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[__ Science __ ] Some Thoughts On The Religion Of Evolution.

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JAG Writes:
Some Thoughts On The Religion Of Evolution , , ,

Some talk about Abiogenesis {life came from non-life}

Most Evolutionists today do NOT make a case
for Abiogenesis, but some Thread-Evolutionists
have argued for the possibility. To me its an
absurd notion. Life cannot come from non-life.

Most Evolutionists these days go with the word
Evolution and hawk "Natural Selection"
and "Random mutation" , , ,

My view is that it does not matter what you
call it -- the fact remains that , ,

Evolutionists claim that , , ,

~ natural selection
and
~ :random mutation
and
~ atoms and molecules
and
~ chemical reactions
and
~ etc etc etc

plus
unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

, , eventually produced a situation where our ancestors crawled
up out of the Primordial Slime or Primordial Soup, at first just a
tiny speck, later to become the size of a dime, later to become the
size of a golf ball, later to become a Bullfrog or Whatever They Say It Was
later to become a Monkey or a Chimp, later to become a "George W. Bush."

____________


Moreover, , , Evolutionists believe that , , ,


~ unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

. . . produced a , , ,

■ highly complex Human Brain
and
■ a highly complex Human Eye
and
■ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body
and
■ a highly complex Earth
and
■ a highly complex Universe.
and eventually produced a , , ,
■ highly complex "George W. Bush"

_____________


It takes a lot of Faith to believe all that up there.
And my view is that anybody who believes all that
up there is a Great Man Of Faith -- this is why I
speak about the Religion Of Evolution.

Speaking about Faith , ,

I do NOT say that Evolution is not true.

Theistic Evolution may be the way it happened.
My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , but, , ,

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God , ,,

, , , repeat , , ,

how He did it, is interesting but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God , ,,

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

JAG
 

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You started with a faulty assumption. Evolutionary theory isn't about the origin of life. Darwin, for example, just supposed that God created the first living things.

Now, you could argue that your religion says that God is not capable of making a universe in which the earth can bring forth life, but God says that He is, and I believe Him.
 

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You started with a faulty assumption. Evolutionary theory isn't about the origin of life. Darwin, for example, just supposed that God created the first living things.

Now, you could argue that your religion says that God is not capable of making a universe in which the earth can bring forth life, but God says that He is, and I believe Him.
"You started with a faulty assumption. Evolutionary theory
isn't about the origin of life. Darwin, for example, just
supposed that God created the first living things.

Now, you could argue that your religion says that God is not
capable of making a universe in which the earth can bring
forth life, but God says that He is, and I believe Him.
"__Barbarian



The OP is AGAINST Evolution, NOT in support of Evolution.

JAG Wrote In The OP:
"We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists."__JAG

Thank you for your comment.

Best

JAG
 

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You started with a faulty assumption. Evolutionary theory
isn't about the origin of life. Darwin, for example, just
supposed that God created the first living things.

Now, you could argue that your religion says that God is not
capable of making a universe in which the earth can bring
forth life, but God says that He is, and I believe Him.

The OP is AGAINST Evolution,

I think everyone got that. Whenever someone talks about "the religion of evolution", we know they don't know anything about evolution. It might seem like it's only Christians who understand evolution, but in fact, people of all different faiths can understand evolution. It's like plumbing. Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. can all do plumbing. Even people with no faith at all can do it. That's how science is.

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists

Christians do. The problem is creationists don't approve of the way He did it.
 

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If evolution is how man arrived...then there was no fall.

Rev 5:12 becomes false. Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
 

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JAG Writes:
Some Thoughts On The Religion Of Evolution , , ,

Some talk about Abiogenesis {life came from non-life}

Most Evolutionists today do NOT make a case
for Abiogenesis, but some Thread-Evolutionists
have argued for the possibility. To me its an
absurd notion. Life cannot come from non-life.

Most Evolutionists these days go with the word
Evolution and hawk "Natural Selection"
and "Random mutation" , , ,

My view is that it does not matter what you
call it -- the fact remains that , ,

Evolutionists claim that , , ,

~ natural selection
and
~ :random mutation
and
~ atoms and molecules
and
~ chemical reactions
and
~ etc etc etc

plus
unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

, , eventually produced a situation where our ancestors crawled
up out of the Primordial Slime or Primordial Soup, at first just a
tiny speck, later to become the size of a dime, later to become the
size of a golf ball, later to become a Bullfrog or Whatever They Say It Was
later to become a Monkey or a Chimp, later to become a "George W. Bush."

____________


Moreover, , , Evolutionists believe that , , ,


~ unthinking non-intelligent Time
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance
plus
~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,

. . . produced a , , ,

■ highly complex Human Brain
and
■ a highly complex Human Eye
and
■ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body
and
■ a highly complex Earth
and
■ a highly complex Universe.
and eventually produced a , , ,
■ highly complex "George W. Bush"

_____________


It takes a lot of Faith to believe all that up there.
And my view is that anybody who believes all that
up there is a Great Man Of Faith -- this is why I
speak about the Religion Of Evolution.

Speaking about Faith , ,

I do NOT say that Evolution is not true.

Theistic Evolution may be the way it happened.
My view is that it has NOT been scientifically proved
that the one-celled speck in the Primordial Slime eventually
became "Oprah Winfrey" and "Joe Biden" , ,

, , but, , ,

, , Evolution is not a crucial issue for the Christian anyway.

Millions of us say Evolutionists have NOT scientifically proved
that "George W. Bush" started off as a single-celled speck that
"came up out of the Slime" -- but even if they do, one day, prove
that it happened that way, So what? Who cares?

We Christians will forever believe in the God that created the highly
complex Human Person, the highly complex Human Brain, the highly
complex Human Eye, the highly complex Earth, the highly complex
Universe, and all that exists --- how He did it, is interesting but it has
zero to do with our Faith in God , ,,

, , , repeat , , ,

how He did it, is interesting but it has zero to do with
our Faith in God , ,,

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}

JAG
very funny and very true

thanks for the post

the original creation can not be accounted for by evolution

all they can do is argue about how the original creation developed after it was created

natural selection - survival of the fittest - and cross-breeding are things that happen today

to call that evolution - one genealogical life form turning into a different genealogical life form - does not happen today and can't be proved to have happened in the past - thus the "theory" of evolution - it's not yet become a true provable science - and many of us know it will never become a true provable science
 

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natural selection - survival of the fittest - and cross-breeding are things that happen today

And the evolution of new species, which is documented.

to call that evolution - one genealogical life form turning into a different genealogical life form - does not happen today

Happens constantly. New species, genera and even new families are admitted by most creationists today. Scientists call that "macroevolution", (evolution of new taxa) while "microevolution" is evolution within a species.

Genetics and the fossil record show that common descent of living things on Earth is a fact.

thus the "theory" of evolution - it's not yet become a true provable science

There's a theory of gravitation, too. But gravity is a fact, just as evolution is a fact. Evolutionary theory and gravitational theory are explanations for the observed fact. Science never "proves" anything in the true sense. Logical certainty only comes when you know all the rules and apply them to particulars. Science can only observe the particulars and infer the rules.

However, an idea in science can only become a theory when its predictions have been repeatedly confirmed by evidence. As you might know, creationists have admitted that there is very good evidence to support evolutionary theory. Can I show you that, again?
 

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"But we actually have some good observed examples
of the evolution of highly complex things. And we have
a lot of evidence we evolved from a common ancestor."
___John Evolitionist

Regarding the Faith Based Claim that seeks to explain how
"a Ronald Reagan" and "a Ruth Bader Ginsburg" came to
exist:

JAG Replies:

You have no Empirical Evidence that your original ancestor
was at one time a dead one-celled speck that lived in the
Primordial Slime and then later begin to pulsate with life
and eventually became "a Ronald Reagan" and "a Ruth
Bader Ginsburg."


Pulsate , , just a slight boom , , boom , , boom , , ,


I mean the one-celled speck was not always alive --so there
was a time when Old One-Cell was as dead as a door nail , ,


, , , but , , , ,


, , lo and behold , , ,


, , ,Old One Cell at some point became alive and it began to pulsate.

Then Time Passed.


After awhile Old One Cell, increased to the size of a pecan.


Then later on Old One Cell increased to the size of a baseball.


Then to the size of a Chicken.


A chicken , , ,


Then later on as Time Passed Old One Cell has now become a Toad Frog.
{or What Ever You Claim It Became}


But Old One Cell did not remain a Toad Frog.


On no.


Old One Cell eventually became a Chimp.


Then as time Passed a "scientific miracle" occurred , , ,


Here it comes , , ,


Old One Cell now at last as become "a Ronald Reagan"
and "a Ruth Bader Ginsburg."


And all that up there happened due to , , ,


~ natural selection

and

~ :random mutation

and

~ atoms and molecules wiggling around

and

~ chemical reactions taking place . . .


, , , and all that was produced by


~ unthinking non-intelligent Time

plus

~ unthinking non-intelligent Chance

plus

~ unthinking non-intelligent Matter , , ,


, , which produced a , ,


~ highly complex Human Brain


~ and a highly complex Human Eye, and


~ a highly complex Fully Functioning Human Body


So?


So if you believe all that up there, then you are a Great Man Of Faith
and you believe in the Religion Of Evolution.


My view is >> It requires MORE faith to believe in all that up there, than
it requires to believe in John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He
gave His one and only Son that whoever believes in Him shall not perish
but have Eternal Life."


Best.


JAG
 

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And the evolution of new species, which is documented.

Happens constantly. New species, genera and even new families are admitted by most creationists today. Scientists call that "macroevolution", (evolution of new taxa) while "microevolution" is evolution within a species.
PROOF NEEDED FOR:
  • a single cell organism turned into a jellyfish

  • or a cold blooded scaly skin reptile turned into a warm blooded feathered bird

  • or a water creature turned into a land creature

  • or a dog turned into a bear

  • or a 4 footed furry creature turned into an elephant

  • or a monkey turned into a man

  • or any of the other things evolutionists insist are one life form turning into another

IMPLAUSABLE
this is the "theory" that is implausible to non-evolutionary creationists

if you can't prove these things then to say all life evolved from a single cell organism is not science - just as life evolving from non-life is not science - nor matter evolving from non-matter -

if you can't prove the first evolutionary claim of all life evolving from a single cell organism the other statements you made are not important to a non-evolutionary creationist

TWO FAITHS
"evolving" is the issue - "created" is more plausible than evolution - created and then mutating with some mutations beneficial and others detrimental to the survival of the creature is very plausible - God creating anything is very plausible

a dog turning into a different dog - a bird turning into a different bird - etc - is mutation and cross breeding and provable

a dog turning into a bear and a lizard turning into a bird is not provable by science
 

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I mean the one-celled speck was not always alive --so there
was a time when Old One-Cell was as dead as a door nail , ,
, , , but , , , ,
, , lo and behold , , ,
, , ,Old One Cell at some point became alive and it began to pulsate.
true - this is the first real stumbling block of the theory of evolution
 

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You started with a faulty assumption. Evolutionary theory
isn't about the origin of life. Darwin, for example, just
supposed that God created the first living things.

Now, you could argue that your religion says that God is not
capable of making a universe in which the earth can bring
forth life, but God says that He is, and I believe Him.



I think everyone got that. Whenever someone talks about "the religion of evolution", we know they don't know anything about evolution. It might seem like it's only Christians who understand evolution, but in fact, people of all different faiths can understand evolution. It's like plumbing. Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. can all do plumbing. Even people with no faith at all can do it. That's how science is.



Christians do. The problem is creationists don't approve of the way He did it.
" Whenever someone talks about "the religion of evolution",
we know they don't know anything about evolution. "___Barbarian


Its a no-win to argue about the use of a word -- especially the super-charged
word "religion" that takes on new connotations almost by the hour on the
Worldwide Web inside Thread World on the Internet At Large.

connotation - an idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition to its literal or primary meaning.

Read that one more time . . .
connotation - an idea or feeling that a word invokes in addition
to its literal or primary meaning.


I will go to my grave proclaiming that Evolution is a Religion
and I will always speak about the Religion Of Evolution --and for
the reasons I have presented in the OP and in my follow-up posts
in this thread -- and I do NOT mean to be argumentative with you
on this. You are free to argue that Evolution is NOT a Religion and
I am free to argue that Evolution IS a Religion and I always will ---
because it takes a HUGE amount of pure Faith to believe what
Evolutionists say they believe --and in my world when you exercise
Faith then you have a Religion.


I will do my small part in threads inside Thread World on the
Internet At large to "get the word out" that Evolution is a Religion
by constantly referring to The Religion Of Evolution. If enough people
will start referring to the Religion Of Evolution -- then the major
dictionaries will up-date their dictionaries to reflect the new usage of
the word "Evolution" as a Religion --- also if you EVEN NOW google
"Evolution as religion" you will pull up some stuff.

Here is one example , , ,
________________

Start quote.
"Evolution As Religion"
"According to The Guardian, Midgley is 'the foremost scourge
of scientific pretentions in this country; someone whose wit is
admired even by those who fee she sometimes oversteps the
mark'. This book examines how science comes to be used as
a substitute for religion and points out how badly that role
distorts it.
Her argument is flawlessly insightful: a punch,
compelling, lively indictment of these misuses of science.
Both the book and its author are true classics of our time. "
End quote.
_______________________

Barbarian,
I also believe that the following are Religions . . {in fact I KNOW they are Religions.}
For certain , , ,
The Religion Of Atheism
The Religion Of Secular Humanism
'The Religion Of False-god-Science
The Religion of Secularized Intellectualism

Possibilities , , ,
The Religion Of Secularized Rationalism
The Religion Of Naturalism
The Religion Of Materialism


__________

Regarding the Religion Of Atheism

Henry is an Atheist.
There is nothing Higher in Henry's world than Henry.
Henry is his own Supreme Being.
Henry is his own god.
The name of Henry's god is Henry.
The name of Henry's religion is Henryism.
The Religion Of Henryism.
Therefore Henry also practices the Religion Of Atheism
because Henry has a god named Henry.

____________


Of course, there is actually no such thing as an Atheist.
Romans 1:18-20
Romans 2:15
Romans 1:18
Eccl. 3:11
Psalm 19:1-4

"since what may be known about God is plain to them,
because God has made it plain to them.
For since the
creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal
power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being
understood from what has been made, so that people are
without excuse. "
Romans 1:18-20

Speaking about words, I have coined a "word" to replace the word "Atheist"
since there is no such thing on the planet as an atheist --- my coined word
is "NRA-Atheist" {Not Really An Atheist."}

, , ,lol , ,

Best.

JAG


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Into The Absurd With The Dice , , , ,
JAG Writes:
Some Evolutionists have said that "If it is possible, given enough tries, it is inevitable."
My view is the absurd is NOT possible and that if you believe the following
then you believe the absurd and nonsensical.

The subject here is Dice thrown into the air , , , ,

Some Evolutionists say that if you throw any number of Dice into the air
"enough times, then at some point all the Dice will come up 6's -- they
say it does NOT matter HOW MANY Dice you throw into the air , , ,

My view is this claim is absurd nonsense and here is WHY I say that , , ,

You have to produce absolute Empirical proof that , ,,
999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999, trillion
to the power of

999,999,999,999, 999, 999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,, 999.999.999.999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999, trillion Dice
if thrown in the air, enough times, will inevitably, all come up all 6's

``
Then add this , , ,
For all you know for a fact, it might take 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999,999,999,999,999, trillion times MORE than that up there , ,
to equal the complexity of the total Earth and every single thing on the Earth.
You simply can NOT , , KNOW , , what the actual level of complexity is.
And if you say you DO know, then you are speaking as a Man Of Faith.

"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable" is
a Faith Belief. And it does not matter how high the numbers go
on the "Enough Tries Principle" ALL the dice at some point MUST
come up all 6's And THAT is absurd. It is absurd to believe that is
even a remote possibility. I am not going to believe the absurd in
the name of Logic.

"If it is possible, then given enough tries, it is inevitable, but the absurd is not possible."___JAG

JAG


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It takes much MORE Faith to believe that up there, than it takes to believe
"That God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whoever
believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life."

"Have Faith in God."___The Lord Jesus {Mark 11:22}
 

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You have no Empirical Evidence that your original ancestor
was at one time a dead one-celled speck that lived in the
Primordial Slime and then later begin to pulsate with life
and eventually became "a Ronald Reagan" and "a Ruth
Bader Ginsburg."

Your guy again makes the erroneous assumption that evolution is about the origin of life. It's a common superstition among creationists, but it's false.

And of course, as even honest creationists admit, genetics and the many, many transitional fossil series are "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory."

Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds.
YE creationist Kurt Wise. Toward A Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

Evolution is not a theory in crisis. It is not teetering on the verge of collapse. It has not failed as a scientific explanation. There is evidence for evolution, gobs and gobs of it. It is not just speculation or a faith choice or an assumption or a religion. It is a productive framework for lots of biological research, and it has amazing explanatory power. There is no conspiracy to hide the truth about the failure of evolution. There has really been no failure of evolution as a scientific theory. It works, and it works well.

I say these things not because I'm crazy or because I've "converted" to evolution. I say these things because they are true. I'm motivated this morning by reading yet another clueless, well-meaning person pompously declaring that evolution is a failure. People who say that are either unacquainted with the inner workings of science or unacquainted with the evidence for evolution. (Technically, they could also be deluded or lying, but that seems rather uncharitable to say. Oops.)

YE Creationist Todd Wood, The Truth about Evolution

Neither of these men think that evolution actually happened. But they are quite honest in admitting that the empirical evidence for it is very good.

You have to produce absolute Empirical proof that , ,,
999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999, trillion
to the power of

999,999,999,999, 999, 999,999,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,, 999.999.999.999, 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,99 9,999,999, 999,999,999,999,999, trillion Dice
if thrown in the air, enough times, will inevitably, all come up all 6's

You're wrong there, too. Darwin's great discovery was that it isn't random. BTW, your argument "proves" that you can't exist. Would you like me to show you?
 

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" Whenever someone talks about "the religion of evolution",
we know they don't know anything about evolution. "___Barbarian


Its a no-win to argue about the use of a word -- especially the super-charged
word "religion" that takes on new connotations almost by the hour on the
Worldwide Web inside Thread World on the Internet At Large.

You seem to know what religion is. The point is, you don't know what evolution is. What do you think the scientific definition of biological evolution is?
 

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PROOF NEEDED FOR:
  • a single cell organism turned into a jellyfish
Colonial animals...

Choanoflagellates are regarded as a suitable model for reconstructing the last unicellular ancestor of animals according to a review study and protocol report by Nicole King et al. This group of free-living and colonial eukaryotic unicellular organism is the closest living relative of animals.
...
The study revealed that rosetta colony develops through cellular division rather than cellular aggregation. In other words, the formation of a rosetta colony is dependent on cell proliferation rather than the aggregation or clumping of similar rosetta species in the immediate surroundings.

... view that a colony of unicellular organism transitioned to a single multicellular organism through repeated cell division. Furthermore, it is also consistent with the hypothesis that the last common ancestor of animals and choanoflagellates was capable of simple multicellularity.

or a cold blooded scaly skin reptile turned into a warm blooded feathered bird

Feathered dinosaurs, most if not all of whom were warm-blooded. They also had avian respiratory systems. Would you like to learn more about that?

or a water creature turned into a land creature

Fish with tetrapod legs:

or a dog turned into a bear

Evolution would be in big trouble if that happened. Dogs are highly specialized animals which would be very unlikely to become bears. However, there are transitional forms between bears and dogs, which don't have the specializations of either. Would you like to learn about that?

or a 4 footed furry creature turned into an elephant

Elephants are 4 footed, and they have fur. Just not much of it. So already there. Some species of elephants had a lot of hair. Would you like to learn about those?

or a monkey turned into a man

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, which are too evolved in their own way to become human.

or any of the other things evolutionists insist are one life form turning into another

YE creationist Kurt Wise say there's "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory" in the fossil record. Would you like a list of the transitionals he mentions?

TWO FAITHS
"evolving" is the issue - "created" is more plausible than evolution

Evolution is just one way God creates things. It's just a way you happen to disapprove of.
 

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Evolution is just one way God creates things. It's just a way you happen to disapprove of.


"Evolution is just one way God creates things.
It's just a way you happen to disapprove of."___Barbarian


Question for you, Barbarian
If you do not mind, give me your opinion of the following:
I am NOT telling you that I agree with what is written below.
I am only asking for your thoughts on it.

Start quote.
" , , . I think evolution is the most likely and most accurate
(though not definitive or entirely accurate) depiction of the process
as it occurred in our reality. But I am ultimately a creationist.
It seems most likely to me that the Creation Story
depicted in The Bible is from the spiritual perspective and
attempting to describe the process in those terms
. From our
perspective (had we been conscious to witness it) we would
have seen days 5 and 6 of the creation story take place
over hundreds of millions of years. God is timeless. If
Evolution is viewed through extreme 'fast forward', its
not meaningfully different from Creation by the 'unseen
hand' guiding the mutations and adaptations toward a
specific design.

So I am one example of a believer in Evolution
but not
abiogenesis (at least not on its fundamental level that it
occurred by chance."___a believer in Theistic Evolution
End quote

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Barbarian, you, I guess, are a fully committed believer in
Theistic Evolution? Is that correct?

Best.

JAG


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BTW, your argument "proves" that you can't exist. Would you like me to show you?


"BTW, your argument "proves" that you can't exist.
Would you like me to show you?"__Barbarian


Yeah, give it a shot.

Best

JAG


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You seem to know what religion is. The point is, you don't know what evolution is. What do you think the scientific definition of biological evolution is?
"You seem to know what religion is.
The point is, you don't know what evolution
is. What do you think the scientific definition
of biological evolution is?"__Barbarian


You tell me what the definition is, if you don't mind.

Best.

JAG

Thought For Today.
“All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king.” ___J.R.R. Tolkien


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Barbarian

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You tell me what the definition is, if you don't mind.

You were telling us about it. And now you're telling us that you don't even know what it is? Just tell us the definition you were using when you were talking about evolution. What have you got?

"BTW, your argument "proves" that you can't exist.
Would you like me to show you?"__Barbarian


Yeah, give it a shot.

Sure. Humans have about 30,000 genes. There are dozens of alleles (different versions of the same gene) in human populations. So to make it easy, let's say ten per gene. That means the allele you have for any given gene has a 0.1 likelihood. The likelihood of all the alleles you have is 1.0 divided by 0.1 to the 30,000th power. My calculator will only go to the 3,000th power, but that says the likelihood of you is 1 with 2999 zeros in front of it. Way past the level considered impossible.

The number of hydrogen atoms in the universe is estimated to be about 1 with 87 zeros in front of it.
 

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Barbarian, you, I guess, are a fully committed believer in
Theistic Evolution? Is that correct?

I merely accept evolution on the evidence. "Theistic evolution" seems to be like "theistic gravity" or "forensic bartending." I don't see that one's religious beliefs can inform one on biology any more than it can inform one on gravity.
 
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