Bible Study So, Is Science Wrong On This?

[HeIsRisen2018]

I love dinosaurs and I'm fascinated by the fact that these monstrous lizards once walked the earth. However, although I believe that science and religion can coexist, science says that humans and dinosaurs never existed together,.. but if you look in the book of Genesis it specifically states that God created in the world in seven days. I do believe that He made the animals on the fifth day and created humans on the sixth,.. so which is it?

 

[GodsGrace]

I love dinosaurs and I'm fascinated by the fact that these monstrous lizards once walked the earth. However, although I believe that science and religion can coexist, science says that humans and dinosaurs never existed together,.. but if you look in the book of Genesis it specifically states that God created in the world in seven days. I do believe that He made the animals on the fifth day and created humans on the sixth,.. so which is it?

We don't know if God created the earth in 7 days or if the number 7 signifies something.
But it's OK for you to believe that if you want to.

As to dinosaurs,,,they did not exist at the same time as man.
They came first (5th day)
Man came second (6th day).

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

We don't know if God created the earth in 7 days or if the number 7 signifies something.
But it's OK for you to believe that if you want to.

As to dinosaurs,,,they did not exist at the same time as man.
They came first (5th day)
Man came second (6th day).

So wait, then are you saying that the dinosaurs only existed for one day before they got wiped out? Talk about a major bummer. And yes we do know that God created the world in seven days because it specifically mentions each day He created what. I also believe that He used the big bang in the beginning of creation,.. but that's my own personal beliefs as I don't think there's a way to prove or disprove that theory.

 

[GodsGrace]

So wait, then are you saying that the dinosaurs only existed for one day before they got wiped out? Talk about a major bummer. And yes we do know that God created the world in seven days because it specifically mentions each day He created what. I also believe that He used the big bang in the beginning of creation,.. but that's my own personal beliefs as I don't think there's a way to prove or disprove that theory.

I agree with you regarding the Big Bang.

As to the dinosaurs,,,you brought up the problem with believing that the world was created in 7 days. (6 actually). It would mean that the dinosaurs lived one day and then died.

I believe the earth is billions of years old.
I think the universe is 14 billion years old.

 

[jasonc]

I agree with you regarding the Big Bang.

As to the dinosaurs,,,you brought up the problem with believing that the world was created in 7 days. (6 actually). It would mean that the dinosaurs lived one day and then died.

I believe the earth is billions of years old.
I think the universe is 14 billion years old.

If God used that ,

Problem proto culture of apes allegedly to man imply the ability to think ,ponder reason.

If the proto man was without a soul then what exactly was a soul.
?

Surely those early what most pondered their existence .ye eschew Calvinism but ignore the exact delimma of theistic evolutuon that God practices eugenics and also created men for simple purpose of destruction to get God something he wants .

 

[GodsGrace]

If God used that ,

if God uses WHAT?

Problem proto culture of apes allegedly to man imply the ability to think ,ponder reason.

If the proto man was without a soul then what exactly was a soul.
?

Did I bring up apes and souls?
I don't believe I did.
So I don't really know what you're referring to.

Surely those early what most pondered their existence .ye eschew Calvinism but ignore the exact delimma of theistic evolutuon that God practices eugenics and also created men for simple purpose of destruction to get God something he wants .

I haven't ever considered Theistic evolution.
I don't believe in macro evolution...no matter what.

 

[jasonc]

if God uses WHAT?


Did I bring up apes and souls?
I don't believe I did.
So I don't really know what you're referring to.


I haven't ever considered Theistic evolution.
I don't believe in macro evolution...no matter what.

Old earth creationism .

The dinosaurs were how long on the earth ?

 

[GodsGrace]

Old earth creationism .

The dinosaurs were how long on the earth ?

Don't know....but looked it up.
160 million years.

source. https://www.dynamicearth.co.uk/media/1824/geological-timeline-pack-2.pdf

 

[jasonc]

The problem is the command of Noah to eat animals ,he would have been inclined and also the prophecy about the lion shall lie down with the lamb abd be led with a child,meaning that is a restoration.God intended for us to be herbivores .not carnivores .

Lions can eat plants.

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[jasonc]

Then there's the command of Shabbat,
For in six days God created the heavens and the earth ,and on,the seventh day he rested .

If its not a literally day ,what is the length of the Shabbat ,and all feasts are based on the description of how a day is mentioned in genesis one

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I agree with you regarding the Big Bang.

As to the dinosaurs,,,you brought up the problem with believing that the world was created in 7 days. (6 actually). It would mean that the dinosaurs lived one day and then died.

I believe the earth is billions of years old.
I think the universe is 14 billion years old.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. About the dinosaur thing not the creation of the earth in seven days since I do understand that God rested on the seventh day part,.. but how can the dinosaurs have lasted for hundreds of years and not be coexisting with man if man was created directly after the animals? (As last time I checked dinosaurs were animals.)

The problem is the command of Noah to eat animals ,he would have been inclined and also the prophecy about the lion shall lie down with the lamb abd be led with a child,meaning that is a restoration.God intended for us to be herbivores .not carnivores .

Lions can eat plants.

What do lions eat? (Lions are Carnivores) | ALERT

What do lions eat in the wild? We have detailed how they hunt, animals they eat and why. Click to learn more

lionalert.org

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the dinosaur issue, but first of all I do believe that God created some of the animals with the sheer purpose of us eating them, and lions are definitely meat eaters.

 

[jasonc]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. About the dinosaur thing not the creation of the earth in seven days since I do understand that God rested on the seventh day part,.. but how can the dinosaurs have lasted for hundreds of years and not be coexisting with man if man was created directly after the animals? (As last time I checked dinosaurs were animals.)









I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the dinosaur issue, but first of all I do believe that God created some of the animals with the sheer purpose of us eating them, and lions are definitely meat eaters.

Read the link ,and omnivore isn't a carnivore ,we are omnivores.

You assume things are like today were like that in the garden.

Notice .

Of the plants though may eat all of them save the tree of life ,no animals mentioned.

Next Noah ,of the animals I shall put,the fear of man in them and you may eat them but not their blood .

Most dinosaurs were herbivores

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Read the link ,and omnivore isn't a carnivore ,we are omnivores.

You assume things are like today were like that in the garden.

Notice .

Of the plants though may eat all of them save the tree of life ,no animals mentioned.

Next Noah ,of the animals I shall put,the fear of man in them and you may eat them but not their blood .

Most dinosaurs were herbivores

You said that we were created to be herbivores and I already skimmed through the article and it didn't say anything about lions eating plants to my knowledge,.. and what does a dinosaur's diet have to do with whether or not they existed with humans?

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand. About the dinosaur thing not the creation of the earth in seven days since I do understand that God rested on the seventh day part,.. but how can the dinosaurs have lasted for hundreds of years and not be coexisting with man if man was created directly after the animals? (As last time I checked dinosaurs were animals.)

Dinosaurs lasted for about 160 thousand years...not hundreds.
By the time man came along, dinosaurs were extinct.
We not this for sure from the study of the layers of the earth (stratos).
Within each layer/strato we find different types of "animals".
Then at some point we find human remains.
When the human remains (bones) are found,,,they are much higher up than the dinosaurs.

Your problem is that you wish to believe that God created everything in 6 days.
It's OK if you wish to believe t his,,,it's called a Young Earth Creationist,,,but you'll have a difficult time proving it.

Here is an image of what I posted above:

 

[jasonc]

You said that we were created to be herbivores and I already skimmed through the article and it didn't say anything about lions eating plants to my knowledge,.. and what does a dinosaur's diet have to do with whether or not they existed with humans?

God made out the garden on herbivores,woykf you,in,heavrn kill,anf eat y our cow

 

[JohnDB]

Ok...
The creation account tells us a lot of things in a very small amount of words.
Now people have taken the word "Day" and made it to be very literal... even though the Hebrew and context of the poetry of this section doesn't support that.

It wasn't 7, 24 hour periods of time. It couldn't be. "There was evening, there was morning, the _______ day."

Now evening followed up by morning frames what we usually call "night time". In Hebrew literature and especially poetry this means that how it was done was hidden. It isn't known...and won't be unless God tells us.

A day, a year, an epoch are all the same to God. God made time and exists inside of time...if He wishes to. The Sun and moon was made on the fourth day...but dry land was made on the second day?
Obviously there are other lessons to be had other than "How to build a solar system" and since there isn't a YouTube of it all it won't make sense.

Now on day one... God made the Light...He wasn't creating photons here. (Stuff that light is made of) He was busy planning and creating the message He wanted to tell us and Man's redemption for sin. AKA Jesus.
Not even a pebble is formed, not even a drop of water is in existence but God is planning our redemption.

John says so in the first chapter of his Gospel account. That means that a flat reading of this poetry is not going to work whatsoever.

Dinosaurs could have existed easily before or during early man. We don't really know when. Carbon dating is not exactly the most accurate thing... despite the claims.

Then came the flood.
It had a drastic change in climate and topography on the Earth. Pangea was no more.

We don't know because if the literal information was more known it became lost after the languages got confused at Babylon.

 

[jasonc]

Ok...
The creation account tells us a lot of things in a very small amount of words.
Now people have taken the word "Day" and made it to be very literal... even though the Hebrew and context of the poetry of this section doesn't support that.

It wasn't 7, 24 hour periods of time. It couldn't be. "There was evening, there was morning, the _______ day."

Now evening followed up by morning frames what we usually call "night time". In Hebrew literature and especially poetry this means that how it was done was hidden. It isn't known...and won't be unless God tells us.

A day, a year, an epoch are all the same to God. God made time and exists inside of time...if He wishes to. The Sun and moon was made on the fourth day...but dry land was made on the second day?
Obviously there are other lessons to be had other than "How to build a solar system" and since there isn't a YouTube of it all it won't make sense.

Now on day one... God made the Light...He wasn't creating photons here. (Stuff that light is made of) He was busy planning and creating the message He wanted to tell us and Man's redemption for sin. AKA Jesus.
Not even a pebble is formed, not even a drop of water is in existence but God is planning our redemption.

John says so in the first chapter of his Gospel account. That means that a flat reading of this poetry is not going to work whatsoever.

Dinosaurs could have existed easily before or during early man. We don't really know when. Carbon dating is not exactly the most accurate thing... despite the claims.

Then came the flood.
It had a drastic change in climate and topography on the Earth. Pangea was no more.

We don't know because if the literal information was more known it became lost after the languages got confused at Babylon.

Post the Hebrew scholars on,that .

Genesis isn't listed as poetry ,..

Job,song of Solomon ,and the book of proverbs ,is .

 

[JohnDB]

Post the Hebrew scholars on,that .

Genesis isn't listed as poetry ,..

Job,song of Solomon ,and the book of proverbs ,is .

Oh try to say the words in Hebrew without it being poetry and you will be spitting into the wind.

I haven't heard of anyone who claims it is anything else but poetry. It isn't necessarily a song...but it definitely is poetic.

Beowolf, as written originally, is what is referred to as narrative poetry. It tells us a story in poetic fashion.
The Hebrew poetry here is quite beautiful and tells us many things all at the same time...so multi layered in the telling. A level of complexity that English cannot contain and that is if anyone had the talent for doing it. Which is way above genius level writing.

 

[jasonc]

Oh try to say the words in Hebrew without it being poetry and you will be spitting into the wind.

I haven't heard of anyone who claims it is anything else but poetry. It isn't necessarily a song...but it definitely is poetic.

Beowolf, as written originally, is what is referred to as narrative poetry. It tells us a story in poetic fashion.
The Hebrew poetry here is quite beautiful and tells us many things all at the same time...so multi layered in the telling. A level of complexity that English cannot contain and that is if anyone had the talent for doing it. Which is way above genius level writing.

Talkiny to a guy who has learned a sister toungue called pashto,Persian .

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Note date ,my conservative Jewish tanakh says the days are literal.

Thats book,is thrice as thick with commentary on as any,christain bible .

The commentary on genesis by rambam is eveb thicker ,

Both ,all three see it literal .

 

[Who Me]

haven't heard of anyone who claims it is anything else but poetry. It isn't necessarily a song...but it definitely is poetic.

Try asking the Hebrew scholars and professors of Hebrew how genesis was written.
They will tell you that the language used in genesis is meant to conceive the idea of a six day creation.
They may not believe it, but that is what the authors of genesis were trying to say.

That then leads to the question why does science want millions of years?

There is a subsequent question why do so many Christians believe atheists but not the Bible?

Creation.com has articles on the Hebrew in genesis and on taking Moses out of geology.

I have my own question.
Jesus backed the idea that genesis is accurate, he used Adam and Eve as examples in marriage.
Given that sin is in the thought not the deed, then his approval of a lie, that genesis is true, means he sinned. He knew the truth, he is the truth but he lied.

How can he save anyone?