Revelation Chapter 20

[John 8:32]

There is something I am confused with. When it says we will reign in the kingdom with Christ for 1000 years, isn't the kingdom they are referring too, in fact HEAVEN?? Why are we getting heaven and the new earth confused? When the righteous are reigning with Christ for the first 1000 years, Satan is still on this old earth. He is tied up but he still exists. The kingdom in which we reside HAS to be heaven!! No?

I'm a little confused about the old earth, heaven and the new earth between vs 7 and vs 8. If Satan is deceiving the nations, is he deceiving the righteous also? Why are the righteous reigning with Christ on an earth that in time, Satan will be released again??? Where and when does this new earth occur? Do we at anytime reign in Heaven with Christ? Was Heaven not meant for people, but just for Jesus? Blessings.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20&version=NKJV

Nope, we do not go to heaven, Christ comes back to the earth...

Joh 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
Joh 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.

Joh 8:20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

Now the context is that He was speaking to the general populace, but just in case you think that only applied to them...

Joh 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

This He said to the twelve at the Passover. So let's go to Rev 20 and read it...

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Here we see two things, Satan is incarcerated for 1000 years and cannot influence and deceive people and this period of time lasts for 1000 years. This is the Millenium

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

These people lived and reigned with Christ for 1000 years. Notice there is more mentioned here than just martyrs, there are those mentioned in the first part of the verse who sat on thrones and judgment is given to them. Now notice the word "and", which means in addition to. So there are two categories of people here living and reigning with Christ. Where at?

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Christ comes back to the earth, saints reign here with Him. Then is the GWTJ and then Hell Fire. After that, in chpater 21, the Father comes to earth and brings New Jerusalem with Him. We do not go to heaven, God comes to the earth.

 

[Guest]

Why would Christ come from heaven with all the saints to earth and resurrect the dead and "catch up" those who are alive and remain, only to make a U-Turn and go back to heaven.

Hmm, timeline confusion sets it. Let me try to simplify, 1st/Rapture - 2nd/Seven year tribulation - 3rd/1000 year millennium reign with Christ - 4th/Satan is released and deceives nations - 5th/Final Judgement - Where do you think Jesus comes, stays and reigns on earth for good? 1,2,3,4 or 5?

 

[Guest]

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Christ comes back to the earth, saints reign here with Him. Then is the GWTJ and then Hell Fire. After that, in chpater 21, the Father comes to earth and brings New Jerusalem with Him. We do not go to heaven, God comes to the earth.

Does Revelation 5:10 confirm the old earth or the new renewed earth that is not defiled with sin. So what you're saying is that we reign on the old earth a thousand years with Christ in a sin nature/fallen world? because Satan still exists on the old earth during these thousand years, right? When does Christ renew the earth for good? I guess Satan being bound up with chains is a good thing, ha.

 

[Grappler]

Hmm, timeline confusion sets it. Let me try to simplify, 1st/Rapture - 2nd/Seven year tribulation - 3rd/1000 year millennium reign with Christ - 4th/Satan is released and deceives nations - 5th/Final Judgement - Where do you think Jesus comes, stays and reigns on earth for good? 1,2,3,4 or 5?

1st Rapture is not a term found in scripture 2nd 7 year tribulation is not a term found in scripture 3rd 1000 years could be symbolic 4th only found in Revelation 5th who knows?? You have to remember urk these things are not clear. You seem to believe in some kind of pre-tribulation rapture as if it is some kind of fact but it is not even in scripture so it is in essence only a theory...as well as this exact 7 year Great Tribulation. I prefer to stick with a post-tribulation return of our Messiah. There is no pre-tribulation escape and as for an exact 7 year Great Tribulation i would rather just stick with the world is going to continue to wax worse and worse until Jesus returns and sets up his Kingdom. How can Satan be released to decieve anyone in the Kingdom unless they are not saved. And if they are not saved then how can they be allowed in the Kingdom??

 

[Guest]

1st Rapture is not a term found in scripture 2nd 7 year tribulation is not a term found in scripture 3rd 1000 years could be symbolic 4th only found in Revelation 5th who knows?? You have to remember urk these things are not clear. You seem to believe in some kind of pre-tribulation rapture as if it is some kind of fact but it is not even in scripture so it is in essence only a theory...as well as this exact 7 year Great Tribulation. I prefer to stick with a post-tribulation return of our Messiah. There is no pre-tribulation escape and as for an exact 7 year Great Tribulation i would rather just stick with the world is going to continue to wax worse and worse until Jesus returns and sets up his Kingdom. How can Satan be released to decieve anyone in the Kingdom unless they are not saved. And if they are not saved then how can they be allowed in the Kingdom??

Rapture scripture - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 // 7 year tribulation scripture - This first verse from Daniel shows that the 7 year Tribulation is initially established by the Antichrist confirming a covenant with Israel and then in the middle of the covenant he will set up the abomination of desolation. One week has been determined to be one year. How do you know that? Because in the middle of the week, the Antichrist sets up the abomination of desolation. And we already know that once the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 42 months or three and half years to go before the end. So that tells us that one week is equal to 7 years. This is how you know that the Tribulation is for a 7 year time period. http://ezinearticles.com/?7-Year-Tribulation&id=27474 - 1000 years does not mean 1000 years in earth years but it is in scripture. I'm aware Revelation is tricky business, so i'm not gonna act like a bible professer master dude.

I must say though, when we are resurrected to reign with Christ while Satan is in chains will be pretty nice, no temptations!!

 

[jasoncran]

lovely. if we that are save reigned with Christ. then lets take that literally. how many of us will die being beheaded? denying the mark? etc? next if theres a reinstution of the torah and blood's worth retracted do tell.

only the saved are in the first resurrection.

 

[JLB]

Rapture scripture - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 // 7 year tribulation scripture - This first verse from Daniel shows that the 7 year Tribulation is initially established by the Antichrist confirming a covenant with Israel and then in the middle of the covenant he will set up the abomination of desolation. One week has been determined to be one year. How do you know that? Because in the middle of the week, the Antichrist sets up the abomination of desolation. And we already know that once the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 42 months or three and half years to go before the end. So that tells us that one week is equal to 7 years. This is how you know that the Tribulation is for a 7 year time period. http://ezinearticles.com/?7-Year-Tribulation&id=27474 - 1000 years does not mean 1000 years in earth years but it is in scripture. I'm aware Revelation is tricky business, so i'm not gonna act like a bible professer master dude.

I must say though, when we are resurrected to reign with Christ while Satan is in chains will be pretty nice, no temptations!!

Thats funny. You state your opinion, such as Rapture scripture, then put a scripture "tag" next to it as if that validates what you say.


13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.


Since when is the Day of the Lord "before" the Tribulation.

as Paul wrote in his letter to the Thessalonians -

For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night.

The event that he described in the verse's you quoted 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, describes the Day of the Lord, as all you pre-trib rapture guys teach, it is when Jesus comes "with" His church after the tribulation, as it is written -

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 4:14


By the way, the tribulation is 3 1/2 years, not 7 Years..


JLB

 

[Grappler]

Rapture scripture - 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 // 7 year tribulation scripture - This first verse from Daniel shows that the 7 year Tribulation is initially established by the Antichrist confirming a covenant with Israel and then in the middle of the covenant he will set up the abomination of desolation. One week has been determined to be one year. How do you know that? Because in the middle of the week, the Antichrist sets up the abomination of desolation. And we already know that once the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 42 months or three and half years to go before the end. So that tells us that one week is equal to 7 years. This is how you know that the Tribulation is for a 7 year time period. http://ezinearticles.com/?7-Year-Tribulation&id=27474 - 1000 years does not mean 1000 years in earth years but it is in scripture. I'm aware Revelation is tricky business, so i'm not gonna act like a bible professer master dude.

I must say though, when we are resurrected to reign with Christ while Satan is in chains will be pretty nice, no temptations!!

I didn't see the word rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17...could you show me? How do you know that Daniel's prophecies were not fullfilled when Antioch Epiphanies sacrificed a pig in the temple or how about some of Daniel's prophecies being fullfilled when Titus destroyed the temple? You got a big big gap between the 69th and 70th week.lol I mean you say a week represents a year then there is suddenly 2000+ years not accounted for and then suddenly we are going to go back to a week=a year?? I am not so sure about that one. So you agree that 1000 years could be symbolic?

 

[Guest]

I didn't see the word rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17...could you show me? How do you know that Daniel's prophecies were not fullfilled when Antioch Epiphanies sacrificed a pig in the temple or how about some of Daniel's prophecies being fullfilled when Titus destroyed the temple? You got a big big gap between the 69th and 70th week.lol I mean you say a week represents a year then there is suddenly 2000+ years not accounted for and then suddenly we are going to go back to a week=a year?? I am not so sure about that one. So you agree that 1000 years could be symbolic?

1 Thessalonians 4:17 says being caught up in the air, isn't that the same as rapture? Yes one week has been determined to be one year. Not a year as in 2013 to 2014. I don't think they are talking about it that way, because time is working in different ways. The math is very complex, I would have to study scripture and sit down and work it out. I am learning, so be patient. 1000 years could be symbolic absolutly, because Jesus works outside of time. Blessings Grappler.

Thats funny. You state your opinion, such as Rapture scripture, then put a scripture "tag" next to it as if that validates what you say.

Hey now, I'm learning too. Revelation is easily one of the most complex books in the bible. I never claimed I know it all, lol. Be nice brother. Blessings.

 

[Grappler]

1 Thessalonians 4:17 says being caught up in the air, isn't that the same as rapture? Yes one week has been determined to be one year. Not a year as in 2013 to 2014. I don't think they are talking about it that way, because time is working in different ways. The math is very complex, I would have to study scripture and sit down and work it out. I am learning, so be patient. 1000 years could be symbolic absolutly, because Jesus works outside of time. Blessings Grappler.



Hey now, I'm learning too. Revelation is easily one of the most complex books in the bible. I never claimed I know it all, lol. Be nice brother. Blessings.

Yes i would agree that being caught up is the same as rapture but as for some kind of pre-tribulation rapture...no i can't agree...but no big deal.

 

[JLB]

1 Thessalonians 4:17 says being caught up in the air, isn't that the same as rapture? Yes one week has been determined to be one year. Not a year as in 2013 to 2014. I don't think they are talking about it that way, because time is working in different ways. The math is very complex, I would have to study scripture and sit down and work it out. I am learning, so be patient. 1000 years could be symbolic absolutly, because Jesus works outside of time. Blessings Grappler.



Hey now, I'm learning too. Revelation is easily one of the most complex books in the bible. I never claimed I know it all, lol. Be nice brother. Blessings.

Brother, at the moment we are not discussing Revelation. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:4 should be taken in context with Matthew 24 & 25 as a good foundation.

Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4, absolutely yes.

Before the tribulation? Lets discuss where you see the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4 as being "before" the tribulation.

Yes one week has been determined to be one year.

1 week is determined to be 7 years, not 1 year. Let's discuss that too.


JLB

 

[Ryan]

Do these 2 verses sound almost exact? To me it seems this being caught up in the air is when the Two Witnesses are risen as well.

Revelation 11:11-12 But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.†Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

???

 

[Guest]

Brother, at the moment we are not discussing Revelation. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:4 should be taken in context with Matthew 24 & 25 as a good foundation.

Rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4, absolutely yes.

Before the tribulation? Lets discuss where you see the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4 as being "before" the tribulation.

1 week is determined to be 7 years, not 1 year. Let's discuss that too.


JLB

I see the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - I never claimed when Jesus is coming. Nobody knows. Regarding the mathematics in scripture that talks about weeks and years, I would have to sit down and work it out, which I will soon. Blessings.

Yes i would agree that being caught up is the same as rapture but as for some kind of pre-tribulation rapture...no i can't agree...but no big deal.

Well that's the mystery. Nobody knows when Jesus is coming. Blessings.

 

[JLB]

I see the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - I never claimed when Jesus is coming. Nobody knows. Regarding the mathematics in scripture that talks about weeks and years, I would have to sit down and work it out, which I will soon. Blessings.



Well that's the mystery. Nobody knows when Jesus is coming. Blessings.

That's not what Paul taught his people.

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

and again -

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5

Jesus gave us signs leading up to His coming and so did Paul.

As far as setting a date, No.

But we certainly won't be suprised when He comes because we have been given so many clear signs.

Especially -

15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21

Which brings us to Daniel.

Are we in agreement so far?


JLB

 

[Grappler]

I see the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - I never claimed when Jesus is coming. Nobody knows. Regarding the mathematics in scripture that talks about weeks and years, I would have to sit down and work it out, which I will soon. Blessings.



Well that's the mystery. Nobody knows when Jesus is coming. Blessings.

He won't come back anytime soon at least the next few years. Urk he told us when he was going to return...Matthew 24 Jesus said he was coming back AFTER the tribulation of the latter days...so it will be a while longer but i think probably in my life time.

 

[Guest]

That's not what Paul taught his people.

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

and again -

1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 2 Thessalonians 2:1-5

Jesus gave us signs leading up to His coming and so did Paul.

As far as setting a date, No.

But we certainly won't be suprised when He comes because we have been given so many clear signs.

Especially -

15 "Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Matthew 24:15,21

Which brings us to Daniel.

Are we in agreement so far?


JLB

Yes I agree with you that he will come like a thief in the night. My personal belief of the second coming of Christ is that, our generation will die off first way before even the rapture comes. What is your belief of when he will come? What are these signs that you speak of, are we not seeing the signs today? Natural disasters, famine, lovers of themselves, meteors hitting Russia, war with Iran, one world government, knowledge increasing with technology etc..

In general, I was referring to the math that takes places in the tribulation, 3 1/2 years x 2 = 7 years // 42 months, 1290 days which is three and half years plus 13 days. A time = 1 year. Times = 2 years. Half a time = half a year. Total comes to three and half years. I was simply trying to prove that the tribulation is 7 years. Blessings. http://ezinearticles.com/?7-Year-Tribulation&id=27474

Interesting site I found, right before the return of Christ this will happen..
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-end-time.html

Kings of East Threaten, then Move - China, today, is a growing economic and military behemoth. It exerts hegemony over its neighbors of the Orient. The Bible predicts a day during the tribulation when the "kings of the east" will march across the dried-up Euphrates River to do battle at Armageddon.This juggernaut will consist of 200 million troops, all, prophecy seems to indicate, demon possessed, while they cross the area of the Euphrates. (Read Revelation, Chapters 9 and 16.) All Meet at Armageddon - The kings of the east march toward a rendezvous with all other nations of the world. God says this about this meeting: "For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land" (Joel 3: 10-2). (Also, read Rev. 16:16, and Rev. 19: 17-18.

I'm just tossing stuff out there to receive replies and correct what the Holy Spirit is bringing to me. These sites could be wrong/could be right. It is part of quest to search for truth. Blessings.

 

[JLB]

Yes I agree with you that he will come like a thief in the night. My personal belief of the second coming of Christ is that, our generation will die off first way before even the rapture comes. What is your belief of when he will come? What are these signs that you speak of, are we not seeing the signs today? Natural disasters, famine, lovers of themselves, meteors hitting Russia, war with Iran, one world government, knowledge increasing with technology etc..

In general, I was referring to the math that takes places in the tribulation, 3 1/2 years x 2 = 7 years // 42 months, 1290 days which is three and half years plus 13 days. A time = 1 year. Times = 2 years. Half a time = half a year. Total comes to three and half years. I was simply trying to prove that the tribulation is 7 years. Blessings. http://ezinearticles.com/?7-Year-Tribulation&id=27474

Interesting site I found, right before the return of Christ this will happen..
http://www.raptureready.com/rr-end-time.html

Kings of East Threaten, then Move - China, today, is a growing economic and military behemoth. It exerts hegemony over its neighbors of the Orient. The Bible predicts a day during the tribulation when the "kings of the east" will march across the dried-up Euphrates River to do battle at Armageddon.This juggernaut will consist of 200 million troops, all, prophecy seems to indicate, demon possessed, while they cross the area of the Euphrates. (Read Revelation, Chapters 9 and 16.) All Meet at Armageddon - The kings of the east march toward a rendezvous with all other nations of the world. God says this about this meeting: "For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land" (Joel 3: 10-2). (Also, read Rev. 16:16, and Rev. 19: 17-18.

I'm just tossing stuff out there to receive replies and correct what the Holy Spirit is bringing to me. These sites could be wrong/could be right. It is part of quest to search for truth. Blessings.

Urk, could we please stay with one subject and concept at a time.

I know there is alot of info out there and it can be overwhelming.

Concerning your statement - Yes I agree with you that he will come like a thief in the night.

I did not say He will come as a thief, but rather quite the opposite.

4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

He will not come as a thief in the night for me as well as those who know His word with the warnings and the signs that precede His coming.

I want to be very clear on this important point.

Jesus Christ wil not come as a thief in the night for those that study the scriptures and are watching for the signs He gave us.


JLB

 

[Guest]

Jesus Christ wil not come as a thief in the night for those that study the scriptures and are watching for the signs He gave us.

Now you changed your mind and you think he is not coming like a thief in the night? It's obvious he will 1 Thessalonians 5:2 - What are you trying to get across man? I've already known this for some time now. Is that what you were trying to ask me, if I knew or not, if I knew the signs? Is the 'thief in the night' referring to rapture or the second coming of Christ? Because the rapture and the second coming are two different events. Jesus giving us warning in scripture is completely different than Jesus himself actually coming!

 

[lowrab777]

here is alot to be told about these appointed times in prophecy, if you guys were aware that the appointed festivals of the O/T were in fact rehersing the events in sequence as the are to occur there are the first three festivals which were rehearsed by the jews and have already been fulfilled they where( passover - unleavened bread - and pentecost )
the second set of fall festivals were also rehearsed by the jews and they are representative of the last three prophetic events they are ( feast of trumpets - the day of atonement - and the feast of tabernacles/sukkot ) and the eighth day of the feast of tabernacles is symbolic of the end of the millennium/ the beginning of the end of time these last festivals have not been fullfilled yet but many of the profits spoke of them I love to read through the book Joel it is also hard pin down like REV but it gives an interesting view of the the last festivals as they take place in their proper sequence. the time during the millennial thousand year reign is also spoken of by Zacheria in the whole thirteenth chapter. in the fourteenth chapter he speakes of the final battle in which he will destroy satan and his armies forever, after that you see that in the new heaven and the new earth we are all coming up year after year to keep the feast of tabernacles

 

[lowrab777]

I believe that the holy days of old are extreemly significant for Christians today. And I feel that paul was referring to the knowledge of this sequence of events when he spoke of us not being in darkness that it should take us like a thief. It is interesting that Jesus and the early Christian church kept remeberance of and observed these festivals it wasnt until the roman catholic empire headed by constanteen began to pursectute people for keeping these festivals because they were of the Christ killing Jews. As they are most commonly labled today the festivals of the Jews. It is an interesting statement to in LEV
Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
and again here in EZE
Eze 44:24 And in a controversy they shall stand to judge; according to mine ordinances shall they judge it: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all my appointed feasts; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.