the destruction of the city and sanctuary.
I have never seen one yet.
Thanks JLB