Hi kidron,Ok, say i ask Wondering why he is working so hard to be saved, if Jesus already saved him.
And he says, '" because i have to keep the commandments of Jesus and hold unto my faith, or i will lose my salvation".
So, i say, but you are ALREADY SAVED.... its a DONE DEAL......and God does not require a Part II to the finished work of Christ that has redeemed you already..
Then Wondering says....."yes, i know im already saved, but NOW I HAVE TO DO DO DO DO DO, to keep it".
Kidron says....."face palm".
So, that is the endless loop that you find yourself dealing with when someone says they know they ARE SAVED, but then they say they have to do do do do do do works works works commandments commandments to keep it.
I thought it was a unique way of saying...forever.Not sure if anyone else caught this of what Kidron said in his OP, but this is what was said by him: "From the moment of conversion, 2 things happen and continue happening for you, that last for as long as God lives"............. Kidron, do you really believe God will die someday?
It seems to me that you're saying that you and all believers are indwelt by devils. Is that correct?There is no scripture that shows that the flesh itself is evil. The flesh is against the Spirit and contrary to the Spirit PRECISELY because temptations, lusts and deceptions thereIN, withIN, are internal and are of our adversary.
That's also why the notion of "excusing our whole self" in the Name of Jesus is entirely futile, which is what most of the OSAS crowd tries vainly to do.
Though I too adhere to OSAS, I will never extend the Grace and Mercy of God in Christ to the evil present with me. I know for a fact that didn't happen. I also know that "works" are not going to change the conclusion either BUT they are a fantastic way to TORTURE our adversary, which is WHY I engage in "good works." It drives the devils crazy.
You have added the idea of then being in heaven.My dog of ten years also dies about 3 weeks ago. We do miss those animals.
But will they be in heaven? I'd like to think so...but is there any biblical support?
I believe the tempter tempts internally, deceives internally, blinds people to the Gospel internally and steals the Word from people's hearts internally and is directly connected to every sin. 1 Thes. 3:5, Rev. 3:9, Acts 26:18, Romans 11:8, 2 Cor. 4:4, Mark 4:15 (and all the other seed parables), 1 John 3:8 for quick scriptural references on every count. We "battle" enemies unseen, the devil. Eph. 6:11-12. Not flesh and blood.It seems to me that you're saying that you and all believers are indwelt by devils. Is that correct?
-Never the less, those who practice the works of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God.
-Everything that you write is absolutely right Brother, except the sinless part. For a few split seconds after being born again by the power of God and His Christ, one is sinless. .
23 And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve the Lord Christ. 25 But he who does wrong will be repaid for what he has done, and there is no partiality. Colossians 3:23-24-
A born again Christian has ALREADY Inherited the Kingdom of God.
If you continue to believe, which is to say, if you abide or remain in Him.YOU ARE ALREADY THERE, "IN CHRIST', If you are SAVED.
-23 And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord
Another post with no scripture.-
Listen JBL, we GET that you have a "do stuff yourself" to be "saved" gospel.
However, God's gospel is a Blood Atonement that Jesus did for us.
So, those 2 dont connect., and you might want to consider this before you post more "works to be saved, works to stay saved", theology that runs counter to the Grace of God.
Did I write these words?JLB,
You are teaching religion in place of the Blood Atonement.
Its all you do.,nearly every post.
>> Religion is man's effort to save himself, to reach God by his EFFORT, and to try to become like God through works- deeds.<<
That is your Gospel, and is not the Gospel of the GRACE of God.
“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46