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Hi guys, and blessings to all. I'm going to attempt to prove that..
soul sleep is false using (gotquestions and bibledotorg).
Bibledotorg also makes some valid points in 1-3...

Particular Judgment and Universal Judgment
Literal sleep/no - Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6
Moment we die/facing judgment - Hebrews 9:27
Absent from body/present with Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23
Everlasting punishment in hell - Luke 16:22-23
Temporary heaven/paradise - Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4
Temporary hell/hades - Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14
Literal sleep/no - Luke 16:19-31
Believers in paradise/sent to new heavens and new earth - Revelation 21:1
Nonbelievers in hades/sent to lake of fire - Revelation 20:11-15

What does the Bible say about soul sleep?

Question: "What does the Bible say about soul sleep?"

Answer: “Soul sleep” is a belief that after a person dies, his/her soul “sleeps” until the resurrection and final judgment. The concept of “soul sleep” is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person “sleeping” in relation to death (Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6), it does not mean literal sleep. Sleeping is just a way to describe death because a dead body appears to be asleep. The moment we die, we face the judgment of God (Hebrews 9:27). For believers, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). For unbelievers, death means everlasting punishment in hell (Luke 16:22-23).

Until the final resurrection, though, there is a temporary heaven—paradise (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4) and a temporary hell—Hades (Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14). As can be clearly seen in Luke 16:19-31, neither in paradise nor in Hades are people sleeping. It could be said, though, that a person’s body is “sleeping” while his soul is in paradise or Hades. At the resurrection, this body is “awakened” and transformed into the everlasting body a person will possess for eternity, whether in heaven or hell. Those who were in paradise will be sent to the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Those who were in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—based entirely on whether or not a person trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Present-day defenders of soul sleep include the Seventh Day Adventist church, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, and others.

http://www.gotquestions.org/soul-sleep.html#ixzz34YBXWij3
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Is soul sleep’ biblical? When we die do we go to heaven immediately or at the second coming?

A person who has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior goes immediately to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord. Though their body is in the grave and decomposes, their soul and spirit (the immaterial part, the real person) goes immediately into the presence of the Savior. At the rapture (the return of the Lord for the church) the dead in Christ return with Him and their bodies are raised so that their souls and spirits are joined with their resurrected, glorified bodies. At the same time, those who are alive when Christ returns are simply transformed into their glorified bodies like that of the Savior’s. There is no intermediate place or condition of soul sleep. Rather, believers are in heaven with the Lord and very much aware of His presence. Here are a few verses that illustrate this:

Phil. 1:21-23. “For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;”

When Paul wrote this, he was imprisoned in his own apartment, chained daily to a Roman soldier while waiting for his trial with the very real the possibility he would be put to death. Though he was confident of deliverance from physical death at this time, he was also confident that to die meant to be with Christ which he declared to be far better, a statement which hardly fits with the concept of “soul sleep.”

2 Cor. 5:6-8. “Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight, 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.”

In this passage, the Apostle Paul specifically tells us that to absent from the body (a reference to physical death), not only meant to be in the presence of the Lord, but it was like going home. See also John 14:1f, and 12:26.

1 Thess. 4:13-18. 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve, as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The reference to “sleep” in this passage is a metaphor for death which compares one thing (physical death) to another (sleep). It is used of believers because for us, death is somewhat like sleep. The use of the word “sleep” for death is used only of believes in the New Testament. The aim of this metaphor is to suggest what death is like and means to the believer, but this must be understood in the light of all of Scripture:

(1) As the sleeper does not cease to exist while his body sleeps, so the dead person continues to exist. The grave is like a bed for the body.

(2) As the immaterial part of man when asleep is still functioning to some degree in that he dreams and his sub-conscious is still at work, so likewise the believer’s soul and spirit are awake and enjoying the presence of God.

(3) As sleep is temporary, so also is the death of the body. Sleep is a figure of speech for death and anticipates resurrection but it is not meant to suggest soul sleep. This is evident from the above verses, Phil. 1:23 and 2 Cor. 5:8.

The verb “to sleep,” koimao, is used of both natural sleep (Matt. 28:13; Luke 22:45; Acts 12:6), and of death, but only of the death of the Christian (here in vss. 13, 14, 15; Matt. 27:52; Jn. 11:11; 1 Cor. 7:39; 11:30; 15:6, 18, 51; 2 Pe. 3:4). In 1 Thess. 5, the word used for sleep is a different Greek word and in the context refers, not to physical death, but to spiritual and moral complacency.

https://bible.org/question/soul-sle...-do-we-go-heaven-immediately-or-second-coming
 
Soul sleep is a term that shows the state of all people between death and the resurrection.

Dan 12:2 KJV And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Believers are considered to be asleep in Jesus indicating they will be resurrected to eternal life. We know this sleep indicates death/ unconsciousness when we look at when Jesus shows Yahweh is the God of the living not the dead. It's because of the resurrection Abraham etc are considered alive.

Mat 22:31-32 KJV But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, (32) I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
 
Soul sleep is a term that shows the state of all people between death and the resurrection.

Dan 12:2 KJV And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Believers are considered to be asleep in Jesus indicating they will be resurrected to eternal life. We know this sleep indicates death/ unconsciousness when we look at when Jesus shows Yahweh is the God of the living not the dead. It's because of the resurrection Abraham etc are considered alive.

Mat 22:31-32 KJV But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, (32) I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Hi agua. What are your thoughts on (sleep) being metaphorical and a figure of speech.
 
Hi agua. What are your thoughts on (sleep) being metaphorical and a figure of speech.

Sleep is used metaphorically for death esp because we will be resurrected. Jesus showed when He resurrected Lararus that death was simply being unconscious until the resurrection and that He held the power over it.

Do you see how Jesus said Yahweh is the God of the living because of the resurrection ?
 
Hi guys, and blessings to all. I'm going to attempt to prove that..
soul sleep is false using (gotquestions and bibledotorg).
Bibledotorg also makes some valid points in 1-3...

Particular Judgment and Universal Judgment
Literal sleep/no - Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6
Moment we die/facing judgment - Hebrews 9:27
Absent from body/present with Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23
Everlasting punishment in hell - Luke 16:22-23
Temporary heaven/paradise - Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4
Temporary hell/hades - Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14
Literal sleep/no - Luke 16:19-31
Believers in paradise/sent to new heavens and new earth - Revelation 21:1
Nonbelievers in hades/sent to lake of fire - Revelation 20:11-15

What does the Bible say about soul sleep?

Question: "What does the Bible say about soul sleep?"

Answer: “Soul sleep” is a belief that after a person dies, his/her soul “sleeps” until the resurrection and final judgment. The concept of “soul sleep” is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person “sleeping” in relation to death (Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6), it does not mean literal sleep. Sleeping is just a way to describe death because a dead body appears to be asleep. The moment we die, we face the judgment of God (Hebrews 9:27). For believers, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). For unbelievers, death means everlasting punishment in hell (Luke 16:22-23).

Until the final resurrection, though, there is a temporary heaven—paradise (Luke 23:43; 2 Corinthians 12:4) and a temporary hell—Hades (Revelation 1:18; 20:13-14). As can be clearly seen in Luke 16:19-31, neither in paradise nor in Hades are people sleeping. It could be said, though, that a person’s body is “sleeping” while his soul is in paradise or Hades. At the resurrection, this body is “awakened” and transformed into the everlasting body a person will possess for eternity, whether in heaven or hell. Those who were in paradise will be sent to the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Those who were in Hades will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people—based entirely on whether or not a person trusted in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Present-day defenders of soul sleep include the Seventh Day Adventist church, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christadelphians, and others.

http://www.gotquestions.org/soul-sleep.html#ixzz34YBXWij3
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Is soul sleep’ biblical? When we die do we go to heaven immediately or at the second coming?

A person who has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ as his Savior goes immediately to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord. Though their body is in the grave and decomposes, their soul and spirit (the immaterial part, the real person) goes immediately into the presence of the Savior. At the rapture (the return of the Lord for the church) the dead in Christ return with Him and their bodies are raised so that their souls and spirits are joined with their resurrected, glorified bodies. At the same time, those who are alive when Christ returns are simply transformed into their glorified bodies like that of the Savior’s. There is no intermediate place or condition of soul sleep. Rather, believers are in heaven with the Lord and very much aware of His presence. Here are a few verses that illustrate this:

Phil. 1:21-23. “For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. 22 But if I am to live on in the flesh, this will mean fruitful labor for me; and I do not know which to choose. 23 But I am hard-pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better;”

When Paul wrote this, he was imprisoned in his own apartment, chained daily to a Roman soldier while waiting for his trial with the very real the possibility he would be put to death. Though he was confident of deliverance from physical death at this time, he was also confident that to die meant to be with Christ which he declared to be far better, a statement which hardly fits with the concept of “soul sleep.”

2 Cor. 5:6-8. “Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord, 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight, 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.”

In this passage, the Apostle Paul specifically tells us that to absent from the body (a reference to physical death), not only meant to be in the presence of the Lord, but it was like going home. See also John 14:1f, and 12:26.

1 Thess. 4:13-18. 13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve, as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

The reference to “sleep” in this passage is a metaphor for death which compares one thing (physical death) to another (sleep). It is used of believers because for us, death is somewhat like sleep. The use of the word “sleep” for death is used only of believes in the New Testament. The aim of this metaphor is to suggest what death is like and means to the believer, but this must be understood in the light of all of Scripture:

(1) As the sleeper does not cease to exist while his body sleeps, so the dead person continues to exist. The grave is like a bed for the body.

(2) As the immaterial part of man when asleep is still functioning to some degree in that he dreams and his sub-conscious is still at work, so likewise the believer’s soul and spirit are awake and enjoying the presence of God.

(3) As sleep is temporary, so also is the death of the body. Sleep is a figure of speech for death and anticipates resurrection but it is not meant to suggest soul sleep. This is evident from the above verses, Phil. 1:23 and 2 Cor. 5:8.

The verb “to sleep,” koimao, is used of both natural sleep (Matt. 28:13; Luke 22:45; Acts 12:6), and of death, but only of the death of the Christian (here in vss. 13, 14, 15; Matt. 27:52; Jn. 11:11; 1 Cor. 7:39; 11:30; 15:6, 18, 51; 2 Pe. 3:4). In 1 Thess. 5, the word used for sleep is a different Greek word and in the context refers, not to physical death, but to spiritual and moral complacency.

https://bible.org/question/soul-sleep’-biblical-when-we-die-do-we-go-heaven-immediately-or-second-coming

Hi DRS81,

Both of these are in error. I agree that soul sleep is not what the Bible teaches, but these two quotes make other assertions the Bible doesn't teach. I don't really think these are a good source to make your case from since they too are faulty.
 
Sleep is used metaphorically for death esp because we will be resurrected. Jesus showed when He resurrected Lararus that death was simply being unconscious until the resurrection and that He held the power over it.

Do you see how Jesus said Yahweh is the God of the living because of the resurrection ?

Hi agua. Believers being in heaven right now and the resurrection of Lazarus are two different topics agua.

I agree that soul sleep is not what the Bible teaches, but..

You agree?

but disagree?

disagree with what, (specify please).
 
Hi agua. Believers being in heaven right now and the resurrection of Lazarus are two different topics agua.

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I thought you were talking about the state of people between death and the resurrection. Do you understand why Jesus said Yahweh is the God of the living because of the resurrection ?
 
Hi agua. Believers being in heaven right now and the resurrection of Lazarus are two different topics agua.



You agree?

but disagree?

disagree with what, (specify please).

What many call soul sleep, the body is dead and the soul is asleep, is, in my opinion not a Biblical teaching. However, I wouldn't use the sites you did as they contain other errors. I believe the sites are making erroneous claims in their attempt to refute soul sleep and as such think their case is very weak.
 
Samuel appears to Saul...did the witch have his alarm clock? Moses (who died) appears with Jesus on the mount of Transfiguration. Do you suppose He woke him up? Revelations 7 tells of of one of the groups of saved people who lost their head during the trib...they are asking when He is going to return (the parousia)...were they in between naps?
 
I thought you were talking about the state of people between death and the resurrection. Do you understand why Jesus said Yahweh is the God of the living because of the resurrection ?

We are specifically talking about where the (soul) goes between death and resurrection. Lazarus death and resurrection doesn't specify where his (soul) went when he died.

What many call soul sleep, the body is dead and the soul is asleep, is, in my opinion not a Biblical teaching.

Hi Butch, didn't you at a time in the past believe soul sleep was true. What changed your mind. :)
 
We are specifically talking about where the (soul) goes between death and resurrection. Lazarus death and resurrection doesn't specify where his (soul) went when he died.



Hi Butch, didn't you at a time in the past believe soul sleep was true. What changed your mind. :)

I didn't change my mind, It's how people define the doctrine. I believe that man is a body and God's spirit, the two become a living soul. When a man dies his body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God, thus the soul no longer exists as it's components are have separated. I believe sleep as it pertains to death is a metaphor and that there is nothing of man that is sleeping or resting awaiting anything.
 
If you are saved you go directly to be with the Lord until you are given a new body (a glorified body)....those who die outside of Christ are in Sheol/Hades where the rich man went until judgment day...
 
We are specifically talking about where the (soul) goes between death and resurrection. Lazarus death and resurrection doesn't specify where his (soul) went when he died.

We can connect where Lazarus was with what Jesus said about Yahweh being the God of the living. Jesus showed when He resurrected Lazarus that He held the key to the grave where Lazarus was. Do you understand why Jesus connected the resurrection to the Patriarchs I haven't seen your answer yet.
 
Yes,soul sleep is not Biblical.When we die our soul immediately goes to hades or heaven.Our body stays in the grave until it is resurrected.
 
When a man dies his body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God, thus the soul no longer exists as it's components are have separated.

His spirit returns to God, but his soul no longer exists? Come again?

If you are saved you go directly to be with the Lord until you are given a new body (a glorified body)....those who die outside of Christ are in Sheol/Hades where the rich man went until judgment day...

Correct.

We can connect where Lazarus was with what Jesus said about Yahweh being the God of the living. Jesus showed when He resurrected Lazarus that He held the key to the grave where Lazarus was. Do you understand why Jesus connected the resurrection to the Patriarchs I haven't seen your answer yet.

I understand what resurrection means, and what you're trying to get at. But the story of Lazarus doesn't give you proof that the soul is without conscience.

That's interesting considering immortality of the soul isn't Biblical. :biggrin

Well, it is biblical because whenever they use the term (to sleep), (asleep) or (sleep) in scripture, it is being used metaphorically and in a figure of speech. The OP site explain it well.
 
I didn't change my mind, It's how people define the doctrine. I believe that man is a body and God's spirit, the two become a living soul. When a man dies his body returns to the dust and the spirit returns to God, thus the soul no longer exists as it's components are have separated. I believe sleep as it pertains to death is a metaphor and that there is nothing of man that is sleeping or resting awaiting anything.
Our soul lasts forever and ever.It will reunite with the body at the resurrection.When a soul goes to heaven immediately after death it has substance and it is very conscious of the fact they are in heaven.People in heaven know each other.We do not know what the substance is.When a soul of an unbeliever goes to hades it has substance as well and that soul is very conscious and aware they are in hades.
 
Both soul sleep and the doctrine that we go directly to our eternal destination when we die can be supported using proof texts taken out of context. The fact is that there is no passage in the Bible that speaks on the issue clearly and beyond all doubt. One reason that I believe that soul sleep is true is that it's much more logical than the alternative. I have a feeling most people don't think this completely though, but here's what happens when a believer dies if soul sleep is false.

A man dies. His body is buried and his soul goes to Heaven, where it stays for anywhere between a few moments to a few thousand years, until the rapture. Then his soul comes back to earth and is reunited with his body and goes to Heaven a second time, where he stays until Jesus returns. When that happens, he is separated from his body, which goes back to the grave, and his soul goes back to earth to be reunited with his body a second time in what the Bible calls the first resurrection, and then he goes to Heaven for the third time, where he will stay for the rest of eternity.

Really? You believe that? Even if you don't accept the rapture, the man still goes to Heaven twice. Here's something that makes much more sense to me...

A man dies. His body is buried and his soul "sleeps" (i.e. is totally without consciousness) until Jesus returns. His soul then awakes and is reunited with his body and the man goes to Heaven. That's it. No endless reuniting soul and body and separating them again just to reunite them again. No trips back and forth between Heaven and earth. One death, one resurrection. Why do we need more?

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