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There has been only One Resurrection of the dead.

There is no need to wonder!

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

There have been OT testament saints who have been raised and ascended to heaven from the heart of the earth, but that is not the Resurrection of the dead, whereby we will receive an immortal body that will never die, and will shine like the Sun.
JLB

How can you be so sure? What happened to the saints raised just after Jesus was raised. People saw them just like they saw the Lord after He was raised. How do we know they were not also a part of those with Christ first fruits. He was The first fruits. But they could have been, too. ?
Rev_14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
 
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Agreed Revelation speaks of a beast

There is a Biblical definition of antichrist. found here
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Again we do not fine in Scripture The great tribulation Jesus said "great tribulation "

very interesting thought ... one that wont leave me.... :)


Did you read Rev 13? If one sets up an false image that must be worshiped or you die is that stating Jesus is the Lord or one who is denying Jesus as Lord and Christ as in antichrist? Also God is Love and loves those who love Him and works for their good. That beast is a destroyer and while he may give out rewards to those that follow him he cares nothing about the peoples well being. Jesus on the other hand layed down His life for the sheep. - No greater love can be shown then that.

Rev 13
The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

2Thess Powerful delusion and one who claims they are God in the temple of God - Same as Rev 13

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing.They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Keep in mind that Rev 11 will take place first before the beast is released form imprisonment (angel of the abyss) Thats 1260 days of testimony and then the beast kills them and they are refused burial by those that took joy in their death. But God raises them up after 3-1/2 days. If anyone has a shred of faith or love for God in those days they will believe that sign and give glory God. A loving God warns and warns. Also for those that refused that last sign and will follow the beast even as punishment is poured out they refuse to repent and curse God even though God has their lives in His hands.
 
How can you be so sure? What happened to the saints raised just after Jesus was raised. People saw them just like they saw the Lord after He was raised. How do we know they were not also a part of those with Christ first fruits. He was The first fruits. But they could have been, too. ?
Rev_14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Let's try it again, and this time please read what I have written.

There has been only One Resurrection of the dead.

There is no need to wonder!

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

There have been OT testament saints who have been raised and ascended to heaven from the heart of the earth, but that is not the Resurrection of the dead, whereby we will receive an immortal body that will never die, and will shine like the Sun.

People who die in Christ go to heaven, however there bodies await the Resurrection of the dead that takes place for all, at His Coming.

When they are Resurrected/Raptured, they will receive a boby that will never die, that will shine like the sun.

This happens once and for all at His Coming!

That is how I can be so sure.


JLB
 
so when matthew wrote that graves opened up. that was what?

Not the last day as in the dead in Christ rise first then those left alive on earth are caught up to the Lord and clothed with immortality as Jesus gathers His elect from the ends of the heavens. And I don't mean a pretrib rapture but the 2nd coming of the Lord. Rev 16:15 The last day of these last days.
John 11:24

Jesus raised people from the dead. Lazarus, a young girl.... Lots of signs testifying to this truth: Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. Those bodies were of the dust of the earth unless one wants to believe Lazarus and those others are still walking this earth.

Randy
 
they were resurrected. I know that but that resurrection of saints means that there will be another, thus making two.

and I don't believe in the last day of the last days. the nation of isreal had its last day. the other nations will have its. of course the last days of isreal was the seven year siege. but futurists ignore that the jews in Nazareth stayed and many jews never left that land.
 
Not the last day as in the dead in Christ rise first then those left alive on earth are caught up to the Lord and clothed with immortality as Jesus gathers His elect from the ends of the heavens. And I don't mean a pretrib rapture but the 2nd coming of the Lord. Rev 16:15 The last day of these last days.
John 11:24

Jesus raised people from the dead. Lazarus, a young girl.... Lots of signs testifying to this truth: Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God. Those bodies were of the dust of the earth unless one wants to believe Lazarus and those others are still walking this earth.

Randy

I don't believe it was the 'last day'.

Yes, Jesus and the Apostles raised people from the dead. Scripture says so.

I don't believe they are still walking the earth.
 
Let's try it again, and this time please read what I have written.
:janitor

There has been only One Resurrection of the dead.

There is no need to wonder!

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 1 Corinthians 15:22-23

There have been OT testament saints who have been raised and ascended to heaven from the heart of the earth, but that is not the Resurrection of the dead, whereby we will receive an immortal body that will never die, and will shine like the Sun.

People who die in Christ go to heaven, however there bodies await the Resurrection of the dead that takes place for all, at His Coming.

When they are Resurrected/Raptured, they will receive a boby that will never die, that will shine like the sun.

This happens once and for all at His Coming!

That is how I can be so sure.

JLB



Here is a partial quote from the Matthew Henry Commentary about Matt. 27:52-53.
[3.] Some think that they arose only to bear witness of Christ’s resurrection to those to whom they appeared, and, having finished their testimony, retired to their graves again. But it is more agreeable, both to Christ’s honour and theirs, to suppose, though we cannot prove, that they arose as Christ did, to die no more, and therefore ascended with him to glory. Surely on them who did partake of his first resurrection, a second death had no power.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 27&version=ESV

Do you see the difference. Not a second resurrection of the dead. But that they partook of His resurrection and His ascension.

I'm not in such bad company in believing that this is a possibility.
 
:janitor





Here is a partial quote from the Matthew Henry Commentary about Matt. 27:52-53.
[3.] Some think that they arose only to bear witness of Christ’s resurrection to those to whom they appeared, and, having finished their testimony, retired to their graves again. But it is more agreeable, both to Christ’s honour and theirs, to suppose, though we cannot prove, that they arose as Christ did, to die no more, and therefore ascended with him to glory. Surely on them who did partake of his first resurrection, a second death had no power.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 27&version=ESV

Do you see the difference. Not a second resurrection of the dead. But that they partook of His resurrection and His ascension.

I'm not in such bad company in believing that this is a possibility.

Not a second Resurrection!

End of discussion.
 
they were resurrected. I know that but that resurrection of saints means that there will be another, thus making two.

and I don't believe in the last day of the last days. the nation of isreal had its last day. the other nations will have its. of course the last days of isreal was the seven year siege. but futurists ignore that the jews in Nazareth stayed and many jews never left that land.

No one has been Resurrected from the dead except Jesus Christ.

JLB
 
where are the saints then? dead? graves opened up after the cross? where did they go? so what was that?

In Heaven.

The spirits of these saints who were in the heart of the earth prior to Christ.

They will return with Him at His Coming and receive their resurrected bodies that will never die and will shine like the sun, just like Jesus has now.

Now, at present, all the ones in heaven are awaiting their resurrected bodies which they will receive on the last Day, at His Coming.


JLB
 
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I don't believe it was the 'last day'.

Yes, Jesus and the Apostles raised people from the dead. Scripture says so.

I don't believe they are still walking the earth.

The 1st resurrection is noted in Rev 20. So that was res .5 :)
kidding

While the term can apply if one is brought back from the dead (resurrection) in Jesus's day those such raised back to life was as a sign/testimony and not the 1st Resurrection. Like Rev 11:11 Which I think you believe. While the thought of the day was a belief in a future resurrection of us all Jesus implied to Mary not without Him as He was the resurrection and the life. And indeed Jesus raised up Lazarus from his grave.

Now the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous is noted together in Dan 12 but because of the wording in Rev I believe there will be 1000 years between the 2. Some don't but I am pre mil.
 
The 1st resurrection is noted in Rev 20. So that was res .5 :)
kidding

While the term can apply if one is brought back from the dead (resurrection) in Jesus's day those such raised back to life was as a sign/testimony and not the 1st Resurrection. Like Rev 11:11 Which I think you believe. While the thought of the day was a belief in a future resurrection of us all Jesus implied to Mary not without Him as He was the resurrection and the life. And indeed Jesus raised up Lazarus from his grave.

Now the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous is noted together in Dan 12 but because of the wording in Rev I believe there will be 1000 years between the 2. Some don't but I am pre mil.

John 5:25-29 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this:for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The scripture teaches us that God the Father is a God of the living, and not the dead. But Jesus came that he might be Lord of both the living and the dead. Romans 14:9
 
John 5:25-29 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God:and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this:for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The scripture teaches us that God the Father is a God of the living, and not the dead. But Jesus came that he might be Lord of both the living and the dead. Romans 14:9

I believe those words but don't understand the point you are making?

The 2nd resurrection as I read in REV ( 1000 years after the resurrection of the righteous-1st res) is of the unrighteous to their final resting place in the lake of fire. The wages of sin. Of course we preach to the living that they may turn to Jesus and receive eternal life. (Our hope)

Randy
 
"But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes. Matthew 10:23 (NASB)

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Matthew 16:28 (NASB)

"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and scribes; some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city, so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. "Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. "Behold, your house is being left to you desolate! Matthew 23:34-38 (NASB)

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. Matthew 24:29-30 (NASB)

so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. Matthew 24:33-34 (NASB)

"But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36 (NASB)

It doesn't matter what some people think 2nd century Christians believed. What matters is what Jesus told the disciples and what His apostles recorded. Everything they wrote pointed directly to His return while some of them still lived; before that generation had passed.

It is incumbent upon us to understand what His words mean in that context, not twist them into something they were never intended to mean or ignore them.
 

What do you believe about Matthew 24 and its context, as to the coming of the Lord?


JLB
 
Is it to be Rome the city that destroys Jerusalem? Are the buildings of Rome to float across the Mediterranean climb out of the sea bounce through the desert and some how jump on the Temple?

Seems to me Rome is the name given to the government in charge. Looking here i see that the government called Rome was north, south, east and west of Jerusalem.

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You mean, "surrounding Jerusalem?"
 
What do you believe about Matthew 24 and its context, as to the coming of the Lord?


JLB
Well, one thing that has always puzzled me is all the warnings and laments about the particular day, the season, being pregnant or nursing, not wasting even the few minutes it would take to slip back into the house or to grab a coat........ IF one of today's missiles (or a lighting bolt or something) was going to level half the city.

And what good is it going to do anyone to run, on foot, to the mountains to hide in a city there?
 
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