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JLB In my personal opinion ( not reflective of CFnet ) that site is antichrist...
 

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JLB In my personal opinion ( not reflective of CFnet ) that site is antichrist...
I would agree with you, in that anyone who denies Jesus is Messiah...

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

On the other hand, we were all antichrist at one time before we confessed Jesus as Messiah and Lord.


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Agreed JLB... seeking Godly wisdom from an antichrist organization seems goofy to me...
 

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I would agree with you, in that anyone who denies Jesus is Messiah...

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

On the other hand, we were all antichrist at one time before we confessed Jesus as Messiah and Lord.


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I think that the term "antichrist" was meant to indicate a belief (or even just a person) that heard of, knew about, and understood what and who Christ said He was, but still after knowing, CHOSE to deny the deity of Christ.

I can't see how that would pertain to the majority of people who became Christians when they heard the Gospel of the kingdom, that Jesus and the followers since then taught.
 

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Agreed JLB... seeking Godly wisdom from an antichrist organization seems goofy to me...

Of course seeking wisdom from an antichrist organization is goofy.

Asking them about their plans for construction of the Temple, is simply obtaining information, as Paul says.

Do not be unaware of the Devil's devises.


On the other hand, since you still have that rolling pin, I will not continue in this with you.

You have made your point!

:bricks :couch


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Agreed JLB... seeking Godly wisdom from an antichrist organization seems goofy to me...
I don't necessarily believe they fit the definition of an antichrist organization, but I'd still like to ask them if they wouldn't be satisfied with a tabernacle instead of a temple. After all, a tabernacle was good enough for Moses and David. In fact David was found unworthy by God to built a temple. Does the temple institute feel they are more worthy than King David?
 

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I think that the term "antichrist" was meant to indicate a belief (or even just a person) that heard of, knew about, and understood what and who Christ said He was, but still after knowing, CHOSE to deny the deity of Christ.

I can't see how that would pertain to the majority of people who became Christians when they heard the Gospel of the kingdom, that Jesus and the followers since then taught.

Based on this phrase of yours - and understood what and who Christ said He was, but still after knowing, CHOSE to deny the deity of Christ.

It is understanding who Christ is, and what the Gospel is, that causes us to become fruitful.

23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

However, I think I know the point you are making, and based on that reasoning, I will agree with you.


Let's also keep in mind two important things:


  • It is God sending the strong delusion. The person of this delusion is the lawless one who is working lying signs and wonders. The place of this delusion is the temple, where this lawless one, this man of sin, and son of perdition will operate this delusion.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12

  • The time frame of the 70th week has everything to do with the temple and sacrifices for the above mentioned purpose.
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." Daniel 9:27


It is Jesus Christ Himself that destroys this Lawless one by the brightness of His coming,.

8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8



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I don't necessarily believe they fit the definition of an antichrist organization, but I'd still like to ask them if they wouldn't be satisfied with a tabernacle instead of a temple. After all, a tabernacle was good enough for Moses and David. In fact David was found unworthy by God to built a temple. Does the temple institute feel they are more worthy than King David?
Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
A study on Davids tabernacle :thumbsup
 

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Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
A study on Davids tabernacle :thumbsup
that is the LORD, David's home was beached in that it was severed from the promise of the throne. when Jesus came he restored that. the idea that torah needs a temple isn't to be found in both Judaism nor Christianity. its a blessing yes but not a mandate. remember god honored what was in david's heart. he never told moses to build a temple. sure the chassidics want it. they teach that its most blessed state with the Heshem, but either the moshiac does it or they do it and then the moshiac comes and restores the torah fully.
 

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I don't necessarily believe they fit the definition of an antichrist organization, but I'd still like to ask them if they wouldn't be satisfied with a tabernacle instead of a temple. After all, a tabernacle was good enough for Moses and David. In fact David was found unworthy by God to built a temple. Does the temple institute feel they are more worthy than King David?
That would be an interesting question to ask them? I wonder what their answer would be.
 

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ok, if a jew denies that the moshiac has come then they are what? and yes they are part of Chassidism. googl chabad ludvidich(sp?) and see what comes up and its also chabad.org. they do have a few pages on jesus that are rather difficult to read.
 

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Amo 9:11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
A study on Davids tabernacle :thumbsup
that is the LORD, David's home was beached in that it was severed from the promise of the throne. when Jesus came he restored that. the idea that torah needs a temple isn't to be found in both Judaism nor Christianity. its a blessing yes but not a mandate. remember god honored what was in david's heart. he never told moses to build a temple. sure the chassidics want it. they teach that its most blessed state with the Heshem, but either the moshiac does it or they do it and then the moshiac comes and restores the torah fully.
Psa 61:3 - For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy.​

David's tabernacle, his shelter, is the LORD. It is not a construct made with human hands. Now read Amos 9:11 with Christ in mind and we see the resurrection, the ascension, and the growth of His Body the Church.
 

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Psa 61:3 - For thou hast been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from the enemy.​

David's tabernacle, his shelter, is the LORD. It is not a construct made with human hands. Now read Amos 9:11 with Christ in mind and we see the resurrection, the ascension, and the growth of His Body the Church.
the Ramban says(and he is a jew whom argued against jesus being the messiah) that the third temple would be a fleshly one.
 

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what makes sense is that in jewry, the torah is seen as a well being drawn up and flowing through you. in the moshiac era that will be very close to having God in you. that is what most jews say. ramban says it is much more then that. in that God will dwell. that the idea is akin to Jesus' statement out of the belly shall rivers of life flow!
 

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Jer 2:13 For two evils hath My people done, Me they have forsaken, a fountain of living waters, To hew out for themselves wells--broken wells, That contain not the waters.

Not comparing this to the Isaiah scriptures but talking about wells reminded me of this one.
 

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Jer 2:13 For two evils hath My people done, Me they have forsaken, a fountain of living waters, To hew out for themselves wells--broken wells, That contain not the waters.

Not comparing this to the Isaiah scriptures but talking about wells reminded me of this one.
which would be what im saying but his commands are also to considered part of this. the torah is seen this way. I take that torah to be jesus. TOG will like that.
 

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which would be what im saying but his commands are also to considered part of this. the torah is seen this way. I take that torah to be jesus. TOG will like that.
Jesus is the physical embodiment of the Torah. He showed us by his life what the Torah teaches us.

The TOG​
 

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