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The absence of the Trinity in early manuscripts of 1 John 5:7

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I think here is a model that explains the Trinity rather nicely.

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Oops! Didn’t know it was that big. But it clearly shows that the Trinity is one Being, yet three Persons. The Father is not Jesus or the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father or Jesus. Yet all three are God. Not 1/3 God, not three Gods, one God.
 
Randy said:
I have never quoted Arius nor do I believe the HS is a created being. I believe as Paul wrote.
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If Jesus is not God(said nary a word about the Holy Spirit my friend) then He is a created being. That’s what your stance is leading you to believe, whether you’re aware of it or not.

Arius took the same stance you’re taking, both saying Jesus is not God.
 
SovereignGrace said:
Yes Jesus is God. As to your statement that God never dies. That’s correct. Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. It was the Son of man who died upon the cross. That’s why one needs to truly grasp the Hypostatic Union of Christ.

Now, begotten of the Father is not the same as giving birth. As Genesis 5:4 says And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: The Christ was not created, or birthed, by the Father, but proceeded from the Father. Yet, He has always been with the Father, as they are co-equal, co-eternal.

If Jesus is not God, then He is a created being, as only God is eternal.
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Jesus lives by the fullness of deity that was pleased to dwell in Him. He never dies. Just as we live by Jesus and never die.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
 
Randy said:
Jesus lives by the fullness of deity that was pleased to dwell in Him. He never dies. Just as we live by Jesus and never die.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.
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But you’re stance avers Jesus is not God, and because He is not God, He is a created being. Are you willing to accept this ideology?
 
SovereignGrace said:
But you’re stance avers Jesus is not God, and because He is not God, He is a created being. Are you willing to accept this ideology?
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My stance is I follow Jesus and He, as I stated, is all that the Father is. Not because He always was and always was God because it pleased the Father that in His firstborn all HIS fullness should dwell.

The fullness was not created but gifted.
 
Randy said:
My stance is I follow Jesus and He, as I stated, is all that the Father is. Not because He always was and always was God because it pleased the Father that in His firstborn all HIS fullness should dwell.

The fullness was not created but gifted.
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And your stance avers He is not eternal. If He is not eternal, He is not God, but an created being.
 
SovereignGrace said:
And your stance avers He is not eternal. If He is not eternal, He is not God, but an created being.
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Sigh..
Jesus has no end. He lives by the living Father in Him.

I detect nothing sovereign nor grace nor a seeking of understanding between the relationship between, Father, Son , Holy Spirit in your line of questions. Just judgment and entrapment.

I believe the Father is the only true God and the God and Father of Christ Jesus.
I gave you my source. -The head of the body of Christ. Your problem is with Him not me.

One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ is my stance.

...and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
 
Randy said:
Sigh..
Jesus has no end. He lives by the living Father in Him.

I detect nothing sovereign nor grace nor a seeking of understanding between the relationship between, Father, Son , Holy Spirit in your line of questions. Just judgment and entrapment.

I believe the Father is the only true God and the God and Father of Christ Jesus.
I gave you my source. -The head of the body of Christ. Your problem is with Him not me.

One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ is my stance.

...and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
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That’s not my point. God is the only one who is eternal, meaning He has no beginning or ending. All who are not God are created, as they have a beginning. If Jesus is not God, He is a created being, as He has a beginning, when God created Him. So, if Jesus is not God, He has a beginning and is a created being.
 
SovereignGrace said:
That’s not my point. God is the only one who is eternal, meaning He has no beginning or ending. All who are not God are created, as they have a beginning. If Jesus is not God, He is a created being, as He has a beginning, when God created Him. So, if Jesus is not God, He has a beginning and is a created being.
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But Jesus is and can be the "image of the invisible God" and He has no end and all the fullness of the deity dwells in Him. Jesus is the wisdom and power of the Father.
 
The trinity exist throughout the entire bible. The son not so much but there are references to him in various texts in the bible. The holy spirit and the father were dominating scripture, but the focus they bring in prophecy in other ways is to The Son.
 
Prycejosh1987 said:
The trinity exist throughout the entire bible. The son not so much but there are references to him in various texts in the bible. The holy spirit and the father were dominating scripture, but the focus they bring in prophecy in other ways is to The Son.
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What one should see is that it is the Father who glorifies Jesus.
 
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