Section 1 - Behavior

[GodsGrace]

THIS DRAFT HAS BEEN UPDATED.
PLEASE SEE DRAFT THREE.1 AT POST NO. 53
DEC 1, 2018

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TERMS OF SERVICE

(TOS)​

Christianforums.net aspires to provide a place where Christians can fellowship for encouragement, inspiration, and strength to help build each other up and grow in our walk of faith through honest and open discussion, study, reflection, and prayer.




Our aim is to speak freely about theology and biblical concepts and the understanding of scripture but in an atmosphere of mutual respect and love for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Our forum is open to all those who would desire to have discussions that would follow our aspirations.



John 13:35

“By this shall all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Luke 6:31

“And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.”


Very few rules are required for those that understand our goal and the aim of this forum. Here are some:


° Members must be at least 13 years of age.

° English is the acceptable language, since most persons in other
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°As a member of ChristianForums.net, you agree to abide by the Terms of Service, and you stipulate that you understand the disciplinary process in response to violations of the ToS

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BEHAVIOR

1. 
   
   • Give other members the respect you would have them give to you.

1.1 Address issues/ideas, not the person


1.2 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not post your opinion about their faith.


1.3 Always tag a member that you mention in any thread.



1.4 Foul language, explicit material and violent material is prohibited
unless it relates to a news article.


1.5 No trolling.

 

[GodsGrace]

Comments on the above would be appreciated by all members of this forum...whoever might be interested.

StoveBolts
questdriven
Papa Zoom
JohnDB
Razeontherock
Mike
WIP
Truthfrees

Sorry if I missed a mod !

 

[JLB]

[Draft Three

Word

Nov 30, 2018]



TERMS OF SERVICE

(TOS)​

Christianforums.net aspires to provide a place where Christians can fellowship for encouragement, inspiration, and strength to help build each other up and grow in our walk of faith through honest and open discussion, study, reflection, and prayer.




Our aim is to speak freely about theology and biblical concepts and the understanding of scripture but in an atmosphere of mutual respect and love for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Our forum is open to all those who would desire to have discussions that would follow our aspirations.



John 13:35

“By this shall all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Luke 6:31

“And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.”


Very few rules are required for those that understand our goal and the aim of this forum. Here are some:


° Members must be at least 13 years of age.

° English is the acceptable language, since most persons in other
countries speak English.

°As a member of ChristianForums.net, you agree to abide by the Terms of Service, and you stipulate that you understand the disciplinary process in response to violations of the ToS

To contact a member of the staff:

° Click on their name

° Click on their name again

° Start a Conversation











BEHAVIOR

1. 
   
   • Give other members the respect you would have them give to you.

1.1 Address issues/ideas, not the person


1.2 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not post your opinion about their faith.


1.3 Always tag a member that you mention in any thread.



1.4 Foul language, explicit material and violent material is prohibited
unless it relates to a news article.


1.5 No trolling.

Looks good.


Thank you for your work.


JLB



PS - It looks like you even spelled some of the words correctly.

 

[JLB]

[Draft Three

Word

Nov 30, 2018]



TERMS OF SERVICE

(TOS)​

Christianforums.net aspires to provide a place where Christians can fellowship for encouragement, inspiration, and strength to help build each other up and grow in our walk of faith through honest and open discussion, study, reflection, and prayer.




Our aim is to speak freely about theology and biblical concepts and the understanding of scripture but in an atmosphere of mutual respect and love for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Our forum is open to all those who would desire to have discussions that would follow our aspirations.



John 13:35

“By this shall all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Luke 6:31

“And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.”


Very few rules are required for those that understand our goal and the aim of this forum. Here are some:


° Members must be at least 13 years of age.

° English is the acceptable language, since most persons in other
countries speak English.

°As a member of ChristianForums.net, you agree to abide by the Terms of Service, and you stipulate that you understand the disciplinary process in response to violations of the ToS

To contact a member of the staff:

° Click on their name

° Click on their name again

° Start a Conversation











BEHAVIOR

1. 
   
   • Give other members the respect you would have them give to you.

1.1 Address issues/ideas, not the person


1.2 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not post your opinion about their faith.


1.3 Always tag a member that you mention in any thread.



1.4 Foul language, explicit material and violent material is prohibited
unless it relates to a news article.


1.5 No trolling.

Section 2 should deal with logical fallacy.


That would cut out alot of problems with 1.1.



JLB

 

[Truthfrees]

[Draft Three

Word

Nov 30, 2018]



TERMS OF SERVICE

(TOS)​

Christianforums.net aspires to provide a place where Christians can fellowship for encouragement, inspiration, and strength to help build each other up and grow in our walk of faith through honest and open discussion, study, reflection, and prayer.




Our aim is to speak freely about theology and biblical concepts and the understanding of scripture but in an atmosphere of mutual respect and love for our brothers and sisters in Christ. Our forum is open to all those who would desire to have discussions that would follow our aspirations.


John 13:35

“By this shall all men know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


Luke 6:31

“And just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way.”


Very few rules are required for those that understand our goal and the aim of this forum. Here are some:


° Members must be at least 13 years of age.

° English is the acceptable language, since most persons in other
countries speak English.

°As a member of ChristianForums.net, you agree to abide by the Terms of Service, and you stipulate that you understand the disciplinary process in response to violations of the ToS

To contact a member of the staff:

° Click on their name

° Click on their name again

° Start a Conversation



BEHAVIOR

1. 
   
   • Give other members the respect you would have them give to you.

1.1 Address issues/ideas, not the person


1.2 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not post your opinion about their faith.


1.3 Always tag a member that you mention in any thread.



1.4 Foul language, explicit material and violent material is prohibited
unless it relates to a news article.


1.5 No trolling.

this is awesome - thank you so much

one small addition in red to 1.2 and 1.5 - what do you think?

1.2 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not post your opinion about another member, their denomination, or the veracity of their faith.

1.5 No trolling. (could this be clarified a little more? - something like: "Make your point but don't try to force others to accept your point.")

 

[GodsGrace]

this is awesome - thank you so much

one small addition in red to 1.2 and 1.5 - what do you think?

1.2 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not post your opinion about another member, their denomination, or the veracity of their faith.

1.5 No trolling. (could this be clarified a little more? - something like: "Make your point but don't try to force others to accept your point.")

Yes. 1.2 is good; here's how it would read:
Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state your opinion about that member's denomination or the veracity of their faith.

BUT... Stating my opinion about another's denomination is pretty broad. What if I said to a member: I don't agree with the doctrine of purgatory...Is THAT an opinion of their denomination?? I don't think so, but do YOU? (you're the one who would have to make the judgement in case of a report).

As to no. 1.5
We all try to, in a way, "force" others to accept our point. You must mean something else...?

(But I have no problem with the wording).

 

[GodsGrace]

Section 2 should deal with logical fallacy.


That would cut out alot of problems with 1.1.



JLB

Could you please expound on this...
Maybe give some examples.

Explain a logical fallacy to me in 10 words.

 

[JohnDB]

Yes. 1.2 is good; here's how it would read:
Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state your opinion about that member's denomination or the veracity of their faith.

BUT... Stating my opinion about another's denomination is pretty broad. What if I said to a member: I don't agree with the doctrine of purgatory...Is THAT an opinion of their denomination?? I don't think so, but do YOU? (you're the one who would have to make the judgement in case of a report).

As to no. 1.5
We all try to, in a way, "force" others to accept our point. You must mean something else...?

(But I have no problem with the wording).

I'm thinking that "Flame baiting" is going to need to be added.

It's where a person says something that will entice a person to answer in anger but yet follows the rules at the same time.

IE derogatory remarks about the Pope (or past Popes usually draws ire from Catholics but isn't derogatory remarks to another person. But the derogatory remarks are posted solely to enrage the other member.

 

[Truthfrees]

Yes. 1.2 is good; here's how it would read:
Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state your opinion about that member's denomination or the veracity of their faith.

BUT... Stating my opinion about another's denomination is pretty broad. What if I said to a member: I don't agree with the doctrine of purgatory...Is THAT an opinion of their denomination?? I don't think so, but do YOU? (you're the one who would have to make the judgement in case of a report).

i agree with you

i don't agree with the doctrine of purgatory is discussing a doctrine not a denomination

 

[Truthfrees]

Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state your opinion about that member's denomination or the veracity of their faith.

I'm thinking that "Flame baiting" is going to need to be added.

It's where a person says something that will entice a person to answer in anger but yet follows the rules at the same time.

IE derogatory remarks about the Pope (or past Popes usually draws ire from Catholics but isn't derogatory remarks to another person. But the derogatory remarks are posted solely to enrage the other member.

then maybe it could read something like

Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state your opinion about that member's denomination / leaders/founders or the veracity of their faith.

 

[Truthfrees]

As to no. 1.5
We all try to, in a way, "force" others to accept our point. You must mean something else...?

(But I have no problem with the wording).

in the context of trolling i was thinking how people harangue others trying to aggressively force them to accept their pov - rather than PRESENTING their opinion and reasons for their opinion - and allowing everyone to believe what they want

it's ok to go back and forth endlessly PRESENTING your point - that is the key to an in depth discussion - the attitude is seek to understand others and to be understood

but the attitude of forcing another to ACCEPT/AGREE WITH your point is of the same ilk as trying to win a debate - it's a contest with a winner and a loser - often those who want to force another to change their mind are impatient and consider the other guy's pov inferior to their own -

imo we should think of other's opinions as different than our own - and what is better for me may not be better for the other guy - for example i love keeping Torah but i realize this may not be good for others - so i can present it as something i love - but i shouldn't push Torah observance as something everyone should do -

most debatable subjects are opinion/pov - they are not FAITH ESSENTIALS that every christian should believe - we don't often fight over faith essentials - most heated discussions/debates/offenses occur over non-essential povs

but if our tos includes faith essentials we won't have to debate them either - we would simply point out the reasons why they are scriptural faith essentials

 

[JohnDB]

then maybe it could read something like

Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state your opinion about that member's denomination / leaders/founders or the veracity of their faith.

The Pope example is just an example...a flame baiting rule is not necessarily a theological discussion...it covers everything including spanking, bathing suits, immunization, and anything that could be controversial.
It's more general and covers more ground...which is what a TOS is supposed to do. We can place more forum focused rules inside of a forum if needed for clarifying what the TOS stands for.

A TOS is for every forum...not just theological discussion forums. And focusing on one forum is counter productive to a flexible TOS.
I realize that we won't have perfection but we can get closer.

 

[JLB]

but if our tos includes faith essentials we won't have to debate them either

Wouldn’t that be SOF includes faith essential’s?


Example:

• We hold true that a person must believe in Christ Jesus to be saved.

Believe it or not, there is a lot being said in the above statement.


Those who cling to Universal Reconciliation or Universalism, will fight tooth and nail against it.



In addition, I have found that OSAS believers will also fight against the fact that a person who once believes, doesn’t have to continue believe to be saved. IOW they teach that once a person believes the Gospel, later can serve other gods or become an atheist and still be saved, which is really Universalism in disguise.


Not trying to start a debate, just making a point from thousands of discussions with folks about this subject on many different Forums.


Note: Not all who believe in OSAS believe this way, some believe that if a person believes and is baptized and is faithful to God for years, then serves other gods, then they were never saved to begin with.

There are other variations of this but I gave these examples to show how the above mentioned statement covers more ground than people may realize.



JLB

 

[Truthfrees]

Wouldn’t that be SOF includes faith essential’s?


Example:

• We hold true that a person must believe in Christ Jesus to be saved.

Believe it or not, there is a lot being said in the above statement.


Those who cling to Universal Reconciliation or Universalism, will fight tooth and nail against it.



In addition, I have found that OSAS will also fight against the fact that a person who once believes, doesn’t have to continue believe to be saved. IOW they teach that once a person believes the Gospel, later can serve other gods or become an atheist and still be saved, which is really Universalism in disguise.


Not trying to start a debate, just making a point from thousands of discussions with folks about this subject on many different Forums.


Note: Not all who believe in OSAS believe this way, some believe that if a person believes and is baptized and is faithful to God for years, then serves other gods, then they were never saved to begin with.

There are other variations of this but I gave these examples to show how the above mentioned statement covers more ground than people may realize.



JLB

amen to all you said

 

[JLB]

Could you please expound on this...
Maybe give some examples.

Explain a logical fallacy to me in 10 words.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/


A logical fallacy is a flaw in reasoning. Logical fallacies are like tricks or illusions of thought, and they're often very sneakily used by politicians ...



JLB

 

[JohnDB]

We want to stay very general in a TOS.

Logical fallacies are going to be very difficult to nail down... especially when the person proving that the other person is committing one is creating one of their own in the process.

A TOS is supposed to be very very general... general enough for EVERY forum... including photography.

Where y'all are talking about great rules they aren't talking about attitudes and the spirit of the membership.
These rules that y'all are talking about belong in a forum rules section and not a TOS. Flame baiting barely makes it into a TOS...and only because of the attitude that goes with it. But often it goes into another section.

We can even limit universal reconciliation and other nonsense theologies out of forum discussions but it belongs in another section and not this one.

 

[JLB]

certainly no images showing external anatomy body parts... things that creates ideas of the mind.. sexual wise ..no foul language.. etc

?

I have never witnessed any such behavior on this site.


Have you?



JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

We want to stay very general in a TOS.

Logical fallacies are going to be very difficult to nail down... especially when the person proving that the other person is committing one is creating one of their own in the process.

A TOS is supposed to be very very general... general enough for EVERY forum... including photography.

Where y'all are talking about great rules they aren't talking about attitudes and the spirit of the membership.
These rules that y'all are talking about belong in a forum rules section and not a TOS. Flame baiting barely makes it into a TOS...and only because of the attitude that goes with it. But often it goes into another section.

We can even limit universal reconciliation and other nonsense theologies out of forum discussions but it belongs in another section and not this one.

I think I know how to add JLB's idea in one sentence.
we'll see...

 

[GodsGrace]

how about just making a basic set of rules ..i mean honestly it shouldn't be that hard you want no trolling define with example what trolling is no baiting define by example what baiting is.. certainly no images showing external anatomy body parts... things that creates ideas of the mind.. sexual wise ..no foul language.. etc

If we have to explain everything, we'll be back to 8 pages of rules.
I think the type of people that would fit in won't be posting unacceptable language or images. I believe all the messages on the opening home page and the beginning of the TOS makes it pretty clear what would not be acceptable.

Some won't understand anyway...no matter HOW MUCH is posted under rules; so some stuff has to be taken care of as we go.

JohnDB is right...not everything could be listed.

 

[GodsGrace]

We want to stay very general in a TOS.

Logical fallacies are going to be very difficult to nail down... especially when the person proving that the other person is committing one is creating one of their own in the process.

A TOS is supposed to be very very general... general enough for EVERY forum... including photography.

Where y'all are talking about great rules they aren't talking about attitudes and the spirit of the membership.
These rules that y'all are talking about belong in a forum rules section and not a TOS. Flame baiting barely makes it into a TOS...and only because of the attitude that goes with it. But often it goes into another section.

We can even limit universal reconciliation and other nonsense theologies out of forum discussions but it belongs in another section and not this one.

John, How is universal reconciliation a nonsense theology if there are churches that believe this that call themselves Christian?
We can't want only those that agree with OUR theology...
Am I wrong?

There are nonsense theologies..you should see some weird stuff I hear...but it's stuff persons come up with on their own and not something a CHURCH teaches.

This will be considered in the SOF...just thinking out loud. I'm not here to create policy -- just to get everything together.