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Hey someone splain this to me....

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as (like) a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

What does "in the likeness" mean?

Does this verse mean Jesus (who is God) appeared to be in the form of a man, but wasn't really (likeness) flesh and blood man?

Blue (like) my addition...can be substituted as it is included in the strongs definition for "as".
 
Before, I get kicked off this forum and move on to the next (seems that mods are on me again)....I need to post 2 more posts....

The first is an explanation of what Docetism is....

Docetism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Christianity, Docetism (from the Greek δοκέω [dokeō], "to seem") is the belief that Jesus' physical body was an illusion, as was his crucifixion; that is, Jesus only seemed to have a physical body and to physically die, but in reality he was incorporeal, a pure spirit, and hence could not physically die. This belief has historically been regarded as heretical by most Christian theologians.

This belief is most commonly attributed to the Gnostics, who believed that matter was evil, and hence that God would not take on a material body. This statement is rooted in the idea that a divine spark is imprisoned within the material body, and that the material body is in itself an obstacle, deliberately created by an evil lesser god (the demiurge) to prevent man from seeing his divine origin. Humanity is, in essence, asleep.

Added that to support this......

Marcion of Sinope (ca. 110-160), was a major 2nd century Early Christian theologian, founder of what would later be called Marcionism, and one of the first to be strongly denounced by other Christians (who would later be called Catholic as opposed to Marcionite) as heretical.

What did Maricon believe?

...This position has led many in orthodox branches to label his teachings Gnostic, as they make use of the concept of the Demiurge and a Docetic Christ.

Marcion believed in a Docetic Christ.....as defined by the definition above.

Maricon although later branded a heretic was credited as introducing the earliest NT canon....which included all the Pauline works as well as Luke and Acts....The OT and other Gospels were not included.

The premise of Marcionism is that many of the teachings of Christ (not Jesus  Marcion treated Jesus as being distinct from Christ) are incompatible with the god of the Jewish religion. Focusing on the Pauline traditions of the Gospel, Marcion felt that all other conceptions of the Gospel, and especially any association with the Old Testament religion, was opposed to, and a backsliding from, the truth. He further regarded the arguments of Paul regarding law and gospel, wrath and grace, works and faith, flesh and spirit, sin and righteousness, death and life, as the essence of religious truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

In short...Marcion was a Paul only guy.....

is...

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as (like) a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

concealed Docetism? Is this one of the reasons Marcion was a Paul only guy?
 
What does John have to say about this......

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

Notice...."in the flesh".....not, in the "likeness of flesh"...

1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Again...."in the flesh" and "in the likeness of flesh". One word says it all...


2Jo 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Again..."in the flesh" and "in the likeness of flesh"....John could have said "likeness" but did not....

John was refuting.....

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as (like) a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.


Oh well...who are you going to believe....Marcion or John...?
 
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