Featherbop
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...there is no scientific reason to believe this god fellow exists at all...
Irony, thy name is bop.Featherbop said:Well, I don't consider it theory, speculation or whatever, I consider it fact.
Literal interpretation of Geneisis, I don't know.
And you can say theres no evidence for anything you want to. Just because you don't see the evidence or have the proof doesn't mean it isn't real.
Also, this was interesting:
[quote:b38de]...there is no scientific reason to believe this god fellow exists at all...
This is what we call close-minded. I am open to any objective evidence you can provide on any subject.Ah, nevermind the rest, it doesn't mean anything to me this stuff coming from an atheist.
Please stop calling me that.Featherbop said:Sintax: I'm not closeminded at all. You're more closemindede than most closeminded people.
craetionism and God, and whatnot is already proven to me. It doesn't have to be proven to all people to make it true.
Yes by going against Dogmatic law supported by the bible. People found the earth to be round by basing it on observational evidence. Your analogy is without value unless you can provide physical evidence without citing circular reasoning. (ie not the bible)Before people knew that the earth was shpererical, noone believed it. But it was still true ,and proven.
You are asserting that the belief in god is reasonable to an open minded person. You have yet to provide ANY evidence in support of this. An open minded person would be willing to weigh any assertion based on what evidence is presented by definition.If you believe you can find God using science, what are you basing your assertion on?
Featherbop said:Well, I don't consider it theory, speculation or whatever, I consider it fact.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts.
-----------------------Featherbop said:Barbarian: From my "theory" the fact that The universe is here is evidence is enough.
Featherbop said:God is provable to all people. But if they don't look in the right places, what do you expect them to find?
IS ASKING FOR SOME CONSISTANT EVIDENCE TOO MUCH? HOW ABOUT SOME COMMUNICATION THAT MORE THAN ONE PERSON CAN ATTEST TO AT ANY ONE TIME?AFTER ALL GOD IS LOOKING FOR A RELATIONSHIP WITH US ISN'T HE? IT SHOULD'NT BE SO HARD IF IT'S TRUE.
I'm not going to anartica to look for warm weather.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER STICKING YOUR HEAD IN A WARM OVEN EVIDENCE OF THE TROPICS?
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To a truly openminded person, God's existance and what He has done and does do would be very apparent. I have always been very openminded from the beginning. much more than my family. I was taught evolution in public schools, it was forced teaching. No way to question anything.
EVERYTHING IS QUESTIONABLE. IF YOU ARE TRULY OPENMINDED YOU WILL LOOK AT EVERY SITE I POSTED ELSEWHERE ON THIS SUBJECT.
I finally broke away, and took a look for truth. I see God's work in the firmament and the universe and our world. Its proven. The burden of proof that you cannot carry to convince me otherwise is upon you.
YOU DID NOT FIND TRUTH YOU CAME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE. IF YOU WERE UNABLE TO ACCEPT THE EVIDENCE AS SHOWN YOU DISMISSED IT AS WRONG. THAT IS NOT OPENMINDEDNESS.
Really, you are very predictable with how you react to arguements for God's existance. You reply to everything with: "slippery slope fallacy" "illogical conclusion" "no evidence to support that idea" .
PROVE HIM WRONG. JUST THE EVIDENCE PLEASE.
You refuse to be openminded. I have much more fun with you when I don't take this seriously. It's a fun little game. but anyway...
I THINK WE'VE PUT THAT CLAIM TO REST AND SHOWN THE ERROR AND HOW IT IS YOU THAT IS NOT OPENMINDED.
If you want God to crash your tea party and say "I'm here, follow me please!" you are going further from reality.
WHY IS THAT?
I need evidence to believe things as you say you do. I need evidence of no God to believe it. I haven't ever gotten a solid answer as to why God is illgical or God can't possibly exist.
AGAIN YOU ASK TO PROVE A NEGATIVE. YOU HAVE ASSUMED THAT BECAUSE A GOD CANNOT BE PROVEN TO NOT EXIST THEN BY DEFAULT A GOD DOES EXIST. THE SAME CLAIM CAN BE MADE ABOUT ANY CHARACTER INCLUDING SANTA. SOMEWHERE IN THE GREAT BEYOND A BEING KNOWN AS SANTA MAY EXIST AND YOU CAN'T PROVE OTHERWISE. BY DEFAULT MAKING THE CLAIM THAT SANTA EXISTS MAKES PERFECT SENSE IN YOUR WORLD.
Show me evidence of the non-existance of God?
I REFER YOU TO THE ABOVE.
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Now, ah the ol' pink unicorns type arguement.
YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE, YOU JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE, BELIEVE,ETC.
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SPIRIT OF PINK UNICORNS IN YOU.
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Put your money where your mouth is.Featherbop said:God is provable to all people. But if they don't look in the right places, what do you expect them to find?
I'm not going to anartica to look for warm weather.
Ah, so Openminded = anyone who thinks the same way as featherbop.___
To a truly openminded person, God's existance and what He has done and does do would be very apparent. I have always been very openminded from the beginning. much more than my family. I was taught evolution in public schools, it was forced teaching. No way to question anything.
WRONG, the burden of proof is upon whoever MAKES a claim. Atheists don't claim anything. YOU are claiming that god exists, you say it's proven that he exists. I repeat, give this proof or give me money.I finally broke away, and took a look for truth. I see God's work in the firmament and the universe and our world. Its proven. The burden of proof that you cannot carry to convince me otherwise is upon you.
Yes it's very predictable that anyone criticising an argument for god would point out fallacies of clarity or relevance to whoever is arguing. However it is also a sound criticism that you present a proof without said fallacies and not complain when people show that you have no argument.Really, you are very predictable with how you react to arguements for God's existance. You reply to everything with: "slippery slope fallacy" "illogical conclusion" "no evidence to support that idea" .
I refuse to be convinced by nothing. You're doing a great job in providing that. I have fun taking it seriously.You refuse to be openminded. I have much more fun with you when I don't take this seriously. It's a fun little game. but anyway...
I haven't ever been to a tea party. This is true, but you claim there to be a proof, PROVIDE IT.If you want God to crash your tea party and say "I'm here, follow me please!" you are going further from reality.
It is unreasonable to demand proof of a negative. Basic logic.I need evidence to believe things as you say you do. I need evidence of no God to believe it. I haven't ever gotten a solid answer as to why God is illgical or God can't possibly exist.
Show my why it can be assumed that god exists and you'll have a sound argument here. Otherwise the pink unicorns will steal your underwear.Show me evidence of the non-existance of God?
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Now, ah the ol' pink unicorns type arguement.
Its illogically formed arguement.
Just like "harold the teapot creator of the universe" arguement.
First of all, there is no reason to assume that pink unicorns exist. God has no comparison to this.
Come with a legitimate arguement, and we'll talk.
Depends which Christian branch you belong to, each have their own beliefs. My aunty had a still born baby, our local church refused to bury it saying that as it hadn't been baptised it was an unclean spirit (sin nature?). Talk about kicking her while shes down. She was able to move to another church who were alot more caring and get the baby buried.God will make people burn in hell forever even children? Not as far as my knowledge goes.
I've been agnostic for years, and any proof or contact with a diety would have answered numerous questions, but it didn't happen. I tried prayer when I was young and nothing. Its back to the old claim that you have to have complete belief before God will speak to you.God deosn't in ways speak to people? Sorry, nope.
I've hardly mentioned the Bible at all. Mainly that there is no justice according to it, and that appears to be true from what I'm being told by the Christians on here. Works count for nothing, therefore being a good person doesn't get you into heaven, and being bad can be repented.Wertbag, get a Bible and study it. You are claiming odd things, that don't apply to the Bible.
Don't be insulting.Are you under 10 years old?
Its possible to be a partial atheist, disbelief in the christian god is what most mean, as most of the people in the western world have no contact with the eastern religions and no idea what islam is based on.Atheists say they do not believe in God.
since it has not been proven that, it is not logical to believe that.
Wrong, it doesn't matter if it's a christian forum, atheist form, or logical positivist forum. Burden of proof is ALWAYS on the back of the person making a positive(note: posit) claim.Featherbop said:Reznwerks: No, you still don't get it. Go ask someone how the ways you can find God. And be openminded : well, you have to have a mind in the first place.
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Syntax: ON THIS FORUM THE BURDEN OF PROOFN IS ON YOU.
If I ever go to an atheist forum, the burden of proof switches to me. Do not cintinue with this arguement.
It is unreasonable to attempt to make or ask for proof of a negative claim. This is basic logic. For Example: no one can prove that unicorns don't exist.Athesits claim that there is no God. They can't prove, they can't give evidence of it. You are making the opposite claim as me.
The burden is on you. I would say its on reznwerks too, but Hes got something wrong in the attic.
Is...that...a reference to the matrix........concession accepted.If you want proof that God exists, You have to get it personally. I could show you the door, but you'd have to walk through it. If you refuse, you're are just blowing smoke. And you are blowing smoke, because you won't see anything, that isn't cientific, seeable with your eyes, etc.
Right, now you are claiming the existence of something nonmaterial. Where are you getting the evidence for this?You are missing the things not made of matter. Even little things.
We don't believe a negative. We don't believe anything. 0 is not a negative. While it is a negative to claim the nonexistence of god, it is NOT a negative to claim no belief in any god.___
I also refuse to be convinced by nothing also. Which I have that amount of evidence form you. It really is quite fun, this little game.
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If it is unreasonable to be asked to provide proof of a negative, then it is also unreasonable to believe in a negative which cannot be proven. A fallacy of atheism, that I believe Veritas pointed out in another topic, that atheism affirms a negative.
Circular logic, the only way it is possible to claim that the universe requires is a creator is to assume god and visa versa.___
It is reasonable for God to exist, because it is logical that things have to be made by someone. It is illogical that nothing makes something.
Pink unicorns is a thing made up after humans were created. Comparing pink unicorns to god has no reason to do so.
No, I won't accept the bible as evidence because it is BASED on a belief in god and can't be used to prove the existence of something it assumes. This is the definition of circular logic.___
also, syntax, you said you would not accept the Bible in any way as evidence from it? Then you are blowing smoke, you are closeminded. If you won't consider all options, that is closeminded.
good day, and have fun.
Featherbop said:God is provable to all people. But if they don't look in the right places, what do you expect them to find?
I'm not going to anartica to look for warm weather.
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To a truly openminded person, God's existance and what He has done and does do would be very apparent. I have always been very openminded from the beginning. much more than my family. I was taught evolution in public schools, it was forced teaching. No way to question anything.
I finally broke away, and took a look for truth. I see God's work in the firmament and the universe and our world. Its proven. The burden of proof that you cannot carry to convince me otherwise is upon you.
Really, you are very predictable with how you react to arguements for God's existance. You reply to everything with: "slippery slope fallacy" "illogical conclusion" "no evidence to support that idea" .
You refuse to be openminded. I have much more fun with you when I don't take this seriously. It's a fun little game. but anyway...
If you want God to crash your tea party and say "I'm here, follow me please!" you are going further from reality.
I need evidence to believe things as you say you do. I need evidence of no God to believe it. I haven't ever gotten a solid answer as to why God is illgical or God can't possibly exist.
Show me evidence of the non-existance of God?
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Now, ah the ol' pink unicorns type arguement.
Its illogically formed arguement.
Just like "harold the teapot creator of the universe" arguement.
First of all, there is no reason to assume that pink unicorns exist. God has no comparison to this.
Come with a legitimate arguement, and we'll talk.
"God is provable, if you look in
the right places" then conveniently forget to mention where these fabled places are.(and please don't offer the Bible as a place to look, that's like saying Allah is provable if you read the Koran)
Refuse to be open minded? Hey show me some "EVIDENCE" and I'll walk the Earth handing out the Good Book and spreading the Gospel...
Whereas your "proof" as you like to call it, was written by people who knew absolutely nothing about the Earth and its goings on, after all
it was less than 1000 years ago they thought they would was flat.
As for illogical reason for God, how can there be one true God when
you've got Jesus, Allah, Buddha (and not just one) and of course
Lord Ganesha just to mention one Hindu God.
Can't all be right.