Section 1 - Behavior

[ezra]

good point - grace is another teaching that can either be taught right or abused/used - i suppose that is true of any doctrine

yes your so right i love this scripture it has a powerful impact where sin abound Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded," grace " did much more abound:

 

[JLB]

osas is a good teaching

Really?

osas is a good teaching provided it is taught right to many use it and abuse.. there should be a respect for those who believe and live it.

All this time you have claimed you don’t believe OSAS, but now we see otherwise.


How does one go about teaching a doctrine right, that isn’t biblical?


JLB

 

[JLB]

good point - grace is another teaching that can either be taught right or abused/used - i suppose that is true of any doctrine

I agree with this.


The grace message has certainly been abused.



JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

osas is a good teaching provided it is taught right to many use it and abuse.. there should be a respect for those who believe and live it.

Hate to derail this important thread....
some other time.

 

[GodsGrace]

amen - well said

i'm not sure believing a doctrine can cause someone to gain or lose their salvation - i'm not sure we can do anything to gain or lose our salvation -

God said salvation comes from Him alone - and for us to remain in Him - God also said He started the good work in us and He will complete it and bring us through to the day of Jesus' return - and that we can do nothing apart from Him

what we do and believe CAN/DOES affect our peace joy health prosperity effectiveness though

people who sin or believe false doctrines have confusion pain torment physical health social relationship financial trouble for sure - i think trouble causes most of us to eventually look for a better lifestyle through God

I'm going to start an thread on this...
Right now...
theology

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

1.1 Always tag a member that you mention in any thread. (@ plus name)

I've always wondered how people tagged others. So thanks for putting this in the TOS for how to do it.

Just to make sure I've got it I'm going to test it here.

Thanks StoveBolts

 

[ezra]

Really?



All this time you have claimed you don’t believe OSAS, but now we see otherwise.


How does one go about teaching a doctrine right, that isn’t biblical?


JLB

can you prove thus saith the LORD in scripture that your %100 correct... you dont even know what i mean by a good teaching

a doctrine right, that isn’t biblical?

you mean in your eyes they give scriptures just like you give scriptures to back your belief. here were told to promote unity find common ground .or this just for certain ones .i have took the time out to explain all this ..but as usual

you don’t believe OSAS, but now we see otherwise.

did i say i did or did i say it was a good teaching . the reason your throwing these accusations around us it goes against your personal doctrine. great job bro great job

 

[ezra]

Hate to derail this important thread....
some other time.

to late it done derailed

 

[JLB]

can you prove thus saith the LORD in scripture that your %100 correct... you dont even know what i mean by a good teaching you mean in your eyes they give scriptures just like you give scriptures to back your belief. here were told to promote unity find common ground .or this just for certain ones .i have took the time out to explain all this ..but as usual
did i say i did or did i say it was a good teaching . the reason your throwing these accusations around us it goes against your personal doctrine. great job bro great job

If you want to discuss OSAS, please start a thread and share what you believe.



JLB

 

[ezra]

If you want to discuss OSAS, please start a thread and share what you believe.



JLB

you brought it up not me i posted many times on it yet you still fail to understand my point. its better we simply do not correspond in post .........happy trails

 

[JLB]

you brought it up not me i posted many times on it yet you still fail to understand my point. its better we simply do not correspond in post .........happy trails

You brought up the subject, and now once again, when I ask to discuss in a thread dedicated to that subject, you want to dodge and hide.

This is your MO.


When you are ready to be open and honest and discuss your perspective concerning OSAS, with supporting scripture, in which everyone is able to bring their relevant thoughts to the discussion, then let me know.


Right now, if you have some things to add to this thread about behavior, then please do so.



JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

JLB

Hi,
Wasn't sure where to post this.
Maybe you could start a thread on the definition of biblical words? Under this TOS umbrella?

I believe we're all done with StoveBolts work,,,so maybe we could get started with your definitions?

Maybe the mods should be tagged?

 

[Tessa]

No ideas or suggestions for you all. I would just like to say that the way you have all been interacti.g with each other has been very impressive and an excellent example for the Vision of the forum. You are all working really hard on it too. God Bless you all.

 

[ezra]

You brought up the subject, and now once again, when I ask to discuss in a thread dedicated to that subject, you want to dodge and hide.

This is your MO.

what is your MO questioning any thing you dont agree with . i have started a thread twice ..i have explained osas /eternal security and it is NOT a reason to practice or live in sin everyday of your life .. facts is we are only saved once after that we are to repent ----------BIBLE no i am not dodging and hiding from you on any subject . i am simply avoiding a heated exchange . lets face we dont agree with each other . if the admin wanted to allow a full blown discussion with out boundaries i am game and more than happy to oblige . . i would rather keep it to a civil discussion.. i have said my peace

 

[GodsGrace]

what is your MO questioning any thing you dont agree with . i have started a thread twice ..i have explained osas /eternal security and it is NOT a reason to practice or live in sin everyday of your life .. facts is we are only saved once after that we are to repent ----------BIBLE no i am not dodging and hiding from you on any subject . i am simply avoiding a heated exchange . lets face we dont agree with each other . if the admin wanted to allow a full blown discussion with out boundaries i am game and more than happy to oblige . . i would rather keep it to a civil discussion.. i have said my peace

Hi Ezra,

You know what I'm going to do from now on?
I'm going to copy and paste all the posts from persons that say that we could do whatever we want to because we're saved no matter what.

I'm sorry I didn't think of this before.
I know that most persons that believe in OSAS are good people and desire to serve God...but not all are and this is why I think this is a dangerous teaching....

Besides the fact that nowhere in scripture does it state this!
We only THINK it does because we're being brainwashed by all these modern notions by persons that want to fill up churches by making Christianity seem very easy --- this is why it's called easy believism --- the preachers make it easy to believe.

If we love Jesus, it IS easy to follow in His ways (to the best of our ability)....but He does have some requirements, which get posted time after time ---- but, apparently, for some even these simple demands are too much.

Yes. I said DEMANDS.
Why?
Because God doesn't SUGGEST, as some seem to believe...
He DEMANDS.

Modern Christians hate the word demand...I get scolded for this many times.

But I don't fear God...because I trust Him.

 

[ezra]

I'm going to copy and paste all the posts from persons that say that we could do whatever we want to because we're saved no matter what.

I'm sorry I didn't think of this before.
I know that most persons that believe in OSAS are good people and desire to serve God...but not all are and this is why I think this is a dangerous teaching....

i am not a osas teacher preacher .i lean towards that teaching due to the facts we can be secure in him . as i stated we are only saved one time one time only.. we are commanded to repent. i discussed this in a meeting with a southern baptist after they figured out i committed the unpardonable sin.... a gen baptist in a southern baptist church and we was trying to grow . imo any person who professes to be saved .has no repentance/ ignores chastisement--is not saved. i lean more towards
perseverance if the saints ..those truly saved will stick with it .
but the real good news is no disrespect towards you when i say this.. but i really dont owe any one a explanation of how i believe . the Bible says he has promised us eternal life and that we can know . the gen baptist more less says we generally baptist and the atonement is for all who will be saved not a select few.
this makes about the 3rd time i have explained this, i hope those having a allergic reaction can get over it..
time after time it turns to a heated discussion . when i get fed up i say what i mean.. i appreciate the discussion ..but no i dont believe if one is saved they can do what they want after salvation and still go to heaven ..THAT IS NOT BIBLE i am like the song the the perrys sing iam saved

 

[JLB]

perseverance if the saints ..those truly saved will stick with it .

If a person is truly born again, in which they follow Jesus, and serve Him, then wander away from Him and become lost, does that mean they were never saved?



JLB

 

[JLB]

but no i dont believe if one is saved they can do what they want after salvation and still go to heaven

Great.

You are not OSAS, then.

This means you do not believe in the doctrine of eternal security.



JLB

 

[ezra]

If a person is truly born again, in which they follow Jesus, and serve Him, then wander away from Him and become lost, does that mean they were never saved?



JLB

your question you answer it . in essence what you want me to say is a yes or no .so you can counter say check mate ..i am not the judge of salvation .i we only give the message jesus said unless you repent you shall all perish
Hebrews 12:8
But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Hebrews 12:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.


we dont know the point of no return--lost God is not sitting up in heaven just waiting to turn someone into burnt toast .when they wonder away and once again WE do not know when they become lost again . this is a far as i will go with you ..your welcome to your belief..i dont condemn you for it

 

[JLB]

your question you answer it .

My answer is no.

A person who is truly born again, and belongs to Christ, can indeed wander away and become lost.


They must repent, and return to Him, or remain lost.


That’s my answer.


What’s your answer?



JLB