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Also I believe that "Son of man" , to the Jews, was a direct claim to deity(and no one else was the "Son of man" except Yeshua, which is what those who had not been immersed by John the immerser got so mad at Yeshua for and did not accept Him. (i.e. those not immersed rejected Yeshua and His Being God)

Luke 7:29-30Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
29 All the people who heard him, even the tax-collectors, by undergoing Yochanan’s immersion acknowledged that God was right; 30 but the P’rushim and the Torah-teachers, by not letting themselves be immersed by him, nullified for themselves God’s plan.

"Luke 7:29-30Revised Standard Version (RSV)
29 (When they heard this all the people and the tax collectors justified God, having been baptized with the baptism of John; 30 but the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.) "
 

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The very term "Son of God" implies that Jesus is God, just like his Father. Jesus is just as fully God as the Father is; that is what the clear teaching of Scripture is.

Jesus is all that the Father is.

The fullness was pleased to dwell IN Him. He is the image of the invisible God and the exact representation of Gods being. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Him.

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Jesus is all that the Father is.

The fullness was pleased to dwell IN Him. He is the image of the invisible God and the exact representation of Gods being. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in Him.

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If "Jesus is all that the Father is," then Jesus is God in the same way that the Father is God, or he isn't all that the Father is.
 

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in english, that's about as good as it gets. in Hebrew too ! :)
don't try to unravel the mystery - you can't !
 

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If "Jesus is all that the Father is," then Jesus is God in the same way that the Father is God, or he isn't all that the Father is.

Is Jesus God?
Like this thread He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

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Is Jesus God?
Like this thread He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

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..... Yeshua has existed , He is Divine, Forever. but where is it written that He was always "Son" ?
 

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..... Yeshua has existed , He is Divine, Forever. but where is it written that He was always "Son" ?

Where is it written He always was? Jesus received authority. The fullness was "pleased" to dwell in Him. Clearly given.

Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. He has His own spirit and mind and will. He is a Son. I know you know who Jesus calls Father and who Jesus calls His God.

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Where is it written He always was?....
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that's a basic tenet of Christianity. (for which this forum stands)
i think it is written in the statement of faith for this website, and likewise indirectly or directly in the TOS (terms of service) required to use this forum.
 

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that's a basic tenet of Christianity. (for which this forum stands)
i think it is written in the statement of faith for this website, and likewise indirectly or directly in the TOS (terms of service) required to use this forum.

Well actually its also TOS to believe the bible is inspired.

"The firstborn of all creation"

Means what it states. Blame Paul.
 

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Is Jesus God?
Like this thread He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.
You keep bringing this up and I keep having to point out that it is a contradiction. A woman cannot be both pregnant and not pregnant, just as Jesus cannot be both God and not God. He is either God or he is not.

"The firstborn of all creation"

Means what it states. Blame Paul.
Yes, Paul meant what he stated, but what he stated is not how you are taking it to mean. You are divorcing that word from its context.
 

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The way I figure it, it's a simple equation of sorts. Jesus either is God or He isn't, and He either knew it or He didn't.

If He isn't God, and knows it = Liar
If He isn't God and doesn't know it = Lunatic
If He is God, and doesn't know it = Lunatic
If He is God and knows it = God, truthful, loving, and to be feared.
 

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HAY! :) ...... ".... become like a little child..." gets a refreshing meaning here! :) to enter heaven :)

Yeah! huh. Makes me wonder at what age the age of accountability kicks in?
 

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the age of accountability is fictitious/ made up/ a religious falacy/ (i think). :) (am actually very sure)

A fallacy? Not without logical grounds though. The Lord speaks of Children as if they are innocent, and of man as if he is accountable. So at some point in aging, we become accountable for our actions. At what age?
 

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A fallacy? Not without logical grounds though. The Lord speaks of Children as if they are innocent, and of man as if he is accountable. So at some point in aging, we become accountable for our actions. At what age?

there's not a lot we can discuss here about it without making a lot of people mad, maybe very mad.
later, Yhwh willing, He will provide a way to pursue this good for all involved.

for instance, remember what you said about how complicated the irs code is - a few pages more than 12 ? :) ..... (million(s))?

well, the complicated and deceptive religious writings that started the age of accountability and other disorders cover 52 miles of shelves, tightly packed, and secret (very very very tight security and ungodly secrecy).

worldly, man's religion >
James 1:26 KJV - If any man among you seem to be - Bible Gateway
James 1:26 King James Version (KJV) 26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
 
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