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Ten Kings Over Ten Regions?

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I'm seeing a view about the ten kings of Daniel and Revelation involving the earth divided up into regions, and not simply ten nations. So I'm asking if the following makes sense to anyone else.

Firstly, I've been familiar with the globalist goal for a "one world government" since the late 1970's. There's no use in debating with me on that fact, for I was given undeniable proof back then, but I won't say how. One today can easily do research with periodicals like Foreign Affairs magazine, even back in the 1920s forward, and catch much of the idea. Many famous American leaders have used the phrase "New World Order", and "one world government" for years, so the evidence of that plan has been available now for a long time.

Here's the idea...

Dan 7:24-26
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
(KJV)

The Trilateral Commision has the plan to subdivide the earth into 3 specific regions. A European Union is one, a North American Union, and then a Pacific-Asia Union. How does that reconcile with Scripture?

I'd always thought the ten kings would be over ten regions of the earth. But now with how we're very close to the forming of a North American Union I'm not so sure (see info Jerome Corsi got from the U.S. Gov. through the Freedom of Information Act, posted in articles on Worldnetdaily news website).

Is it possible the three kings the antichrist subdues when he comes, are actually over 3 main regions of the earth, and the other 7 kings are over the "seven heads" (seven regions) given as part of the 'ten horns, ten crowns, and seven heads'? That would mean 7 kings are lower level kings, and 3 kings are higher level kings, with the antichrist on top. If I'm not mistaken per history, previous beast kingdoms had both lesser and greater level kings.
 
If you are going to call the little horn antichrist,can you tell us what an antichrist proclaims according to scripture?Im hoping you will quote scripture on this.
 
Apostle John made a distinction between "antichrist" and the "many antichrists". One is singular, and the other is plural, if you'll notice. The "vile person" of Dan.11 is about 'the antichrist', not "many antichrists".

So you don't believe there's anything happenning today called "a one world government" engulfing all nations?
 
veteran said:
Apostle John made a distinction between "antichrist" and the "many antichrists". One is singular, and the other is plural, if you'll notice. The "vile person" of Dan.11 is about 'the antichrist', not "many antichrists".

So you don't believe there's anything happenning today called "a one world government" engulfing all nations?

No there is no such thing as a one world goverment other than that of Christ.All nations shall serve and obey him.

I asked you what the antichrist would proclaim because I want you to understand that the antichrist is already in the promised land.What you call the vile man is the king of the north and as you know,he will send an army to Israel in Daniel 11;31.
And arms shall stand on his part,and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,and shall take away the daily sacrifice,and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

It is written that this army is given to the little horn(a small nation).

Daniel 8;12
And a host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,and it cast down the truth to the ground,and it practiced,and prosperd.

The little horn this host is given to is already there when this army arrives.In fact the little horn is there today.He is diverse from the other ten horns as it is written.His look is more stouter than his fellows as it is written.He dwells in the land that shall be given to the saints as it is written.He subdued three of the other horns as it is written.You have seen and heard him.He subdued Egypt,Syria and Jordan in 6 days.He claims the messiah has not come.

2 John 7

For many dfecievers are enterd into the world who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.This is a deciever and an antichrist.

That little nation is already there.
 
2 witness
False prophet and AntiChrist
Prophet and Christ

There all the same people! Just different points of veiw and different versions of the truth. One mans angel is another mans demon.
 
veteran said:
I'm seeing a view about the ten kings of Daniel and Revelation involving the earth divided up into regions, and not simply ten nations. So I'm asking if the following makes sense to anyone else.

Firstly, I've been familiar with the globalist goal for a "one world government" since the late 1970's. There's no use in debating with me on that fact, for I was given undeniable proof back then, but I won't say how. One today can easily do research with periodicals like Foreign Affairs magazine, even back in the 1920s forward, and catch much of the idea. Many famous American leaders have used the phrase "New World Order", and "one world government" for years, so the evidence of that plan has been available now for a long time.

Thanks Veteran,

It makes a lot of sense.

In 1974, two scientists, Mihajlo Mesarovic and Eduard Pestel, developed a model of a world system to analyze global trends. The scientists programmed the virtual world in response to anticipated crises. The authors included a recommendation for global economic regionalization. Although the authors proposed ten regions (similar to Daniel’s prophecy), they did not presuppose supranational regulation. Nevertheless, students of prophecy frequently cite their recommendation as predictive of coming events.

Coincidentally, the same year Mesarovic and Pestel published their research, United Nations Resolution 3201 urgently proclaimed “A New International Economic Order.†The preceding year ushered the Trilateral Commission. Co–founded by David Rockefeller, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and other private citizens from North America, West Europe, and Japan, the Commission encourages teamwork among the world’s three principal financial centers and eventual globalization.

Does the market economy proposed by Mesarovic and Pestel anticipate Daniel’s geopolitical model? Is there a connection between the Trilateral linkage and Daniel’s three kings? Does the linkage facilitate regional subordination to global governance in expectation of formal unification? Someday, our world will be parceled into ten administrations according to Daniel’s projection. The institution of a formal global economy may yet be seen.
[attachment=0:3jolrvpj]Proposed Global Market Regions.jpg[/attachment:3jolrvpj]
 
Seems yall are forgetting the other horn.You know the one that settles in the pleasant land.

Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Seems yall are forgetting the other horn.You know the one that settles in the pleasant land.

Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.

Thanks Shilohsfoal,

Are you saying the "little horn" of Daniel's eighth chapter symbolizes the modern State of Israel?
 
The horns in Daniel 8 are kings and kingdoms. The horn on the goat that eventually comes from the four is a KING, not a nation. This is stated in verse 23.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
veteran said:
Apostle John made a distinction between "antichrist" and the "many antichrists". One is singular, and the other is plural, if you'll notice. The "vile person" of Dan.11 is about 'the antichrist', not "many antichrists".

So you don't believe there's anything happenning today called "a one world government" engulfing all nations?

No there is no such thing as a one world goverment other than that of Christ.All nations shall serve and obey him.

I asked you what the antichrist would proclaim because I want you to understand that the antichrist is already in the promised land.What you call the vile man is the king of the north and as you know,he will send an army to Israel in Daniel 11;31.

The "vile person", or 'the' Antichrist, isn't here yet, not in the holy land yet. There is a plan for one world government, which I'm surprised you don't know about that working, since it's easy to see today.

Shilohsfoal said:
The little horn this host is given to is already there when this army arrives.In fact the little horn is there today.He is diverse from the other ten horns as it is written.His look is more stouter than his fellows as it is written.He dwells in the land that shall be given to the saints as it is written.He subdued three of the other horns as it is written.You have seen and heard him.He subdued Egypt,Syria and Jordan in 6 days.He claims the messiah has not come.

The idea of the antichrist as a 'nation' completely leaves the Biblical context of Daniel and Revelation when speaking of the "vile person" and the "dragon". The antichrist is going to be a certain entity, not a whole people. It's about a false messiah, which is what "false Christs" our Lord said in Matt.24 translates to (exactly as 'a pseudo Christ').

So I'm can't pay attention to those who think the antichrist is going to be a nation or a people, or anything other than what God's Word shows, which is an entity, the "dragon" even.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
Seems yall are forgetting the other horn.You know the one that settles in the pleasant land.

Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.

I included that in my original post brother:

"That would mean 7 kings are lower level kings, and 3 kings are higher level kings, with the antichrist on top."

That means the antichrist as head over it all.
 
Thanks David505,

I understand the idea of the ten kings of Daniel and Revelation 13, but the antichrist subduing three of the ten kings means what fate for the other 7? Then this Scripture comes to mind...

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(KJV)

We know that's about Satan when he first rebelled, because that's when he drew a third of the angels (stars) into rebellion along with him. Note that involved a beast system back then also, one that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns.

In both Daniel 7 and Revelation 13, the ten horns (mountains or powers) goes along with the idea of ten crowns (ten kings). But in that time of old, this shows there were only 7 crowns, or 7 kings.

(I know some might have a hard time seeing this applied to the time of Satan's first rebellion against God. But what it's pointing to is a similar type of 'beast' system like Rev.13:1 and Daniel 7. Ezekiel 31 has a parable where God is comparing the historical king of Assyria and his rule to Satan's original high cedar status in God's Eden.)

That's one of the reasons why I'm seeing the idea of the antichrist subduing three of the ten kings per Dan.7:24. That would leave 7 kings like the pattern of Rev.12:3. And since Rev.17:12-13 shows all ten kings will rule "one hour" with the beast king, and give their power to him, that suggests the subdued three kings still exist under antichrist. I mean it's common to think the subdued three kings will no longer exist and are absorbed by the dragon. So a structure of ten total, with 7 being lesser kings would suggest a king for each continent, and then the whole earth under 3 higher kings (Tri-lateralism link), and then antichrist over all of it.
 
veteran said:
Shilohsfoal said:
veteran said:
Apostle John made a distinction between "antichrist" and the "many antichrists". One is singular, and the other is plural, if you'll notice. The "vile person" of Dan.11 is about 'the antichrist', not "many antichrists".

So you don't believe there's anything happenning today called "a one world government" engulfing all nations?

No there is no such thing as a one world goverment other than that of Christ.All nations shall serve and obey him.

I asked you what the antichrist would proclaim because I want you to understand that the antichrist is already in the promised land.What you call the vile man is the king of the north and as you know,he will send an army to Israel in Daniel 11;31.

The "vile person", or 'the' Antichrist, isn't here yet, not in the holy land yet. There is a plan for one world government, which I'm surprised you don't know about that working, since it's easy to see today.

Shilohsfoal said:
The little horn this host is given to is already there when this army arrives.In fact the little horn is there today.He is diverse from the other ten horns as it is written.His look is more stouter than his fellows as it is written.He dwells in the land that shall be given to the saints as it is written.He subdued three of the other horns as it is written.You have seen and heard him.He subdued Egypt,Syria and Jordan in 6 days.He claims the messiah has not come.

The idea of the antichrist as a 'nation' completely leaves the Biblical context of Daniel and Revelation when speaking of the "vile person" and the "dragon". The antichrist is going to be a certain entity, not a whole people. It's about a false messiah, which is what "false Christs" our Lord said in Matt.24 translates to (exactly as 'a pseudo Christ').

So I'm can't pay attention to those who think the antichrist is going to be a nation or a people, or anything other than what God's Word shows, which is an entity, the "dragon" even.

I didnt say the vile person was in the promised land.I said the little horn is.
Its like saying there is one beast there,but the other hasnt arrived yet.
Do you understand?
 
David505 said:
Shilohsfoal said:
Seems yall are forgetting the other horn.You know the one that settles in the pleasant land.

Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exceedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.

Thanks Shilohsfoal,

Are you saying the "little horn" of Daniel's eighth chapter symbolizes the modern State of Israel?

That it is.
 
That's what I can't accept, that the little horn of Daniel is the nation state of Israel.

Dan 8:9-12
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
(KJV)

It's the "vile person" of Dan.11 that causes the removal of the daily sacrifice to set up the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 7:8
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
(KJV)

There's 11 horns total. The first ten are the ten horns, the same ten horns of Rev.13:1. When they begin to be established, "another little horn" arises and takes over three of the ten. That's the beast king of Rev.17:9-11, for there are 11 kings being mentioned in Rev.17 also.

Those ten horns have not yet appeared on earth today, but I believe their setting up is close. One should also notice that today's nation state of Israel has no king ruling over it on earth.
 
veteran said:
That's what I can't accept, that the little horn of Daniel is the nation state of Israel.

Dan 8:9-12
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
(KJV)

It's the "vile person" of Dan.11 that causes the removal of the daily sacrifice to set up the abomination that maketh desolate.

Dan 7:8
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
(KJV)

There's 11 horns total. The first ten are the ten horns, the same ten horns of Rev.13:1. When they begin to be established, "another little horn" arises and takes over three of the ten. That's the beast king of Rev.17:9-11, for there are 11 kings being mentioned in Rev.17 also.

Those ten horns have not yet appeared on earth today, but I believe their setting up is close. One should also notice that today's nation state of Israel has no king ruling over it on earth.
The ten horns have risen.The little horn didnt destroy the three horns.IYou quoted that the little horn would turn to the pleasant land.Why cant you believe it is in the pleasant land then?
The ten horns were seen upon the seven heads.The seven heads are the seven hills of Jerusalem.In 1967 that little horn subdued three of those horns and kicked them out.The 6 day war.

It is not the vile person that takes away the daily sacrifice.
Arms stand on his part in Daniel11;31.
These arms is the host that is given to the little horn in
Daniel 8;12
And a host was given him against the daily sacrice by reason of transgression,and it cast down the truth to the ground;and it practiced,and prosperd.
 
Five kings from the west.
Daniel 8;8
Macedinia,Roman,Byzantine,Ottoman and Great Britian
Therefore the he goat waxed great; and when he was strong,the great horn was broken;and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven

Out of Great Britian came the country that calls itself Israel.
Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,which waxed exeedingly great,toward the south,and toward the east,and toward the pleasant land.

Veteran
You need to watch the end of this video.From 1920 to present.
Watch as Nebuchadnezzar's kingdom is devided.
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html
Daniel 2;41
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,part of poters clay,and part of iron,the kingdom shall be devided;but there shall be in it of the stregth of the iron,forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

Are you going to find a more diverse little horn in the pleasant land than that one that is there now?That is ,diverse from the other ten.
Diverse=Daniel 7-8

Are you going to find a stouter looking little horn than the little horn that is there now?
more stout= Daniel 7;20


Are you going to find another little horn that shall settle in the pleasant land that has a history of killing prophets and saints?
 
veteran said:
Thanks David505,

I understand the idea of the ten kings of Daniel and Revelation 13, but the antichrist subduing three of the ten kings means what fate for the other 7? Then this Scripture comes to mind...

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(KJV)

Thanks Veteran,

I think the four individual beasts of Daniel’s seventh chapter (lion, bear, leopard, and diverse beast) rise in the form of John’s composite beast (chapters 12, 13, and 17) to symbolize modern civilizations: Lion = Mid-East Islamic alliance; Bear = North American and West European Atlantic states; Leopard (four heads) = East Asian alliance; Diverse Beast = Russian Federation. Add up the heads = seven-headed beast. Ten crowned horns symbolize ten global economic administrations (à la Mesarovic’s and Pestel’s regions) in correspondence to the ten toes of Daniel’s Terrible Image (chapter 2). Trilateralism subordinates regions 1, 2, and 3 in expectation of formal unification. I wrote an ebook about this called The Symmetry Solution. You can preview an excerpt at my site:

http://www.thesymmetrysolution.com
 
All four beasts are of the same geographic region.

Beasts of the east.
Babylon
Daniel 7;4
The first was like a lion,and had eagle's wings;I beheld till the wings therof were plucked,and it was lifted up from the earth,and made to stand upon the feet as a man,and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7;5
Persia
And behold another beast,a second,like to a bear,and it raised up itself on one side,and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it;and they said thus unto it,Arise,devour much flesh.
Sassanid,Caliphate,Seljuk and Salidin
Daniel 7;6
After this I beheld,and lo another,like a leopard,which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;the beast had also four heads;and dominion was given to it.
Daniel 7;7
Independent muslim states.
After this I saw in the night visions,and behold a forth beast,dreadful and terrible and strong exeedingly;and it had great iron teeth;it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it;and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
All four beasts are of the same geographic region.

Beasts of the east.
Babylon
Daniel 7;4
The first was like a lion,and had eagle's wings;I beheld till the wings therof were plucked,and it was lifted up from the earth,and made to stand upon the feet as a man,and a man's heart was given to it.
Daniel 7;5
Persia
And behold another beast,a second,like to a bear,and it raised up itself on one side,and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it;and they said thus unto it,Arise,devour much flesh.
Sassanid,Caliphate,Seljuk and Salidin
Daniel 7;6
After this I beheld,and lo another,like a leopard,which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;the beast had also four heads;and dominion was given to it.
Daniel 7;7
Independent muslim states.
After this I saw in the night visions,and behold a forth beast,dreadful and terrible and strong exeedingly;and it had great iron teeth;it devoured and brake in pieces,and stamped the residue with the feet of it;and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;and it had ten horns.

Thanks Shilohsfoal,

Your response is a modification of the traditional interpretation of Daniel’s seventh chapter.

Daniel’s Terrible Image (chapter two) is the key to understanding the geopolitics of the Fourth Kingdom, which is divided by a time separation into historical and future aspects. The legs of the image symbolize ancient Rome as the historical aspect. One leg stood for the West Roman (European) Empire. The other leg stood for the East Roman (Byzantine) Empire. The feet of the image symbolize the western and eastern divisions of the Fourth Kingdom’s future aspect. One foot stands for the modern Atlantic powers (North America and West Europe). The other foot stands for Russia, which descended from eastern Byzantium.

As the highly respected historian, Carroll Quigley, sums up:

Both of these civilizations are descended from Classical Civilization, but the connection with this predecessor was made so differently that two quite different traditions came into existence. Russian traditions were derived from Byzantium directly; Western traditions were derived from the more moderate Classical Civilization indirectly.*

Although a great many uninformed prophecy buffs attempt to legitimize the claim of the Islamic conqueror, Mehmet II, as the custodian of the Third Rome, this alleged interpretation is historically inaccurate (to which, any middle school history teacher will attest), spurious to the prophetic cycle, and only serves to demonize our Arabic brothers and sisters through guilt by association.

*Quigley, Carroll. Tragedy and Hope. Macmillan. New York. 1966. Page 81.
 
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