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I have this computer program that lets you view the sky
from anywhere on Earth and shows the location of stars,
asteroids, and planets (its called Starry Night Backyard). It will label the planets, constellations, individual stars, galaxies, asteroids, comets, the moon and even artificial satellites.

When I have a clear night, I'll go out stargazing. I was able to see Jupiter a couple weeks ago and I saw Mars tonight. I'm still amazed that anyone who sees the wonder of astronomy and yet denies the existence of God.

I just find myself in awe that despite the seeming endlessness of space, our hairs on our head are still numbered by a loving God (Matthew 10:30).
 
I also experience the same sense of wonder, but my conclusions about the source are different.

The programs you mentioned, however, never cease to amase me. Some of them are among the largest database manipulation utlities I have ever seen. My FIL had one that would actually run his telescope. THe telescope was on a moterised mountthat was hooked into a GPS/Compass/Computer interface. All he had to do was type in the Messier's (sp?) catalog number of the body he wanted to look at and the telescope would swing to point right at it. If it was a complex moving object like a planet the telescope would compensate for earth rotation, planetary orbit, tidal forces, etc.

Amazing really.

Personally I like looking at the sky with my own eyes. It's much more spiritual.
 
I have gazed at pictures like this for long periods of time in amazement of God's handiwork, I can't understand how people can see this and believe it was all an accicent:


http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/ ... st_big.jpg

If you consider the size of each galaxy - it is incredible! With diameters of around 100,000 light years and 200 billion to 400 billion stars in each! What you see in this photo is not stars, but all galaxies!
 
people don't think it was an accident, they think it was the laws of physics.
 
Laws of Physics? Hmmm... So the Big Bang wasn't an accident but set forth by some law? Who or what made this law? Who or what set all that in motion in the first place?
 
DkC said:
I have this computer program that lets you view the sky
from anywhere on Earth and shows the location of stars,
asteroids, and planets (its called Starry Night Backyard). It will label the planets, constellations, individual stars, galaxies, asteroids, comets, the moon and even artificial satellites.

I've got to get that program.....
 
It's kind of weird that all of sudden masses of gas floating into nothing gather and "create" a star. It's funny 'cause the big bang theory is completly against all laws of physics. The only thing that could explain that it happened was a miracle that I accord to God.
 
Heidi_Mighty_Mo said:
Laws of Physics? Hmmm... So the Big Bang wasn't an accident but set forth by some law? Who or what made this law? Who or what set all that in motion in the first place?

Well you can't let god off the hook, then. What created him? What started him off in the first place?

You can't bolster god as a concept by asking questions, now.

-Nice picture though. :angel:




White_Knight; the creation of stars via gravitational collapse of gaseous fields is a fairly well modelled subset of astromony, actually. Not all that much of a mystery.

As for the big bang; I'm not sure myself how it occured (though string theory is edging in the direction of maybe explaining that) but it certainly happened. The galaxies are clearly, as modelled by red shift, expanding out from a single region and the microwave 'echo' of the bang is there for anyone to listen to with the right equipment.

I am personally unsure of how it occured and my expertise doesn't really run in that direction anyhow, to be honest. -But saying 'we don't know, therefore god did it' is a ridiculous line of reasoning.
 
God, the Great Creator is not a created being. As humans, on a created earth, we see everything as having a begining and an end but God has neither. He is eternal, always has been, always will be. It seems easier to imagine living forever once we have been created than to imagine that anyone or anything could have always been. That is due to the limitation of our human understanding, just like so many other things out there. :biggrin

Simply believing and having faith in God may seem ridiculous to those who don't believe, but as I said before, it takes faith to believe in evolution so why do those same people find it odd that Christians can have faith in God?
 
Evolution has a lot more evidence backing it than god, however.

I don't intend to rip into an argument here; you know I am a cynical bugger who likes to see evidence before making a statement. I am just not a person of faith, really.

I just object to the 'if we don't know exactly how it is done, it must be an act of god!' line of reasoning, as you could (and people did) apply that in medieval times to any known disease, for example. The 'God-of-The-Gaps', as a concept, never fixes a gap in knowledge, but merely fixes the need to question a gap in your knowledge.
 
There is nothing wrong with wanting some evidence and I understand what you are saying. I am learning better how to research "facts" myself. I hate throwing out something I thought was a fact, only to find it was a misconception. I think it is wise to research all that. The thing with me is that I really don't need to have all those facts (sun shrinkage, limestone footprints, etc...) to believe in God. It is exciting when something is discovered like that, but I will believe regardless since my belief is not based off of only what I can see and touch.

I am not trying to get into an argument myself, more trying to share my own beliefs and how I came about them. For me, I see too much so much order in creation to believe that that it could come from chaos. You see in Science, evidence of no God, I see evidence of God. Interesting how that is. :)
 
Fair enough. :)

Perhaps we can get into it another time. I have done enough research for the night, and it is late (or rather, early) this side of the Atlantic, so good night. :angel:
 
I can imagine it is a bit late there! Miss West Coast here! LOL!

Have a good weekend! :biggrin
 
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