Temporal Salvation?

[jerry63935]

So a person is either a Christian or they are not a Christian.

pretty much only 2 types people saved or lost unless your in hope so maybe so think so im saved category

 

[netchaplain]

Hi all
Some of you may want to consider the 1st sentence of 1st Peter 4:18, "For if it is with DIFFICULTY that the RIGHTEOUS ARE SAVED,
what becomes of the Godless man and the sinner"?
Think about it.

God bless you all
My name is OLIGOS

Hi, and it's always evident that the saved were redeemed by Christ with great hardness and must also continue to endure hardness (but not unto being "grievous" - 1Jo 5:3 - if you "cast all your cares on Him - 1Pe 5:7) because of it; and that is until the end of the believer's life. God bless!

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

The most understandable and encouraging attribute concerning salvation is that of its permanency, after all, it is called “eternal salvation” (Heb 5:9). What part of salvation is temporary, seeing that one of the meanings of redemption is that of being saved from “eternal damnation” (Mar 3:29). Is it a sensible truism that one can be eternally saved and then not eternally saved? Thus being temporarily saved from “everlasting punishment” (Mat 25:46) is clearly a concept of an oxymoron?

TO ALL THOSE REPLYING TO THIS THREAD AND TO THE MODERATORS AND ADMINISTRATORS.

This is just another "NEFARIOUSLY DISGUISED" way to share views on OSAS without coming our directly and saying it in the original post.
I THOUGHT THIS T0PIC WAS >BANNED< IN ANY FORM .

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I HAVE REPORTED THIS!!!

My name is OLIGOS

 

[Blood Bought 1953]

There is no unconditional guarantee the Christian has he/she will endure thus the encouragements about enduring and warnings admonishments if one does not endure Mt 24:12-13

“Who is he that Overcomes the World ( another way to say “ endures to the end” ) , But He That Believes That Jesus is the Son Of God”

 

[netchaplain]

TO ALL THOSE REPLYING TO THIS THREAD AND TO THE MODERATORS AND ADMINISTRATORS.

This is just another "NEFARIOUSLY DISGUISED" way to share views on OSAS without coming our directly and saying it in the original post.
I THOUGHT THIS T0PIC WAS >BANNED< IN ANY FORM .

> PLEASE REMOVE THIS THREAD <
I HAVE REPORTED THIS!!!

My name is OLIGOS

It's my opinion that "everything that pertains to life and godliness" contains elements of eternal security, thus it's impossible to share anything concerning spiritual growth issues without the two touching. I think the site rule means not to discuss this issue directly, using the terms OSAS, which singles out that OSAS is the main subject. I would have to discontinue sharing anything on this site if I believed I was wrong in my opinion here, because everything I post is in one way or another related to this issue, and I would not want to offend by willingly breaking any rule.

Wishing you God's best!

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

It's my opinion that "everything that pertains to life and godliness" contains elements of eternal security, thus it's impossible to share anything concerning spiritual growth issues without the two touching. I think the site rule means not to discuss this issue directly, using the terms OSAS, which singles out that OSAS is the main subject. I would have to discontinue sharing anything on this site if I believed I was wrong in my opinion here, because everything I post is in one way or another related to this issue, and I would not want to offend by willingly breaking any rule.

Wishing you God's best!

Thank you Netchaplin
A wonderful and reasonable Godly response and explaination to someone who is new here, and still trying to figure out if the people are real here in their walk or just PLAYING THE GOD GAME, as I've experienced on so many other forums up 'till now.
Your words speak your heart in kindness and tenderness, and it's much appreciated.

God bless you my friend as we walk this path of growth and maturing together.

My name is OLIGOS

 

[stovebolts]

The word apostate from the Greek apostasia. Apo means to leave stasia means standing. Therefore it means one who has left his previous standing.

Apostasy - Holman Bible Dictionary -

(a pahss' tuh ssee) is the act of rebelling against, forsaking, abandoning, or falling away from what one has believed. ; Old Testament The Old Testament speaks of “falling away” in terms of a person's deserting to a foreign king (2 Kings 25:11; Jeremiah 37:13-14; Jeremiah 39:9; Jeremiah

www.studylight.org

From the above link about the word apostate: (my emp)

(a pahss' tuh ssee) is the act of rebelling against, forsaking, abandoning, or falling away from what one has believed.

Strong's Greek: 646. ἀποστασία (apostasia) -- defection, revolt

biblehub.com

From the above link about apostasia:

646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."


IF OSAS were true then it would make being an apostate an impossibility, there could be no such thing as an apostate if OSAS were true. A person who was "never really saved" has always been lost so his cannot fall, his standing has not changed. But for a Christian who becomes unfaithful his standing has changed to being now lost from previous standing of being saved.

When the Bible warns the Christian about 'falling' the word fall implies a change in position. IF I were in a tree and fell from that tree then my position/standing has changed from being in the tree to now being on the ground. The Christian falls and moves from a saved position to a lost position. One who has been a alien sinner, lost being alienated from God having not been in a NT covenant relationship with Christ cannot fall for he is already fallen, his position/standing has not changed.

There is no unconditional guarantee the Christian has he/she will endure thus the encouragements about enduring and warnings admonishments if one does not endure Mt 24:12-13

(This is getting into the forum's 'forbidden topic' so I won't be making more posts on it)

Honestly, as long as this doesn't turn into an ugly slugfest, I'm ok with this thread.

If it gets ugly, I will ban offending members from the thread and shut down any new threads that may follow.

I've always believed these were good discussions, but we need mature Christians that can keep the unity even when the views are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[JLB]

To me, this passages and the others like it doesn't give the sense of obedience being the means of salvation but the evidence of possessing it (Luk 6:44; Mat 12:33). As Scripture testifies, salvation is by grace through faith in Christ, and obedience will be seen in only those who truly possess faith.

Appreciate your comments!

Seems like we need to discuss how grace through faith and obedience are related.

Otherwise we are just dismissing one scripture for the one we prefer.

Here’s how we are instructed to remain in Christ.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



Again, remaining in Christ, when by definition is eternal life, is conditional upon obeying Him.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
Hebrews 5:9


JLB

 

[netchaplain]

Seems like we need to discuss how grace through faith and obedience are related.

Otherwise we are just dismissing one scripture for the one we prefer.

Here’s how we are instructed to remain in Christ.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

Again, remaining in Christ, when by definition is eternal life, is conditional upon obeying Him.

Thanks and like your comments. Just wanted to mention that it's good to know that it's God who keeps us "abiding," and that there's no other means, e.g. self, others, etc. (Phl 1:6; Heb 12:2 - God starts and brings us to the finish through our faith He has given us).

Appreciate your site labors, and God bless!

 

[netchaplain]

Honestly, as long as this doesn't turn into an ugly slugfest, I'm ok with this thread.

If it gets ugly, I will ban offending members from the thread and shut down any new threads that may follow.

I've always believed these were good discussions, but we need mature Christians that can keep the unity even when the views are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Hi Brother Steve, and special thanks for your site labors!

 

[jerry63935]

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24

none of this is possible with out the Holy Spirit leading us/the spirit of truth Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

 

[netchaplain]

Thank you Netchaplin
A wonderful and reasonable Godly response and explaination to someone who is new here, and still trying to figure out if the people are real here in their walk or just PLAYING THE GOD GAME, as I've experienced on so many other forums up 'till now.
Your words speak your heart in kindness and tenderness, and it's much appreciated.

God bless you my friend as we walk this path of growth and maturing together.

My name is OLIGOS

Not sure how to comment here, but appreciate your concern for truth!

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Brother Steve, and special thanks for your site labors!

Thank you, but it's members like you that have a heart for the Lord and the brethren that really put in the labor.
Be blessed brother.

 

[netchaplain]

Thank you, but it's members like you that have a heart for the Lord and the brethren that really put in the labor.
Be blessed brother.

I know what you mean and thanks for the encouragement! Is that you w/guitar in the picture? I ask because I'm a drummer.

 

[stovebolts]

I know what you mean and thanks for the encouragement! Is that you w/guitar in the picture? I ask because I'm a drummer.

Yes, and we need a drummer! Come to Michigan tomorrow morning like! My wife and I are leading worship tomorrow by ourselves. Our drummer can't make it.... Looks like we will be using tracks.

 

[netchaplain]

Yes, and we need a drummer! Come to Michigan tomorrow morning like! My wife and I are leading worship tomorrow by ourselves. Our drummer can't make it.... Looks like we will be using tracks.

I really would if I were closer (Missouri). I've played for a few Churches in the last 30 yrs.

 

[jerry63935]

I really would if I were closer (Missouri). I've played for a few Churches in the last 30 yrs.

what part of Missouri you in.. that is my state i am lower part of the ozarks south of st louis off 67 south

 

[netchaplain]

what part of Missouri you in.. that is my state i am lower part of the ozarks south of st louis off 67 south

St.Louis area.

 

[jerry63935]

St.Louis area.

your north of me im about 30 miles east poplar bluff i have family in st louis

 

[JLB]

Thanks and like your comments. Just wanted to mention that it's good to know that it's God who keeps us "abiding," and that there's no other means, e.g. self, others, etc. (Phl 1:6; Heb 12:2 - God starts and brings us to the finish through our faith He has given us).

Appreciate your site labors, and God bless!

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


I see you don’t want to discuss the scriptures so, God bless you.


JLB