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and she is correct bad pride is what created David down fall=== the flesh..good pride you take pride in helping at your church. you take pride in your family





Thanks Ezra for explaining that, like I said I had a hard day today and it's really rather difficult for me to think straight right now.
 
Bridgeway Bible Dictionary

Pride is possibly the most common sin of all. It is the root sin, the means that Satan used in successfully tempting the original humans to rebel against their maker (Genesis 3:1-6; 1 John 2:16). It remains a characteristic feature of fallen human nature and one of the hardest evils to overcome (Proverbs 16:18; Daniel 5:20; Obadiah 1:3; Mark 7:21-22; Romans 1:28-30).
The essence of pride is self-centredness. The pleasure of the proud is not just to have something, but to have more of it than anyone else; not just to be something, but to be better than anyone else (Proverbs 14:21; Matthew 23:5-7; Matthew 23:12; 1 John 2:16). Pride causes people to rebel against God because he is above them, and despise fellow human beings because, in their view, they are below them (Exodus 5:2; Isaiah 14:12-15; Luke 18:9-11).
To feel pleasure at being praised is not pride, provided the pleasure comes from having pleased someone else (Matthew 25:21). But if the pleasure is that of delighting in oneself or holding a high opinion of oneself, that is pride (Matthew 6:2; Matthew 6:5; John 12:43). In like manner, to feel pleasure in some other person or thing (to feel proud of it) is not pride in the sinful sense, providing it is only unselfish admiration (Haggai 1:8; Galatians 6:14). But if the pleasure is a feeling of conceit, the pride is sinful (Isaiah 25:11; Daniel 4:30).
Pride is a sin that is particularly hateful to God (Proverbs 8:13; Proverbs 16:5). Those who practise it bring against themselves God’s opposition, and guarantee for themselves a humiliating punishment (Leviticus 26:19; Proverbs 29:23; Isaiah 13:11; Isaiah 16:6; Daniel 4:37; Luke 1:51; Luke 18:14; James 4:6). (See also BOASTING; HUMILITY; HYPOCRISY.)
 
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After all, I'm sure that at one point and time we all have received Christmas gifts that we really didn't like or it was something that we already had but we thanked them for it and told them that we loved it anyway because we didn't want to hurt their feelings and I don't know about you, but I really don't think that God has a problem with that since it's done out of love instead of ignorance.
If you graciously accept a gift as you describe above, is it lying to do so?
Let's just say I would never tell somebody I hated their gift or thought that they looked very ugly in a sweater.
There are softer ways to do this though. For example, if you're given a gift you don't like and they ask if you liked your gift, instead of just replying that you hate it, you could just simply say that you appreciate the gift but in reality it really isn't my cup of tea or something along those lines. Or, if someone asks you how they look in their sweater, instead of saying they look ugly in it, how about just telling them that it's a nice sweater but you think the design doesn't fit their personality or something along those lines.

Telling the truth doesn't necessarily mean it has to be blunt and painful. In fact, suppose you were wearing a sweater that looked really bad on you, wouldn't you want someone to somehow let you know?
 
If you graciously accept a gift as you describe above, is it lying to do so?

There are softer ways to do this though. For example, if you're given a gift you don't like and they ask if you liked your gift, instead of just replying that you hate it, you could just simply say that you appreciate the gift but in reality it really isn't my cup of tea or something along those lines. Or, if someone asks you how they look in their sweater, instead of saying they look ugly in it, how about just telling them that it's a nice sweater but you think the design doesn't fit their personality or something along those lines.

Telling the truth doesn't necessarily mean it has to be blunt and painful. In fact, suppose you were wearing a sweater that looked really bad on you, wouldn't you want someone to somehow let you know?



Those are really good points and I apologize if anything I said yesterday to For_his_glory or anybody else came out wrong. For I didn't mean it to, and I had a rather long and hard day. Luckily for me though today is a fresh day and it seems to be going better for me so far. :)
 
Let's just say I would never tell somebody I hated their gift or thought that they looked very ugly in a sweater.

When given a gift there is no need to say you like it or not, but just say thank you in appreciation for the thought of it being given to you. If someone asked me what they looked like in some outfit I would be honest and say whether I liked it or not, but yet it's up to how they feel wearing it. None of this is lying to the person and no hurt feelings involved.
 
Those are really good points and I apologize if anything I said yesterday to For_his_glory or anybody else came out wrong. For I didn't mean it to, and I had a rather long and hard day. Luckily for me though today is a fresh day and it seems to be going better for me so far. :)

No need to apologize for if we do not ask questions how will we learn. It's all good sis :hug
 
Oh and one more thing I have to say is that to me it doesn't really matter what a person looks on the outside, (even if they're wearing clothes that I don't really like) it's on the inside that really counts.



1 Samuel 16:7 "But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart." :cross
 
ORIGINAL SIN-SIN NATURE-PRIDE
THE SPIRIT OF EVE

Gen 3:1-5

1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"
2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;
3 "but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
5 "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
NEW TESTAMENT
Original Sin
LAWS, RULES, ORDERS, COMMANDMENTS STRONG REQUESTS
[Rom 7:5-13
5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
7 What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet."
8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all [manner of evil] desire. For apart from the law sin [was] dead.
9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
10 And the commandment, which [was] to [bring] life, I found to [bring] death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed [me].
12 Therefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful.
[2Co 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[1Ti 2:13-14
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.



Everyone has a rebellous spirit in them. That wants to rebel against authority, rules, laws , commandments, even a strong request from someone. Adam and Eve had that spirit. When God said dont eat of that fruit. We all have to deal with it. someone says dont do it, we then desire to do it. Someone says do it, we then desire to not do it. The original sin is pride. Pride is self glory, that you can do something on your own and you dont need Gods help.

[1Co 4:7
7 For who makes you differ [from another]? And what do you have that you did not receive? Now if you did indeed receive [it], why do you boast as if you had not received [it]?
 
Because of the fact that he let Satan talk him into getting a census of Israel and I found this article.




http://www.biblestudy.org/question/why-did-god-punish-king-david-for-taking-a-census.html

NOW we're getting somewhere! Isn't this an odd bit of Scripture? Imagine, God taking exception to a leader or government because we want to take a census, and punishing us for it? The US takes a census regularly, and is planning another one; with a debate about whether we should ask about illegal alien status. (I think it would not produce reliable information)

Is it ok for US? Then why was it wrong for David?

There's a lot to this, I think! I think this literature shows us how God purifies our hearts.

Pride is not usually the first thing one thinks of when we ponder King David. Then there's this idea of "good pride vs bad pride." What does the Bible say about that? Look at David vs Goliath. Do you see pride in that story?
 
NOW we're getting somewhere! Isn't this an odd bit of Scripture? Imagine, God taking exception to a leader or government because we want to take a census, and punishing us for it? The US takes a census regularly, and is planning another one; with a debate about whether we should ask about illegal alien status. (I think it would not produce reliable information)

Is it ok for US? Then why was it wrong for David?

There's a lot to this, I think! I think this literature shows us how God purifies our hearts.

Pride is not usually the first thing one thinks of when we ponder King David. Then there's this idea of "good pride vs bad pride." What does the Bible say about that? Look at David vs Goliath. Do you see pride in that story?
there isnt a command in the bible that says that the u.s. or any other nation cant have a census. the reason for the isrealites commanded by God to not to and also well about that 20 years and up going to war, that kinda kills gun ownership . this command for isreal to trust God and not their weapons , and man power.
 
there isnt a command in the bible that says that the u.s. or any other nation cant have a census. the reason for the isrealites commanded by God to not to and also well about that 20 years and up going to war, that kinda kills gun ownership . this command for isreal to trust God and not their weapons , and man power.

So you're saying God specifically commanded Israel not to take a census?
 
the torah was given to Isreal by God. isreal was also slay certain people. if we are going to ignore context then what about those that we should kill?

I'm not suggesting to ignore context, and am quick to point out there is NO Scripture that commands us (or Jews) to kill anyone.

I'm asking if you're aware of God commanding ancient Israel not to take a census.
 
NOW we're getting somewhere! Isn't this an odd bit of Scripture? Imagine, God taking exception to a leader or government because we want to take a census, and punishing us for it? The US takes a census regularly, and is planning another one; with a debate about whether we should ask about illegal alien status. (I think it would not produce reliable information)

Is it ok for US? Then why was it wrong for David?

There's a lot to this, I think! I think this literature shows us how God purifies our hearts.

Pride is not usually the first thing one thinks of when we ponder King David. Then there's this idea of "good pride vs bad pride." What does the Bible say about that? Look at David vs Goliath. Do you see pride in that story?

I said
I have done a extensive study on the subject. And found there is no good pride. Pride is taking credit for ones self. Eliminating God from being a part of it.
 
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