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Oz, I'm not a scholar like you are and I do not study like you do.
I go by what I've learned in a couple of churches and what little I've read. I cannot even attempt to list bibliographies like you do.

I know that fundamentalists take every word in the entire bible as the actual word of God. Not all Christians do, and I happen to be one of those that do not.

This is the best I could do....


This is just too much for me to digest Oz.
I'm not saying Moses did NOT write either all or most of the Torah.
What I'm saying is that we can't be sure. Your reasoning is very sound,,,as it always is...but I just don't know how we could be sure.

What I'm saying...is that Moses added some of those rules and they may not be specifically from God..

I know this is rejected by fundamentalist Christians, but we do have to admit that Jesus fixed some of those incorrect rules/laws that are found in the Torah.
wondering,

With any writing from history, especially ancient history as in the Bible, we cannot be 100% sure about the content because of the vast distance between the writing and out reading it now.

We go with the 'beyond reasonable doubt' approach.

How do we know that these words from Shakespeare's 'Hamlet' are accurate? I studied Hamlet in high school back in the 1960s and there was not a word said by the teacher that would doubt the authenticity of that play.

Shakespeare wrote Hamlet between 1599 and 1601.

Have you read Homer's epic, The Odyssey, lately as a bedtime story? He wrote it between 9th to 8th century BC and the earliest known copy is from Roman times prior to 3rd century AD.

Those working or reading in the field of classics would not seriously question the content of The Odyssey, even though there is a gap of 11 centuries between the writing and the earliest fragment of a copy found.

The OT and NT evidence is far superior to these 2 examples. See: Historical Reliability of the Old Testament; Historical Reliability of the New Testament.

Oz
 

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Contraception is the first one that comes to mind
Is it right or wrong from a Christian perspective and why?
Christ the King,

This is why it is important to have a solid Christian world view and be in a church that encourages Christians to have faith, thinking and reasoning about issues of today.

The Bible supports all 3 of these issues:
  • God states we are to reason (Isaiah 1:18).
  • In 1 Peter 3:15 we are required to be ready to share a defense with people (1 Peter 3:15).
  • It is right to show unbelievers our faith is reasonable and logical.
  • This challenge influenced my writing this article: When Christian thinking becomes fuzzy
  • 'Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him' (Heb 11:6 NIV).
How does contraception fit into this world view? I reason that it is responsible to plan a family (& the number of children we have) that fits the income and expectations for this Christian family.

I have not found any Bible references that support or forbid contraception, so Christians should not add rules not in Scripture and make them universal rules.

However, I accept that some contraception does kill the unborn child through an early abortion:


Some forms of contraception, specifically the intrauterine device (IUD), Norplant, and certain low-dose oral contraceptives, often do not prevent conception but prevent implantation of an already fertilized ovum. The result is an early abortion, the killing of an already conceived individual. Tragically, many women are not told this by their physicians, and therefore do not make an informed choice about which contraceptive to use” (Randy Alcorn).

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What I'm saying...is that Moses added some of those rules and they may not be specifically from God..

I know this is rejected by fundamentalist Christians, but we do have to admit that Jesus fixed some of those incorrect rules/laws that are found in the Torah.
With all due respect to you sis if we make statements like this then we need to back them up or they are just one's opinion and should be stated so.

Have you ever read all 613 laws? You can find them at jewfag.org. Each one was for God's purpose, mainly for the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
 

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I used to know a woman that was of the faith of the Noahic...I can't remember what it's called, but the word Noah is in the title.

I like these laws because they are simple.

I also like to remember the Natural Laws of God....not to be confused with the Law of Nature.

Also it would seem that remembering the Sabbath is no longer for Christians --- although this topic is beyond what I've studied.
The word Noahic just identifies Noah as God giving him the seven commandments as He made a covenant with Noah. It's the same with Moses as we call them Mosaic laws and like that of David in the Davidic covenant. It wasn't like being a part of a following, but that of the same faith we have today in God and obey His commands under the new covenant of grace with the greatest commandment of love and the second in loving your neighbor as on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Remember the Sabbath was added to the ten commandments by God as a remembrance, not a law, of all God did in six days (Gods timing) and rested on the seventh, Genesis 2:1-3; Matthew 12:1-13.

With Noah, God gave him only seven to begin with because it was only Noah and his immediately family. When the generations grew up until the time of Moses, after the exodus, God added 3 more to the seven as I have shown earlier, but these ten are not separate from the 613 Levitical laws, but a part of all of them as God added laws for the purpose of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals and so on.

Many of the laws have been fulfilled in Christ like stoning one to death, but yet capitol punishment for murder is the same as when God first told Noah in Genesis 9:6. The natural laws of God are His command for moral conduct being superior to all written laws summed up in the greatest commandment of love. This is the will of God revealed to man through his conscience as in loving our neighbor.
 

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It's impossible for the bible to address every issue that could come up in a person's life.

I cannot, however, think of one that is not covered somehow by the 10 commandments...or the Great Commandments of Christ.

Abortion is covered under Do Not Murder.
Drug addiction is covered under Love Yourself.
etc.
I have to disagree as from Genesis to Revelation God has addressed every issue that comes up in our lives. We just need to read in scripture and understand what the existing moral laws are as I have already listed them.
 

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wondering,

With any writing from history, especially ancient history as in the Bible, we cannot be 100% sure about the content because of the vast distance between the writing and out reading it now.

We go with the 'beyond reasonable doubt' approach.

How do we know that these words from Shakespeare's 'Hamlet' are accurate? I studied Hamlet in high school back in the 1960s and there was not a word said by the teacher that would doubt the authenticity of that play.

Shakespeare wrote Hamlet between 1599 and 1601.

Have you read Homer's epic, The Odyssey, lately as a bedtime story? He wrote it between 9th to 8th century BC and the earliest known copy is from Roman times prior to 3rd century AD.

Those working or reading in the field of classics would not seriously question the content of The Odyssey, even though there is a gap of 11 centuries between the writing and the earliest fragment of a copy found.

The OT and NT evidence is far superior to these 2 examples. See: Historical Reliability of the Old Testament; Historical Reliability of the New Testament.

Oz
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

This scripture comes to mind after reading your post.

We know that the scriptures were originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic of what the Prophets and Apostles were inspired by God to write. English translations can be hard to understand as our English has many definitions for a singular word. Two things we can rely on for truth when studying is first praying and asking the Holy Spirit to teach us and understanding the full context of what we are studying at that given moment. To say parts of scripture is not truth (I know you didn't say that) would be saying we can not trust anything that has been already written.
 

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wondering,

With any writing from history, especially ancient history as in the Bible, we cannot be 100% sure about the content because of the vast distance between the writing and out reading it now.

We go with the 'beyond reasonable doubt' approach.

How do we know that these words from Shakespeare's 'Hamlet' are accurate? I studied Hamlet in high school back in the 1960s and there was not a word said by the teacher that would doubt the authenticity of that play.

Shakespeare wrote Hamlet between 1599 and 1601.

Have you read Homer's epic, The Odyssey, lately as a bedtime story? He wrote it between 9th to 8th century BC and the earliest known copy is from Roman times prior to 3rd century AD.

Those working or reading in the field of classics would not seriously question the content of The Odyssey, even though there is a gap of 11 centuries between the writing and the earliest fragment of a copy found.

The OT and NT evidence is far superior to these 2 examples. See: Historical Reliability of the Old Testament; Historical Reliability of the New Testament.

Oz
Good afternoon Oz,

If you look back, but it won't be necessary since I try to always say the truth, I did mention other old books and how the bible is probably the most reliable of those books. I think I might have mentioned The Odyssey...not sure. As to Shakespeare...OK...but we don't really know who Shakespear was or if this was his real name...unless new information has been uncovered that I'm not aware of.

I never said I don't trust the bible or its history.
It was believed till a short time ago (the 1930's?) that Jericho didn't even exist until archaeologists discovered this town.
The bible is not a history book, however, history is a part of the bible.

All I'm saying is that I believe that some of those rules were not of God's word -- Jesus did fix some of them, didn't He?

He said not to stone the adulteress woman. Stoning was allowed.
He said there is to be no divorce. Moses allowed divorce.
He said we are not to hate our enemy. The enemy was to be hated.

I could get the verses, but I have little time today and I'm sure we both know them by heart.

The bible does not need defending...
But not all Christians are fundamental Christians.
I do not believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
I do not believe in evolution, but I do believe in micro evolution.

I'm a strange fish....
we don't need to continue with this.
I agree with all you've said in your post.

I know that fragments of the Old and New testament are basically the same as what is written...some manuscripts are different, but nothing is different in what counts -- only minor small matters.

I believe the bible can be trusted...
I just believe some of those rules in the Torah are not from God Himself, but from man. I do not believe this is heretical. And I hope you don't.
 

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The word Noahic just identifies Noah as God giving him the seven commandments as He made a covenant with Noah. It's the same with Moses as we call them Mosaic laws and like that of David in the Davidic covenant. It wasn't like being a part of a following, but that of the same faith we have today in God and obey His commands under the new covenant of grace with the greatest commandment of love and the second in loving your neighbor as on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Remember the Sabbath was added to the ten commandments by God as a remembrance, not a law, of all God did in six days (Gods timing) and rested on the seventh, Genesis 2:1-3; Matthew 12:1-13.

With Noah, God gave him only seven to begin with because it was only Noah and his immediately family. When the generations grew up until the time of Moses, after the exodus, God added 3 more to the seven as I have shown earlier, but these ten are not separate from the 613 Levitical laws, but a part of all of them as God added laws for the purpose of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals and so on.

Many of the laws have been fulfilled in Christ like stoning one to death, but yet capitol punishment for murder is the same as when God first told Noah in Genesis 9:6. The natural laws of God are His command for moral conduct being superior to all written laws summed up in the greatest commandment of love. This is the will of God revealed to man through his conscience as in loving our neighbor.
There actually is a following by this name of Noah.

Here is a link that give the information...as I said, I knew a woman that belonged to this faith or "religion".

 

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I have to disagree as from Genesis to Revelation God has addressed every issue that comes up in our lives. We just need to read in scripture and understand what the existing moral laws are as I have already listed them.
I was agreeing with you in my post.
Some are just not specific...
for instance, where does it say not to smoke or take drugs?
But we are told to love ourselves and this would cover that.
I think you misunderstood my post?
 

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With all due respect to you sis if we make statements like this then we need to back them up or they are just one's opinion and should be stated so.

Have you ever read all 613 laws? You can find them at jewfag.org. Each one was for God's purpose, mainly for the rituals of the Temple, sacrifices, festivals, Torah, Kohanim and Levites, the King and the Nazarite. Then there are the existing moral laws (commandments) for all of us to still follow as in prayers and blessings, love and brotherhood. The poor and unfortunate, treatment of the Gentiles, Marriage, divorce and family. Forbidden sexual relations, business practices, employees and servants. Vows, oaths, swearing, Court and Judicial procedures. Injuries and damages, property and property rights, criminal laws. Prophecy, idolatry and all its practices as the moral laws (commandments) keep us in line with the will of God.

Matthew 22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Sorry FHG,

I will no longer continue with this discussion unless there's a separate thread for it.

I fear I am not explaining myself properly, OR I am being misunderstood and this is a serious matter.
 

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Good afternoon Oz,

If you look back, but it won't be necessary since I try to always say the truth, I did mention other old books and how the bible is probably the most reliable of those books. I think I might have mentioned The Odyssey...not sure. As to Shakespeare...OK...but we don't really know who Shakespear was or if this was his real name...unless new information has been uncovered that I'm not aware of.

I never said I don't trust the bible or its history.
It was believed till a short time ago (the 1930's?) that Jericho didn't even exist until archaeologists discovered this town.
The bible is not a history book, however, history is a part of the bible.

All I'm saying is that I believe that some of those rules were not of God's word -- Jesus did fix some of them, didn't He?

He said not to stone the adulteress woman. Stoning was allowed.
He said there is to be no divorce. Moses allowed divorce.
He said we are not to hate our enemy. The enemy was to be hated.

I could get the verses, but I have little time today and I'm sure we both know them by heart.

The bible does not need defending...
But not all Christians are fundamental Christians.
I do not believe the earth is 6,000 years old.
I do not believe in evolution, but I do believe in micro evolution.

I'm a strange fish....
we don't need to continue with this.
I agree with all you've said in your post.

I know that fragments of the Old and New testament are basically the same as what is written...some manuscripts are different, but nothing is different in what counts -- only minor small matters.

I believe the bible can be trusted...
I just believe some of those rules in the Torah are not from God Himself, but from man. I do not believe this is heretical. And I hope you don't.
The scriptures are accurate...very accurate.
What the problem becomes is in the manner it becomes interpreted.
People read and believe what they want to without proper hermeneutics. "Context is King" means nothing to your average person reading the scriptures with a preconceived idea...just like the ones you expressed in this post.
It's amazing to me how many different interpretations exist out of the same passage...and not a single person actually used proper hermeneutics...but they are all absolutely sure of their opinion on the matter.

Willing to gamble your life on what you believe?
I am...done the best research possible. Didn't just have an opinion on the fly from a flat reading. (Like we know some people do...not saying that you have)

And translation difficulties still exist...as well as political pressures. Meaning where the original language we can be assured of...the proper translation into a modern language at some points is questionable.
But the truth is available and logical... just not widely preached.
 

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The scriptures are accurate...very accurate.
What the problem becomes is in the manner it becomes interpreted.
People read and believe what they want to without proper hermeneutics. "Context is King" means nothing to your average person reading the scriptures with a preconceived idea...just like the ones you expressed in this post.
It's amazing to me how many different interpretations exist out of the same passage...and not a single person actually used proper hermeneutics...but they are all absolutely sure of their opinion on the matter.

Willing to gamble your life on what you believe?
I am...done the best research possible. Didn't just have an opinion on the fly from a flat reading. (Like we know some people do...not saying that you have)

And translation difficulties still exist...as well as political pressures. Meaning where the original language we can be assured of...the proper translation into a modern language at some points is questionable.
But the truth is available and logical... just not widely preached.
The above is not what I'm saying at all.
I don't go by my opinion but what others that are responsible in this field have taught me.

Maybe we could have a thread on this?
Would it be against the TOS?
 

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The above is not what I'm saying at all.
I don't go by my opinion but what others that are responsible in this field have taught me.

Maybe we could have a thread on this?
Would it be against the TOS?
Okay...
When you have a different position than the one I am making you aren't supposed to assist me and prove what I'm saying to be true. LOL

Which is exactly what you just did. Whether you like it or not.

You said that you form your opinion on the basis of what other people (whom you respect for various reasons) hold on what the scriptures intend. This is the exact same way most others form their opinions. You "went shopping" for opinions and rested upon the ones you liked the best. Collecting them together into the theological positions that are the most congruent in your mind and lifestyle.

Absolutely average.

And you are gambling your life on the positions you hold.

Thank God that God is merciful and his kindness is beyond understanding.
 

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Okay...
When you have a different position than the one I am making you aren't supposed to assist me and prove what I'm saying to be true. LOL

Which is exactly what you just did. Whether you like it or not.

You said that you form your opinion on the basis of what other people (whom you respect for various reasons) hold on what the scriptures intend. This is the exact same way most others form their opinions. You "went shopping" for opinions and rested upon the ones you liked the best. Collecting them together into the theological positions that are the most congruent in your mind and lifestyle.

Absolutely average.

And you are gambling your life on the positions you hold.

Thank God that God is merciful and his kindness is beyond understanding.
Why, you think I'm going to the hot place because I don't believe God said not to boil a goat in his mother's milk?
 

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Why, you think I'm going to the hot place because I don't believe God said not to boil a goat in his mother's milk?
Your final destination is Not what I even suggested or intended or referenced. Your answering for your positions and teaching them to others is...

And the goat in mother's milk is pertinent information. Just let me say that. Why it was said is a mystery to you. But to this day practicing Jews do not eat cheeseburgers. Nor is any Halal meal constructed in a similar fashion.
Might be a good idea to find out why.
Could such a meal have a symbolic as well as practical application?

Pen, ink, and especially paper (writing medium) was very very expensive. Why was it that important to be said, in the way it was said, that it was written down?

We have evidence today that this passage is accurate.
 

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Your final destination is Not what I even suggested or intended or referenced. Your answering for your positions and teaching them to others is...

And the goat in mother's milk is pertinent information. Just let me say that. Why it was said is a mystery to you. But to this day practicing Jews do not eat cheeseburgers. Nor is any Halal meal constructed in a similar fashion.
Might be a good idea to find out why.
Could such a meal have a symbolic as well as practical application?

Pen, ink, and especially paper (writing medium) was very very expensive. Why was it that important to be said, in the way it was said, that it was written down?

We have evidence today that this passage is accurate.
I was raised and lived in NYC all my life.
Practicing Jews do not mix meat and milk.
I do....I don't see any adverse effects, as the rest of the world also does this mixing of meat and milk.

The Israelites also were not to eat pork.
The Israelites were to cicrumcise their newborn on the 8th day.

I think you'll know why.
Maybe you could tell us why and also why meat can't be mixed with milk...since THIS rule I've never understood.

Pork went bad fast and they lived in a hot climate.
On the 8th day of life there is the least loss of blood.

The Jews were probably picked by God because they had a good memory and passed down stories by memory. Not everything was writtn down right away, immediately as it happened (in the beginning).

As to my eternal fate...this is what you said in post 73:

And you are gambling your life on the positions you hold.

Thank God that God is merciful and his kindness is beyond understanding.


What life if not my eternal life?
Why am I gambling my life?
Why do you think God has to be merciful and kind to me?

There are persons on this site that believe all sorts of things... not the least being that they could sin and still be saved because they are saved forever.

I'm not here to teach anyone anything.

If I'M teaching, then YOU are also teaching with every post.
How can you be sure you're right and not another member?
You cannot.

Can you, or anyone reading along, please explain why Jesus had to correct some laws from the O.T.?

I'd appreciate that.

In post 67 to Oz,,,I stated this:

He said not to stone the adulteress woman. Stoning was allowed.
He said there is to be no divorce. Moses allowed divorce.
He said we are not to hate our enemy. The enemy was to be hated.


There is some question as to my 3rd example.
 

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I was raised and lived in NYC all my life.
Practicing Jews do not mix meat and milk.
I do....I don't see any adverse effects, as the rest of the world also does this mixing of meat and milk.

The Israelites also were not to eat pork.
The Israelites were to cicrumcise their newborn on the 8th day.

I think you'll know why.
Maybe you could tell us why and also why meat can't be mixed with milk...since THIS rule I've never understood.

Pork went bad fast and they lived in a hot climate.
On the 8th day of life there is the least loss of blood.

The Jews were probably picked by God because they had a good memory and passed down stories by memory. Not everything was writtn down right away, immediately as it happened (in the beginning).

As to my eternal fate...this is what you said in post 73:

And you are gambling your life on the positions you hold.

Thank God that God is merciful and his kindness is beyond understanding.


What life if not my eternal life?
Why am I gambling my life?
Why do you think God has to be merciful and kind to me?

There are persons on this site that believe all sorts of things... not the least being that they could sin and still be saved because they are saved forever.

I'm not here to teach anyone anything.

If I'M teaching, then YOU are also teaching with every post.
How can you be sure you're right and not another member?
You cannot.

Can you, or anyone reading along, please explain why Jesus had to correct some laws from the O.T.?

I'd appreciate that.

In post 67 to Oz,,,I stated this:

He said not to stone the adulteress woman. Stoning was allowed.
He said there is to be no divorce. Moses allowed divorce.
He said we are not to hate our enemy. The enemy was to be hated.


There is some question as to my 3rd example.
What I should have said to be more accurate is that your eternal lifestyle is at stake...I would have thought that you knew me better than what you accused me of...but whatever. I didn't type it all out correctly...my bad.

What I am saying is that these paradoxes you are pointing out do have great answers. Ones that are completely understandable. Ones that you would likely agree with. (And wouldn't fit into a single post if were I to try to explain them in detail without error or leaving out pertinent information)

I can say that, in part, the reasons have to do with God's holiness and the holiness of God's "Nation of Priests"...as well as some of the previous reasons I have stated before in other posts.
We don't live in a Patriarchal, caste based society today. Women are equal with men, we don't have slavery but we do have jails and police. (Unlike the Israelites) And that these people grew up knowing the Law...
What would cause a woman, knowing that adultery was a Capitol offense, to commit such a crime?

We as a culture have completely changed behavior just because DUI laws have become so harsh that alcoholic beverage sales are down....STDs have become so bad that people are much more reluctant to engage in the services of a prostitute. Divorce has become so expensive people aren't getting married...

So...where you may not understand why the things codified were codified...it doesn't mean that the scriptures are inaccurate or that the explanations you have been given and rely upon are accurate either.
Testing and searching for answers is exactly the behavior God wants. Find out why these things are said.
There is a perfectly good reason why sons were stoned (after an examination by the elders of the town)
There's a perfectly good reason why the woman who was indeed guilty of adultery was not guilty in Jesus' book.

And there's a good reason why Jesus said not to divorce even though Moses said you could.
 

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What I should have said to be more accurate is that your eternal lifestyle is at stake...I would have thought that you knew me better than what you accused me of...but whatever. I didn't type it all out correctly...my bad.

What I am saying is that these paradoxes you are pointing out do have great answers. Ones that are completely understandable. Ones that you would likely agree with. (And wouldn't fit into a single post if were I to try to explain them in detail without error or leaving out pertinent information)

I can say that, in part, the reasons have to do with God's holiness and the holiness of God's "Nation of Priests"...as well as some of the previous reasons I have stated before in other posts.
We don't live in a Patriarchal, caste based society today. Women are equal with men, we don't have slavery but we do have jails and police. (Unlike the Israelites) And that these people grew up knowing the Law...
What would cause a woman, knowing that adultery was a Capitol offense, to commit such a crime?

We as a culture have completely changed behavior just because DUI laws have become so harsh that alcoholic beverage sales are down....STDs have become so bad that people are much more reluctant to engage in the services of a prostitute. Divorce has become so expensive people aren't getting married...

So...where you may not understand why the things codified were codified...it doesn't mean that the scriptures are inaccurate or that the explanations you have been given and rely upon are accurate either.
Testing and searching for answers is exactly the behavior God wants. Find out why these things are said.
There is a perfectly good reason why sons were stoned (after an examination by the elders of the town)
There's a perfectly good reason why the woman who was indeed guilty of adultery was not guilty in Jesus' book.

And there's a good reason why Jesus said not to divorce even though Moses said you could.
Yes...but you're not telling me any of the reasons!

Jesus said due to their hearts being hardened, God allowed divorce. Huh? So God does what PEOPLE want instead of what is right? (I feel this is different than judicial hardening of the heart).

Why can't Jews have meat and milk mixed together?
Why was stoning not condoned by Jesus even though the New Covenant had not become authoritative yet?

Yes. I think there is much to answer.

How does one explain Leviticus 24:17-20
17“Anyone who takes another person’s life must be put to death.

18“Anyone who kills another person’s animal must pay for it in full—a live animal for the animal that was killed.

19“Anyone who injures another person must be dealt with according to the injury inflicted— 20a fracture for a fracture, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Whatever anyone does to injure another person must be paid back in kind.


Didn't Jesus say:

Matthew 5:38-39
38“You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’o 39But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also.


If you could give me a good explanation, I'd be very happy to hear it. Because right now what I've been taught seems to be correct.
 

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"Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 orders killing of children up to any age for disobedience. Why is that?"

Someone asked me this so i had a look and found

"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."

I read some commentaries to see if i may have misinterpret it but it appears I haven't.
I don't know what to say to this person who asked me. They stoned this boy or man to death for being stubborn, rebellious, eating and drinking too much
There is an extreme approach in the Laws of God. In fact in both dishing out grace, and dishing out judgment there is extreme. In the Old Testiment I never found any newer books and newer prophets correct the older laws or the older stories. In fact more often then not they build off of them. Adding to the decrees and judgments. In this way I think the laws have been justified, as much as the stories of Adam and Eve, of Noah, and any other story that is debated as being justified. Otherwise I would have expected some kind of correction in the bible from a text that was given later.

As for the stubborn and rebellious child. How much would they have had to be rebellious in order for their parents to finally say "I give up, there's nothing more I can do for you to make you better." It might depend on the parents I'm sure, and I know there are bad parents out there that don't care for their children. However I also think that for the most part parents love their children. You have to go to a heavy extreem to make a parent give up and say, I'm handing you to the judges to deal with you.

Assuming that people back then still loved their children and that parents have a lot to motivate them to love their child, as well as to discipline them, then under that assumption I would say that like today in most societies, parents do their best to love their children and protect them, as well as do their best to mold their children into mature adults.

This is just my thought on the matter, and I have no knowledge of the history of Israel regarding how well the laws were followed, or how often punishments in the laws were sought out. Arguably, they could have been a culture completely different then we see today. Nonetheless, without any historical data to confirm or correct my perspective, My assumption is that human nature hasn't changed so far that parents would act on captivating punishment on their children except in the most extreem situations.
 

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Why, you think I'm going to the hot place because I don't believe God said not to boil a goat in his mother's milk?
Jesus spoke about the Laws in the Sermon on the Mount. (I think it was in that sermon). Saying that no word in the law will go away until it is completed. Then Jesus continues on to say that anyone who follows the laws and teaches others to follow them will be the greatest in in Kingdom of Heaven, and those who Ignore even the least of the laws, and teach others to ignore them will be the least in the Kingdom.

Nonetheless, in both cases both types of people are included in going to the Kingdom of heaven. The real kicker to the issue is what Jesuscsays next in Mathew 5:20.

"But I warn you—unless your righteousness is better than the righteousness of the teachers of religious law and the Pharisees, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven!"

The two thoughts on this matter is that 1) the Pharisees and teachers of the law were continually called hypocrites, and Jesus condemned them publically for that. And 2) the other idea is the idea that we are saved not by our own rightousness but by Jesus's rightousness taking the place of our sins so that we can be made with a clean slate before God.
 

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